The Noah Myth

[Vanguard PCD]

For a very long time a similar argument was raised about the Grand Canyon and how many thousands of years it must have taken for the water to dig that Canyon... then came Mount Saint Helens and then a matter of days a deep Canyon was dug through solid rock.

There is a big difference between a localized volcanic explosion and something that is 227 miles long, up to 18 miles wide and a mile deep. In other words, the same distance as driving from New York City to Philadelphia 3x.

Water erosion over long periods of time is scientific fact, as it is monitored even to this day.

 

[rick357]

There is a big difference between a localized volcanic explosion and something that is 227 miles long, up to 18 miles wide and a mile deep. In other words, the same distance as driving from New York City to Philadelphia 3x.

Water erosion over long periods of time is scientific fact, as it is monitored even to this day.

And I would not argue that it wasnt nor would I argue about what can be clearly seen about continental drift. my point is the cataclysmic events cause cataclysmic results that are outside the normal process. so instead of trying to figure how with our current observations such a thing could be possible instead we should look at what type of global cataclysmic event would be necessary to cause these reactions. if the flood is true and would have started the day began to rain... no they would have been a massive super storm it would have covered a large portion of the globe itself seismic activity in ocean beds in mountain ranges perhaps something passing us in space that have enough gravity to affect our rotation and revolution solar activity a change in the electromagnetic force that surrounds the earth how many things would it take to cause such an event and as to the water receding perhaps it was not only receading but the land itself was rising. there was a time scientists were convinced the maggots spontaneously generated from meat. so uor scientific precepts may be something we can depend on we can never depend on our understanding to a thought of every possibility

 

[Vanguard PCD]

And I would not argue that it wasnt nor would I argue about what can be clearly seen about continental drift. my point is the cataclysmic events cause cataclysmic results that are outside the normal process. so instead of trying to figure how with our current observations such a thing could be possible instead we should look at what type of global cataclysmic event would be necessary to cause these reactions. if the flood is true and would have started the day began to rain... no they would have been a massive super storm it would have covered a large portion of the globe itself seismic activity in ocean beds in mountain ranges perhaps something passing us in space that have enough gravity to affect our rotation and revolution solar activity a change in the electromagnetic force that surrounds the earth how many things would it take to cause such an event and as to the water receding perhaps it was not only receading but the land itself was rising. there was a time scientists were convinced the maggots spontaneously generated from meat. so uor scientific precepts may be something we can depend on we can never depend on our understanding to a thought of every possibility

Not to be the grammar police, but my eyes started bleeding halfway down. A comma here and there, along with a capital letter or two, would make that far easier to read.

 

[rick357]

Not to be the grammar police, but my eyes started bleeding halfway down. A comma here and there, along with a capital letter or two, would make that far easier to read.

Thank you for the close attention

 

[Vanguard PCD]

It is my opinion that Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls. Those scrolls became the Bible, and we are told to accept them as truth and fact. At the same time, we regard Greek and Roman folklore/mythology as fictional stories. This is not to say the Bible is false in its entirety, but that certain sections of it may be intended as a moral lesson, and not absolute truth.

 

[Der Alte]

It is my opinion that Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls. Those scrolls became the Bible, and we are told to accept them as truth and fact. At the same time, we regard Greek and Roman folklore/mythology as fictional stories. This is not to say the Bible is false in its entirety, but that certain sections of it may be intended as a moral lesson, and not absolute truth.

Who is going to tell us which parts of the Bible are true and which parts are "Hebrew folklore/mythology" you? There are folks here already dismissing a lot of the Bible as SPAM-Fig, i.e. symbolic, poetic/parabolic, allegory, metaphor and figurative.

 

[rick357]

It is my opinion that Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls. Those scrolls became the Bible, and we are told to accept them as truth and fact. At the same time, we regard Greek and Roman folklore/mythology as fictional stories. This is not to say the Bible is false in its entirety, but that certain sections of it may be intended as a moral lesson, and not absolute truth.

There is a great deal of Hebrew folklore but it is not found in scripture...also as to the other "mythology" of every nation while not fact they are based on actual events

 

[Vanguard PCD]

Who is going to tell us which parts of the Bible are true and which parts are "Hebrew folklore/mythology" you?

Nope.

Truth is in the eye of the beholder. What you choose to believe is between you and God.

 

[Der Alte]

Nope.

Truth is in the eye of the beholder. What you choose to believe is between you and God.

Nice copout. That is why we have a whole alphabet of unorthodox groups out there, LDS, JW, OP, UPCI, SDA, UU, INC, COGIC, WWCG, CS, etc.

 

[Vanguard PCD]

Nice copout. That is why we have a whole alphabet of unorthodox groups out there, LDS, JW, OP, UPCI, SDA, UU, INC, COGIC, WWCG, CS, etc.

