The No true Scotsman Fallacy

[seekingsolace]

I will take that as a no.

Illumination.

 

[A New Dawn]

Are you arguing that all Christians are good people that would never kidnap, behead, stone, or defenestrate people?

Are you arguing that beheadings, stonings, and defenstration are fundamental parts of worship in Islam?

Thank you for affirming everything I stated about prejudice toward minority religions in my first post in this thread.

I am arguing several things. People on this forum demonstrate the hate that they believe Christians bear by pointing to one of the few instances that Christian extremists did something bad (but didn't kill anyone), and using that to suggest that all Christians everywhere are hateful, all the while defending the Muslims when there is a whole army of Musllims who are stoning and beheading and throwing people off buildings and otherwise killing them, and they/you defend that as if all they were doing is petting kittens. The bias you and others show against Christianity, which is relatively benign, compared to other religions, is mind-boggling.

 

[Niblo]

My mistake. What would be a more correct way to phrase it? Based upon what I know of Islam (be it through classes or casual reading), sharīʿah can be seen as the sail that leads the boat, rather than simply Islamic law, so perhaps I should have rephrased it.

No problem. Sharīah is Islamic law. It is drawn from the Qur'an and the aHadith, and covers every aspect of a Muslim's life. What to eat; what to wear; how to pray and when; family relationships; social relationships; and so on. There are different legal schools, and some variation between them on certain matters. Sharīah is an important aspect of Islam, but it not the power that drives the boat. That belongs to I'hsan....to worship the Exalted as though you were seeing Him. Remembrance of Him; prayer; acts of devotion and of love for His sake alone. Without I'hsan the sharīah is nothing but dry bones.

I hope this helps. Have a great day.

Oh......and the best way to phrase your earlier post would be the way I phrased my reply

 

[A New Dawn]

Apparently that is not the way the mods saw it. They weren't going to wait that long.

I am not sure if you are referring to a specific instance here, or if you are referring to the fact that the LDS and JW were shipped out to this forum. But, supposing it was the latter, and it is a position I do not support to this extreme, this site is dedicated mainly to those who are mainstream Christian, those who accept the tenets of the Nicene Creed. One who does not accept all the tenets of the Nicene Creed are considered unorthodox. That includes other people besides the LDS and the JW. They are not allowed to post in any of the Christian forums if they choose an unorthodox icon and/or if they are posting unorthodox doctrine. That is the way this site has always worked. I agree that the LDS and JW fall into the unorthodox category, I do not believe they should have been shipped out of Unorthodox Theology. I am probably pretty close to alone in that belief. I, myself, do not call them non-Christian. I do believe that they teach enough of the true doctrine that they can be saved, but that the uniquely LDS teachings tend to cloud those true teachings making it harder to hear those true teachings and come to belief.

 

[bhsmte]

I am not sure if you are referring to a specific instance here, or if you are referring to the fact that the LDS and JW were shipped out to this forum. But, supposing it was the latter, and it is a position I do not support to this extreme, this site is dedicated mainly to those who are mainstream Christian, those who accept the tenets of the Nicene Creed. One who does not accept all the tenets of the Nicene Creed are considered unorthodox. That includes other people besides the LDS and the JW. They are not allowed to post in any of the Christian forums if they choose an unorthodox icon and/or if they are posting unorthodox doctrine. That is the way this site has always worked. I agree that the LDS and JW fall into the unorthodox category, I do not believe they should have been shipped out of Unorthodox Theology. I am probably pretty close to alone in that belief. I, myself, do not call them non-Christian. I do believe that they teach enough of the true doctrine that they can be saved, but that the uniquely LDS teachings tend to cloud those true teachings making it harder to hear those true teachings and come to belief.

What is it, do you think prevents these other groups of people, from not accepting all the same tenets, that you do?

 

[Niblo]

That's the same as Jews view the Torah. If a Jew is starving and the only food available to them is a ham sandwich, they would be required by Jewish law to eat that sandwich in order to live.

Thank you. All this talk about grub is making me hungry.......and I've a moggie on my lap

 

[A New Dawn]

What is it, do you think prevents these other groups of people, from not accepting all the same tenets, that you do?

I believe it is a matter of not having ears to hear.

