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The No-Straw-Man Calvinism challenge.

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“Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM M E, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:22-23‬ ‭
 
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Who cares? Either it is right or not.
Yes, I care because it is wrong - and there's no use going through dozens of posts showing step by step that it's wrong,
while if you simply state who (if anyone) teaches it,
it has already been proven wrong,
without all the wasted time and posts.
 
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They did not chose Him, they were cons.
 
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Yes, I care because it is wrong -
Prove it.
and there's no use going through dozens of posts showing step by step that it's wrong,
while if you simply state who (if anyone) teaches it,
it has already been proven wrong,
without all the wasted time and posts.
No it hasn't. You can't. Period.
 
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Simply mouthing the words Lord Lord is not choosing Him. Wearing a tee shirt saying world champion boxer doesn't make you one either.
Right,
and likewise posting the stuff you posted did not ever make it right - it remains wrong. From the original one you learned it from, it is wrong.
 
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Right,
and likewise posting the stuff you posted did not ever make it right - it remains wrong. From the original one you learned it from, it is wrong.
Prove it. I am not mouthing words, I am talking wisdom.
 
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They certainly thought so. They were doing things in His name.
How would we know? Maybe they were trying to con Jesus too? 'Gee, weren't we men of the cloth, and respected...etc'?

God looks at the hearts. Their heart was not right. They never really chose Him.
 
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How would we know? Maybe they were trying to con Jesus too? 'Gee, weren't we men of the cloth, and respected...etc'?

God looks st the hearts. Their heart was not right.
If you say so.
 
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Why do so many of these discussions end up with insults. I don't know what I did to you personally that would lead to this.

How have i insulted you? I will admit to insulting Calvin, and I will admit to insulting certain people who refuse to open their minds beyond what they--or Calvin allow. There is NO way that any of that was a personal insult. However, if you felt that I insulted you, please forgive me.

Anyway, you are reading into the text something that isn't there. Whoever doesn't mean anyone. It just means whoever. And the text says that whoever believes gets eternal life.

What part of whosoever are you not understanding? Whosoever means anybody! For God so loved the world that anybody who believes will not perish, but have eternal life. That does NOT mean that all of the Hindus and Muslims, etc. who have rejected Christ will get into heaven. It simply means that ANYONE who believes in God's love, mercy, justice, etc. will be allowed into heaven.
 
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Okay, anybody who believes gets eternal life. It's a distinction without a difference.
 
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It simply means that ANYONE who believes in God's love, mercy, justice, etc. will be allowed into heaven.
Technicality here: even the demons believe in God's love, mercy, justice, etc ===and they tremble in terror - they KNOW it is truth, and they are forever doomed.
Likewise many people 'believe' in God's Goodness/ Salvation / Attributes/
but never get to see any part of heaven, ever .....

Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV - I Never Knew You - “Not everyone who ...
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7:21-23 - New International Version...
I Never Knew You - “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
 
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Okay, anybody who believes gets eternal life. It's a distinction without a difference.

But there IS a distinction. Calvin, by preaching the way he preached, put God in a box. He limited God. God is illimitable. Not only is He unlimited, but He cannot be limited. Unlike some, who would say that a Hindu could never get to heaven, what about this man I have heard of.

There is a man in Calcutta who every day, goes out to the people on the streets of the city. He takes care of homeless people's feet. He washes feet, binds wounds, gives people shoes, and so on. Now, how is this man not following Jesus words in Matthew 25:35-40 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

Is this man not doing EXACTLY what Jesus was talking about? How can you, just because he never heard of Jesus, send him to hell?
 
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