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The No-Straw-Man Calvinism challenge.

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why do you say this is a strawman?

can you clarify?
A straw man falsely identifies an opponent's position and then "corrects" that position.

Saying that Reformed Theology teaches that God forces someone to do/think/decide something is a straw man because there's no teaching like that in Reformed Theology.
 
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I might make the above my new sig.
 
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Says who? I say translators can be quite inspired. That is part of the process of getting the word to man, after all. So why not have Him watch over it?
 
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It is important to understand how the original readers would have understood the scriptures. You can't look at the groom/bride relationship that's pictured in scripture and impose modern traditions onto it.
The bible was for me...now. Not just for them ...then. You do know that?
 
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The other issues would be concerned with how He gets the results He wants.

I would think, from all that's been posted about it in this site,
that
more concern would be when HE does not get the results HE wants......

i.e. when HE desires and makes provision for people, and they still turn Him down.
whether for salvation,
or perhaps even more common, for healing.
 
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How do you explain regeneration then. God does regeneration without free will
 
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God always gets what He wants. He's sovereign.
 
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How do you explain regeneration then. God does regeneration without free will
That's not making someone do something. That's ransoming a slave.
 
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It's the same thing. It's still being done to someone.

It all goes together.
I never said God doesn't act upon people. The context was the typical straw man along the lines of God making people do things. A variation of the puppet or robot trope.
 
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can you describe in reformed theology words what God predestines in regards to each individual human - their behavior - their heart - their decisions - their salvation?
 
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Go right ahead. It seems you are anyway.
If God knew billions of people would read the bible in this time, one suspects that He would have not just made it all for the understanding or limits of a generation 2000 years ago.
 
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This section might be helpful to at least start your questioning.
one foundational question from what i have read so far

is predestination the main tenet of calvinism?

is that what non-c's mainly oppose?

is this link basically the foundation for predestination?

God's sovereignty is the main tenet of Reformed Theology. The other issues would be concerned with how He gets the results He wants.

can you give me that link?

what are the other issues that follow sovereignty?

can you give me those links in order of importance?

The other issues would be spelled out in the links in the OP. Election, predestination, atonement, etc. are the issues in question.

I think the London Baptist one is the best out of the ones I linked to.


can you describe in reformed theology words what God predestines in regards to each individual human - their behavior - their heart - their decisions - their salvation?
He predestines that those He loves will be conformed to the image of His Son.
so if i start with understanding the calvinist theology on sovereignty, i can then progress to - election - predestination - atonement?

the first link you gave me - chpt 10 of effectual calling - what is that - election?

which chapter do i read for sovereignty?
 
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