 

[bhsmte]

I believe it is a matter of not having ears to hear.

Well, they have a belief, so they must hear something. It just happens to be a different hearing than some.

The Nicene creed was developed by fallible men and it has even been changed over the years and was originated long after Jesus death (about 200 years). I can see how it is possible people can come to differing conclusions, considering the creed was made by man and has been changed by man.

 

[smaneck]

I am arguing several things. People on this forum demonstrate the hate that they believe Christians bear by pointing to one of the few instances that Christian extremists did something bad (but didn't kill anyone), and using that to suggest that all Christians everywhere are hateful

Sorry, you are projecting. This is the attitude you were taking towards Muslims and why the issue of Christians doing the same thing was brought up in the first place.

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all the while defending the Muslims when there is a whole army of Musllims who are stoning and beheading and throwing people off buildings and otherwise killing them, and they/you defend that as if all they were doing is petting kittens.

And who exactly defended ISIS. No one here. I merely refuted your trying to blame Islam for the actions of ISIS.

The bias you and others show against Christianity, which is relatively benign, compared to other religions, is mind-boggling.

My point is that religious bigotry is never benign. Read my signature line.

 

[smaneck]

That's the same as Jews view the Torah. If a Jew is starving and the only food available to them is a ham sandwich, they would be required by Jewish law to eat that sandwich in order to live.

I once asked a Jew whether there were any Orthodox Jews who felt the same way about blood transfusions as Jehovah Witnesses since the taboo against blood is based on the Tanakh. I was told 'no' because of the Jewish believe that the preservation of human life takes precedence over any other law in the Torah.

 

[smaneck]

Well, they have a belief, so they must hear something. It just happens to be a different hearing than some.

The Nicene creed was developed by fallible men and it has even been changed over the years and was originated long after Jesus death (about 200 years). I can see how it is possible people can come to differing conclusions, considering the creed was made by man and has been changed by man.

Actually more like 300 years.

 

[bhsmte]

Actually more like 300 years.

Right, about 325.

 

[smaneck]

Thank you for quoting Wikipedia as a reliable source.

Just the most easily available one on the internet. It is not like I didn't know this before reading wiki. In any case, the wiki article has good footnotes. One can always refer to those sources.

 

[smaneck]

Right, about 325.

Well no, because Jesus likely died in 33 A.D.

Please don't report me for that emoticon.

 

[bhsmte]

Well no, because Jesus likely died in 33 A.D.

Please don't report me for that emoticon.

I meant the men that decided on the creed, did so around 325.

 

[Hetta]

You're right. Some people declare to be Christian when they aren't, trying to convince themselves and the world they are something they aren't.

Why would anyone do that? What is the purpose in a person convincing others that they are Christians? What kind of brownie points does that get for anyone? I could imagine better that someone would deny being a Christian than pretend that they were a Christian.

 

[Hetta]

If something isn't in the Bible, it isn't in the Bible, no matter who's interpretation you are using. There is a difference between interpreting a scriptural passage differently, and having a teaching based on nothing in the Bible.

Nobody said anything about what was not in the Bible. I specifically mentioned scripture and the different interpretations of same.

 

[Hetta]

Define to me 'Christian-seeker'.

I defined it for you hours ago, before I went out for the day. Please stop wasting people's time repeating questions that have already been answered. As I said, in the context of CF, it means a Christian who is seeking a church.

 

[seekingsolace]

I defined it for you hours ago, before I went out for the day. Please stop wasting people's time repeating questions that have already been answered. As I said, in the context of CF, it means a Christian who is seeking a church.

So is the name misleading? To me it sounds like a person looking to discover Christianity, not a Christian.

If you are considering leaving Christianity because of persons, does that make you an established Christian, or a seeker?

 

[bhsmte]

Why would anyone do that? What is the purpose in a person convincing others that they are Christians? What kind of brownie points does that get for anyone? I could imagine better that someone would deny being a Christian than pretend that they were a Christian.

IMO, politicians and especially national level politicians would fall into this category. In the United States, it is extremely difficult to get elected to a prominent office, if you are not a Christian. For that reason, I would imagine there are quite a few politicians who claim to be Christian, for political reasons and appeal.

For your everyday person, I would agree with you though.