The No true Scotsman Fallacy

[GoingByzantine]

Do you accept or deny that those books are part of the Bible?

If you deny that they are part of the Bible, then you believe that Catholic beliefs include non-Biblical beliefs.

If you believe that Catholic beliefs include non-Biblical beliefs, then you believe that Catholics are not Christians.

Can you show me where my reasoning is wrong?

I am not following your argument?

 

[A New Dawn]

Do you accept or deny that those books are part of the Bible?

If you deny that they are part of the Bible, then you believe that Catholic beliefs include non-Biblical beliefs.

If you believe that Catholic beliefs include non-Biblical beliefs, then you believe that Catholics are not Christians.

Can you show me where my reasoning is wrong?

It's a pretty big leap from believing that some religion has non-Biblical beliefs to believing that they are not Christian. Maybe that is the way your mind works, it's not how my mind works. So are you saying they are not Christian?

 

[morningstar2651]

It's a pretty big leap from believing that some religion has non-Biblical beliefs to believing that they are not Christian. Maybe that is the way your mind works, it's not how my mind works. So are you saying they are not Christian?

No. You have obviously not read my first post in this thread. If you can't be bothered to read my posts, I won't waste my time writing them for you.

I'm done discussing this. You guys can have fun determining who to exclude from your clubhouse. As far as I'm concerned - if the protestants say the Catholics aren't real Christians and vice versa, maybe NONE of you are real Christians. I have no stake in this discussion, and I'm not sure why you care so much about whether or not someone who believes in Jesus is a real Christian or a fake.

 

[A New Dawn]

No. You have obviously not read my first post in this thread. If you can't be bothered to read my posts, I won't waste my time writing them for you.

I'm done discussing this. You guys can have fun determining who to exclude from your clubhouse. As far as I'm concerned - if the protestants say the Catholics aren't real Christians and vice versa, maybe NONE of you are real Christians. I have no stake in this discussion, and I'm not sure why you care so much about whether or not someone who believes in Jesus is a real Christian or a fake.

I guess I can say the same thing too. If you can't be bothered to read my posts to see what I have already said on the subject, I guess the discussion is over. I'm not going to defend something I don't believe to be true.

 

[morningstar2651]

I don't know what that is.

Beginning a question with the word "So" increases the chance that the following statement is a strawman

 

[Architeuthus]

If I would boil Christianity down to its true fundamentals, it would be much more inclusive than the 5 fundamentals.

Fundamental Christian Beliefs:

1. The Lord is your God, the Lord alone.
   
2. Love your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.
   
3. Love your neighbor as yourself.
4. Love your friends and your enemies.
5. Lay down your life for those you love.

Really. That's it. No immaculate conception. No virgin birth. No original sin. No transubstantiation. No Heaven. No Hell. No total depravity. This is the core of Christianity. In spite of what the church would have you believe, Christianity is not about being saved by believing the right things - it's about self-sacrifice.

There is no grace; there is no guilt.
Love is the Law; Do what thou Wilt.

Well, you don't get to define what Christianity is; and what you're describing is not Christianity as outlined in the New Testament. In fact, your proposed five points don't even mention Christ!

 

[Architeuthus]

(duplicate post)

 

[Hammster]

Beginning a question with the word "So" increases the chance that the following statement is a strawman

Sorry, but that's just the way I talk. So you will have to try again.

 

[Hammster]

I've noticed that two people most supportive of the OP have disappeared once specific questions were asked. Playing to the crowd only goes so far.

 

[morningstar2651]

I've noticed that two people most supportive of the OP have disappeared once specific questions were asked. Playing to the crowd only goes so far.

Nah, we just recognize the pointlessness of defending people against a mob of accusers.

Attack your fellow Christians. Outcast them. Put them in their place - far away from you.

Which crowd do you play to?

 

[morningstar2651]

Well, you don't get to define what Christianity is; and what you're describing is not Christianity as outlined in the New Testament. In fact, your proposed five points don't even mention Christ!

Don't tell me I'm wrong - tell Jesus he's wrong. I was just quoting him. I figured that if anyone had the authority to define who his followers are, it would be him - not church fathers, not the church, and not any ecumenical council.

Luke 10
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

Mark 12
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

Matthew 22
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
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[Hetta]

I've noticed that two people most supportive of the OP have disappeared once specific questions were asked. Playing to the crowd only goes so far.

Thanks for the mischaracterization.

 

[Red Fox]

Thanks for the mischaracterization.

Yeah, some of us have a life outside of Christian Forums and we don't hang around here all day long.

 

[Red Fox]

Nah, we just recognize the pointlessness of defending people against a mob of accusers.

Attack your fellow Christians. Outcast them. Put them in their place - far away from you.

Which crowd do you play to?

QFT. I don't know about you, but these redundant arguments of theirs gets tiresome and boring after awhile.

 

[Hammster]

Thanks for the mischaracterization.

You refused to answer. No mischaracterization.

 

[Hammster]

QFT. I don't know about you, but these redundant arguments of theirs gets tiresome and boring after awhile.

I went back to the OP and asked for specifics. The fact that none are forthcoming is telling.

 

[Hammster]

Nah, we just recognize the pointlessness of defending people against a mob of accusers.

Attack your fellow Christians. Outcast them. Put them in their place - far away from you.

Which crowd do you play to?

What's to defend? I asked for specifics.

 

[Red Fox]

I went back to the OP and asked for specifics. The fact that none are forthcoming is telling.

I have no idea what you're talking about. And quite honestly, I'm finding it difficult to care anymore what you or anyone else who is in your religion thinks of me.

 

[Architeuthus]

Don't tell me I'm wrong - tell Jesus he's wrong. I was just quoting him. I figured that if anyone had the authority to define who his followers are, it would be him - not church fathers, not the church, and not any ecumenical council.

Luke 10
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

Mark 12
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

Matthew 22
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
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[Hammster]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

If you're trying to start an argument with me, asking me senseless questions or trying to bait me, then you can forget it and not waste your time. FYI, I don't talk about or answer questions about my personal spiritual beliefs, because they just that personal, and they are no business to a stranger, least of all to one online, especially when the stranger claims to be Christian and whose only desire is to ridicule, judge or criticize me for my spiritual beliefs.

I had no intention of criticizing your beliefs. I was just wanting some context for your accusations in the OP. They are vague. I was curious as to what was said and what types of churches they are.