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Yes...dead men walking. People are not stone cold dead before choosing to be saved or not. They talk, they think, they do stuff, and they have the power to choose.The dead don’t move.
The good kind.What Biblical teaching is that exactly?
That’s the point. We are all dead in our trespasses and sins. Dead as a door nail Dad. That is our natural fallen state.Easy. Same way the spiritually dead choose to reject Him.
Dad read Ephesians 2 and get back to me.Yes...dead men walking. People are not stone cold dead before choosing to be saved or not. They talk, they think, they do stuff, and they have the power to choose.
An expository from Scriptures is order to support your claims.The good kind.
If He did not just know in advance, but arranged it that way, so that we had no choice, then He dammed people to hell. That is monstrous, evil. He wills that all me be saved...and takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. He went to great great lengths to make it possible to make the right choice.
I know you don’t.I don't think so.
I know you don’t.
So let’s try this. Why would an atheist who does not believe God exists suddenly start believing?
Can you do that? Can you just start believing something you thought was a lie just because you want to?Because he/she changes his/her mind and decides they were wrong and in doing so chooses to start believing.
As what usually happens in these threads, once Calvinism is mentioned, or someone who is Reformed posts something that seems Reformed, the arguments against Reformed Theology come out, and are usually emotionally driven straw man arguments.
This gets us nowhere because the Calvinists aren't really given the opportunity to defend what we believe, but have to spend time correcting the incorrect argument.
So here's the challenge. Below you will find links to some various documents that those who hold to Reformed Theology will agree on, at least soteriologically. The challenge to to quote from one of them, and then state why you believe it is incorrect. This will hopefully lead to a reasoned discussion. Any argument that does not start this way will be considered off topic. You are, however, free to start your own thread on that matter.
Here are your links.
The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith (I would have used the Westminster Confession, but I'm Baptist)
Canons of Dordt
Heidelberg Catechism
Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin, Christian Classics Books, Bible Study
He went to great great lengths to make it possible to make the right choice.
Start your own thread.Why are we limited to the interpretations of these reformed organizations? The churches established by the apostles were not reformed. Can we get a an Orthodoxy option?
As mentioned earlier the OP would not expand for this. However, if you do make a thread on "calling" and "free will" or something like that I would be interested. Considering we have some of the 'ancient faith' who posted here railing against original sin and faith is a gift of God when it's in their catechism and church council of Orange but blaming Calvinists for some reason for the doctrines.Why are we limited to the interpretations of these reformed organizations? The churches established by the apostles were not reformed. Can we get a an Orthodoxy option?
Can you do that? Can you just start believing something you thought was a lie just because you want to?
So one day you just said, you know what? I I think I’ll stop believing.I did after walking away from my childhood Christian belief for many years.
So one day you just said, you know what? I I think I’ll stop believing.
I understand. It makes no sense and can’t be defended.Yes in my late teens, but I don’t intend to go into the details on this forum.
Spiritually dead does not mean cold and physically dead. Before we are born again (as Nicodemus) we still talk, and chose, and think etc. It seems that the majestic power of choice (at least to the degree of being able to choose Jesus) Is present even before we make the choice. That makes sense, after all, how could it be there only after we make a choice if we can't make the choice!?That’s the point. We are all dead in our trespasses and sins. Dead as a door nail Dad. That is our natural fallen state.
Only God can make us alive.
Do you have some Scriptures to refute the passages I offered earlier to you?
Of course He calls us and draws us. But we must heed. He doesn't lasso us into a coral. Some refuse to heed. Some heed.So it's all up to us?
All I need to do is make the right choice.
The Bible teaches me that not one is good and no one can come unless the father draws them.
I guess the question is does he draw all?
According to the Book of Romans I just don't think so.
Problem with man he thinks that would not be fair. And God may say to him, who are you little man?
Easy to be puffed up in ourselves if we think we did it all. I sure am smarter than my neighbor for he never chose God.
M-Bob
I know you don’t.
So let’s try this. Why would an atheist who does not believe God exists suddenly start believing?
Nice chapter, what about it? I see one place it talks about how He made us sit in heavenly places...you think you do that now?
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