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No, it is God that makes us the chosen after we chose Him. It is a relationship.
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No, it is God that makes us the chosen after we chose Him. It is a relationship.Which makes God chosen, not us.
That's not what's meant when it says as God's chosen people.It means people who chose to love Jesus basically. How is that unclear? If they choose, then they also are chosen of God.
"The chosen" is still those who were chosen.No, it is God that makes us the chosen after we chose Him. It is a relationship.
Good question. Apparently believers can chose to go to the pig pen. They can make all sorts of bad choices, some of them especially. We can't tell a bride just by one snapshot of what she chooses one day. Calvanists seem to like to do that. One example is John MacArthur in teaching Revelation. He talked about how if some didn't endure till the end, they were not basically ever really saved if I recall. My point is that this is not for man to judge. Peter chose to deny Christ three times one night. The apostles all fled one night. Paul talks of some who sinned so bad that their bodies needed to be killed so they would be saved. Etc. So who wants some Calvanist looking at a believer and seizing on some failure or sin, claiming they were 'never saved'?Can Christ's bride choose no?
Star off by telling us what IS meant.That's not what's meant when it says as God's chosen people.
Think of the saying "my chosen profession". Who is doing the choosing?
I didn't ask about individuals. I asked about the bride.Good question. Apparently believers can chose to go to the pig pen. They can make all sorts of bad choices, some of them especially. We can't tell a bride just by one snapshot of what she chooses one day. Calvanists seem to like to do that. One example is John MacArthur in teaching Revelation. He talked about how if some didn't endure till the end, they were not basically ever really saved if I recall. My point is that this is not for man to judge. Peter chose to deny Christ three times one night. The apostles all fled one night. Paul talks of some who sinned so bad that their bodies needed to be killed so they would be saved. Etc. So who wants some Calvanist looking at a believer and seizing on some failure or sin, claiming they were 'never saved'?
Really? That needs explanation?Star off by telling us what IS meant.
As what usually happens in these threads, once Calvinism is mentioned, or someone who is Reformed posts something that seems Reformed, the arguments against Reformed Theology come out, and are usually emotionally driven straw man arguments.
This gets us nowhere because the Calvinists aren't really given the opportunity to defend what we believe, but have to spend time correcting the incorrect argument
Can all mean all types? Or must it always mean every single type?From the Council of Dordt: FIRST HEAD: ARTICLE 2. but in this the love of God was manifested, that He "sent his one and only Son into the world, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (1 John 4:9, John 3:16).
But what Reformers seem to say is that God has elected only certain people to be saved, and only they can have eternal life. How do you square the two? Remember--all means just that, ALL.
Can all mean all types? Or must it always mean every single type?
If you look at it correctly, it means whoever is believing. It doesn't say that anyone can believe. It just says that those who do have eternal life.Right, let me rephrase. John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
What part of WHOSOEVER does that disqualify? Whosoever means, you, me, and the satanist preforming a black mass in San Francisco. Not just the lemming-like followers that have no free thought of their own because their preachers won't allow it. And whosoever also includes the Hindus, Jews, Muslims, and other assorted religions that deny Christ. And it includes those that get automatically get dismissed because they supposedly have a "works" religion, like all of the Pre-Reformation Christian Churches.
Well what did you think it did mean? If we chose Him, and are chosen of Him, what more could we ask?That's not what's meant when it says as God's chosen people.
Think of the saying "my chosen profession". Who is doing the choosing?
Both of us, because we chose Him also.Which makes God chosen, not us.
He chose all who come to Him, no? When we chose Him we join the chosen."The chosen" is still those who were chosen.
Your version does. How else can we know what we are dealing with?Really? That needs explanation?
It doesn't say anyone can't believe either.If you look at it correctly, it means whoever is believing. It doesn't say that anyone can believe. It just says that those who do have eternal life.
You avoided the question.Well what did you think it did mean? If we chose Him, and are chosen of Him, what more could we ask?
Well, at least you agree that God chooses us. It's a start.Both of us, because we chose Him also.
No. He chose those who will come.He chose all who come to Him, no? When we chose Him we join the chosen.
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