The No true Scotsman Fallacy

[MoreCoffee]

Uh, you realize Jesus didn't speak Greek?

I realise that Jesus ' words are recorded in Greek. He may well have spoken Greek as well as Aramaic. I don't quite see the relevance of your post's statement. Are you intending to imply that Jesus could not have used a masculine pronoun for "Spirit" in Aramaic or that "Spirit" is not feminine in Aramaic?

 

[Hetta]

Who mentioned Catholics having a personal agenda?

Didn't you read the post to which you responded?

 

[seekingsolace]

But that's you speaking as a Calvanist. Which is an entirely different way to all the other non-Calvanists believe. So, in your faith beliefs, God only chooses a select few, and people cannot themselves choose to follow Christ. I'm sure that, to your way of thinking, I am not a Christian. But you don't have to answer that because I know it's against the rules to say so and I'm not trying to goad you into breaking rules.

Why would a Calvinist assume you were a non-Christian?

 

[seekingsolace]

Didn't you read the post to which you responded?

I did, have you?

 

[Hetta]

Why would a Calvinist assume you were a non-Christian?

I suggest you do some research on what Calvinists believe although I did refer to it in my post. Perhaps I need to post it twice, and then someone else needs to repeat what I posted.

 

[Red Fox]

I think you're intending to annoy people at this point so I think I'll just ignore any further posts. However, you should know that there is no individual, "personal" agenda within an institution as massive as the Catholic church. I have met Catholics who are liberal, and Catholics who were utterly conservative. Some get along with Protestants and love them as brothers and sisters, others believe that all Protestants are utterly misguided and outcast from heaven. It is the same way with Protestants and their attitude towards Catholics. However, as you know, what Catholics and Protestants believe is very different in many respects. I don't read that as "personal agenda". But at this point, I believe this is off topic to the OP. And I don't see the point in continuing to have this debate. You are of course welcome to pursue it!

I had to read the ignored content, so I can figure out who you were talking to. LOL. And I agree with you. Well said.

 

[seekingsolace]

I suggest you do some research on what Calvinists believe.

I know what they believe. Your assumption of an individual is unfounded.

 

[Hetta]

I had to read the ignored content, so I can figure out who you were talking to. LOL. And I agree with you. Well said.

Yeah, I think it's time to get back on track for your thread!

 

[A New Dawn]

What I see is that you were the only one bringing up teachings outside of scripture.

I just said I brought it up. It was part of my response. YOU tried to change it to fit what you wanted to discuss, which did not agree with what I said. I merely brought it back to what I said. You can't change what I meant just by suggesting I was saying something different.

 

[Hetta]

I know what they believe. Your assumption of an individual is unfounded.

So you were fishing for me to break the rules. I'm done.

 

[Hetta]

I just said I brought it up. It was part of my response. YOU tried to change it to fit what you wanted to discuss, which did not agree with what I said. I merely brought it back to what I said. You can't change what I meant just by suggesting I was saying something different.

I'm not arguing. It's not worth my time. I see it my way, you see it your way - and this is exactly what happens between denominations and in the interpretation of scripture (that is strictly what is in the Bible). Human experience, beliefs, personal feelings, opinions .. these all interfere with communication.

 

[Red Fox]

I'm done.

The one thing I really like about this site is the Ignore option. It saves me from a lot of stress.

 

[A New Dawn]

But that's you speaking as a Calvanist. Which is an entirely different way to all the other non-Calvanists believe. So, in your faith beliefs, God only chooses a select few, and people cannot themselves choose to follow Christ. I'm sure that, to your way of thinking, I am not a Christian. But you don't have to answer that because I know it's against the rules to say so and I'm not trying to goad you into breaking rules.

LOL. I don't make judgments. I don't believe just Calvinists are Christian. I don't know whom God has chosen and whom He hasn't, so if you self-identify as Christian, I will take you at your word. I might disagree with some of your beliefs, but I won't say you aren't a Christian if you self-identify as one.

 

[Red Fox]

Yeah, I think it's time to get back on track for your thread!

Thank you.

 

[Hetta]

LOL. I don't make judgments. I don't believe just Calvinists are Christian. I don't know whom God has chosen and whom He hasn't, so if you self-identify as Christian, I will take you at your word. I might disagree with some of your beliefs, but I won't say you aren't a Christian if you self-identify as one.

Okay. Well, that's good to know.

 

[Hetta]

And yes, CalvInists. Duh. I wondered why it looked wrong.

 

[Red Fox]

I realise that Jesus ' words are recorded in Greek. He may well have spoken Greek as well as Aramaic. I don't quite see the relevance of your post's statement. Are you intending to imply that Jesus could not have used a masculine pronoun for "Spirit" in Aramaic or that "Spirit" is not feminine in Aramaic?

Can we please get back to the original topic? Thank you.

 

[A New Dawn]

So are you suggesting that some churches/denoms are pretending to be Christian?

I think we discussed this in another thread, but I believe that the LDS church has changed it's language to make it appear more mainstream so that it can attract those who would not consider joining a church that had such divergent beliefs from mainstream Christianity.

 

[smaneck]

ISIS is Islam. ISIS devoutly follows Mohammed, who started jihadding mere years after founding Islam. Read the history of Islam and see who follows him more closely. I'm glad that moderate Muslims have emerged over time, but Islam was, and still is, in places, a hateful barbaric religion. One can only hope that the moderate Muslims learn to stand up for what they believe and demonstrate the peacefulness that Islam is now claiming to possess.

If ISIS is Islam then the Lord's Resistance Army is Christianity.

I have a PhD in the history of Islam. I teach courses on it! How many years have you studied it? How many books have you read on it? (books by Christian apologists don't count) How many times have you read the Qur'an? Muhammad authorized jihads after Muslims had fled from Mecca to Medina. That was twelve years after he first received his revelation. The reason he authorized jihad is because in Medina he had a community to protect. Jesus would have done the same. And Moses was in his position he did do the same.

 

[smaneck]

I realise that Jesus ' words are recorded in Greek. He may well have spoken Greek as well as Aramaic. I don't quite see the relevance of your post's statement. Are you intending to imply that Jesus could not have used a masculine pronoun for "Spirit" in Aramaic or that "Spirit" is not feminine in Aramaic?

I'm suggesting it is impossible to know what gender he used.