Copout? Your relationship with God is a personal one. You make the free will choice to believe what you want. You will stand alone on judgement day.

By the same token, we have an extensive list of orthodox groups as well: Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Anglican, Episcopal, Adventists, Holiness, Pentacostal...

So what is your point, other than to try and pick a fight?

 

[Der Alte]

Copout? Your relationship with God is a personal one. You make the free will choice to believe what you want. You will stand alone on judgement day.

By the same token, we have an extensive list of orthodox groups as well: Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Anglican, Episcopal, Adventists, Holiness, Pentacostal...

So what is your point, other than to try and pick a fight?

Not tryng to pick a fight. Just trying to get you to back up this assertion "It is my opinion that Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls."

 

[rick357]

Not tryng to pick a fight. Just trying to get you to back up this assertion "It is my opinion that Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls."

That would be the problem with opinion...IMO fried chicken should only be served with mashed potatoes....it works for me but can not be verified as truth.....so any debate is only "your wrong Im right

 

[single eye]

Any god that would claim Lot to be a righteous man, or claim that it is necessary to kill innocent babies and animals with a flood, does not deserve to be taken seriously.

 

[rick357]

Any god that would claim Lot to be a righteous man, or claim that it is necessary to kill innocent babies and animals with a flood, does not deserve to be taken seriously.

See the post above

If one wishes to judge Gods actions then they must first hear and understand his testimony.

There are times a plant becomes so infected that the only way to save it is to cut it to its root

Would it be more to your taste to allow the destruction of all mankind...what of the women and babies killed in Germany during world war II...should we have not invaded should we have not killed....and if we had not would hitler be satisfied with europe...would he be satisfied with killing the jew....

GOD always waits till there is no other choice but love requires action.

 

[RevelationTestament]

I do not know how literal the story is. God often used symbolism and allegory to teach heavenly principles. Hasn't anyone noticed that the ship was called an Ark? Could that be likened to the ark of the covenant or the ark of his word which carries its listeners through the trials of the world (the sea is the world)(40 day trial like Jesus was tried with), through to a new beginning or rebirth on the other side?

Who here insists that there was a literal green living tree in the garden of Eden called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or the tree of life for that matter? Isn't the tree of life revealed in the person of Jesus Christ?

 

[rick357]

I do not know how literal the story is. God often used symbolism and allegory to teach heavenly principles. Hasn't anyone noticed that the ship was called an Ark? Could that be likened to the ark of the covenant or the ark of his word which carries its listeners through the trials of the world (the sea is the world)(40 day trial like Jesus was tried with), through to a new beginning or rebirth on the other side?

Who here insists that there was a literal green living tree in the garden of Eden called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or the tree of life for that matter? Isn't the tree of life revealed in the person of Jesus Christ?

Yes all written word teaches living word...all given in picture to express a vast amount of information in few words...each and every book in bible could have a thousand page commentary and still not be exhausted of information....that said allogory is selected literal events that are used to show a great truth...we do not have bioghraphy accounts in the bible but selected events that reveal the things of God to men that will look.

 

[Der Alte]

That would be the problem with opinion...IMO fried chicken should only be served with mashed potatoes....it works for me but can not be verified as truth.....so any debate is only "your wrong Im right

Your analogy is not the same as your claim which I objected to, "It is my opinion that Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls." Of course I cannot prove anything about your likes/dislikes. But if one criticizes the Bible there should be some evidence that "Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls," if one makes that claim.

 

[rick357]

Your analogy is not the same as your claim which I objected to, "It is my opinion that Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls." Of course I cannot prove anything about your likes/dislikes. But if one criticizes the Bible there should be some evidence that "Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls," if one makes that claim.

And I was in agreement with you and still am
I didnt make that claim.

 

[Anto9us]

I said I was stayin outta this thread -- but I'm weak

I must admit I like ketchup on fried chicken -- but I do want mashed potatoes with it

I don't have my own copies of any of those early scrolls

 

[Vanguard PCD]

But if one criticizes the Bible there should be some evidence that "Hebrew folklore/mythology was included with the writing of those early scrolls," if one makes that claim.

As stated, it is my opinion. Opinions are formed for a variety of reasons. Some people blindly believe anything. Others are skeptical.

I don't have to explain myself to you, however, it is not far fetched to think that "campfire stories" that were told earlier on, found their way into Hebrew writings. Every ancient culture on the planet did it.

People were migratory and went where the food/water was. Sitting around the fire at night, someone asks a question, and an elder comes up with an answer (story) that tries to explain it. If told enough, it becomes "truth" to those people, even though it may be a total fabrication.

A classic example is the KJV's use of Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12, even though the entire chapter is about a fallen Babylonian king, and Judaism will even tell you that. However, many Christians think it is a name for the devil, because for 400 years it has been used as such, albeit erroneously.