The New Deal

[TheNewWorldMan]

So if people are maxing out their Credit Cards for things they don't need, its my fault? My family has a saying that if you can't buy it right now don't get it at all...

Does that apply to food, shelter and medical care?

 

[GodGunsAndGlory]

Liberalism is often found in more densely populated and often higher educated areas. The sticks is very rural and often where the less educated are found, also where more conservatives are incidentally found. Liberals are progressive and conservatives tend to be stuck in their ways, also corresponds to geographical location.

For one thing, Republicans have a 2% lead in general election amongst people with master degrees.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23637018/

http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080416/NRSTAFF/513488403/-1/news

http://askville.amazon.com/cost-food-rising-Americans-back-farming/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=9588711

And just because you're poor and conservative doesn't mean that you can't not understand how people feel.

I still say you're some troll from Europe who picked up the latest U.S. Conservatives for Dummies book, took the most offensive parts of it, turned it into a character, and is living it out right now, doing it for the lulz.

Of course, prove me wrong. I'll find out in the morning.

So you found 2 stories... one says a woman can't go out for lunch and go out for dinner. The other says things without sources.

You just realized that anti-Federalist means you are against the Constitution, right? Not to mention it was Alexander Hamilton who ended up being the one who defended the Constitution, and whose writings are regarded as some of the most important in legal history in that area.

Sigh... a Anti-Federalist was someone who was against the Constitution because there was no Bill of Rights in it...

You do realize most rural areas are generally more liberal then conservative when it comes to economics, right? They vote Republican due to social issues mostly. Economically they generally go far more regulation and populist slogans. There is a reason why Republicans like Mike Huckabee are despised by groups like Cato Institute.

No they aren't. Also, I despise Mike Huckabee... and the CATO institute is free market idiots... I'm a capitalist.

 

[christalee4]

The New Deal was reviled by traditional conservative Republicans, who in turn took advantage of it. The New Deal is a foundation of good economics, that helps to build a base of working people, middle class people, and an economy that benefits all, not just the rich.

 

[SpyridonOCA]

From:"Noam Chomsky" <chomsky@MIT.EDU> To:"Matthew Spyridon Tsipras (by way of Noam Chomsky <chomsky@mit.edu>)" <freethought509@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The New Deal Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:16:11 -0400 It's simple. The New Deal measures resulted from popular pressure, and were an exercise in functioning democracy. They also primarly benefited the large majority of the population, not concentrations of private power. And because of their origins, they emphasized the principles at the core of classical liberalism: sympathy, solidarity, cooperation, etc.

All of this is anathema to privilege and power, not surprisingly.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Spyridon Tsipras (by way of Noam Chomsky <chomsky@mit.edu>)
To: Noam Chomsky
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: The New Deal


Dear Dr. Chomsky,

I consider the New Deal to be as important to the history of our country and the rights we take for granted as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. And yet, very rarely do politicians appeal to the New Deal, aside from Dennis Kucinich and some others. Why is that?

Grace and peace.

 

[SpyridonOCA]

The conservative movement has become so antihistorical and anti-intellectual, I'd be very happy to see the Republican Party to lose for decades to come.

 

[Maverick3000]

Sigh... a Anti-Federalist was someone who was against the Constitution because there was no Bill of Rights in it...

No, anti-Federalists were against expanding the federal government in general. Thats what the term "federalist" means. The Bill of Rights were a compromise to get them into the system.

No they aren't.

Yes they are. Do you think many farmers would want to give up farm subsidies or tarifs on imported food?

Also, I despise Mike Huckabee... and the CATO institute is free market idiots... I'm a capitalist.

Free market is capitalism.

 

[Corey]

...as important as the constitution...




Nice.

Zap...there was active talk of violent revolution and coup in the US...during the 30s. There was even a conspiracy among some generals. Even the whistleblower lost his job. In those days, officers even touching politics was considered a removal offense.

The New Deal and its programs saved the Constitution.

 

[Corey]

For one thing, Republicans have a 2% lead in general election amongst people with master degrees.

Name the most popular post-graduate degree. I'll even give you its initials: MBA.

Here's a tip. Don't use statistics: 87.734% are made of right on the spot. I can give you a 50% guarantee of that.

Joking aside: where do the Ph.D.s fall?

No they aren't. Also, I despise Mike Huckabee... and the CATO institute is free market idiots... I'm a capitalist.

Kid...and that's if you really are a kid...and not a Poe...you need to sit back...drink a Coke (laced with Zanax or something) and chill. This isn't meant to be an insult or flame so don't take it as one: you're ignorant. I mean that in the broadest sense of the term--you lack knowledge and experience. Take some time...listen...especially to arguments you disagree with. If you can't confront your debate opponents with facts and logic of your own, then you have no business on fora like these.

If you want a mentor, I'd recommend you speak with Notre Dame.

 

[LonesomeTexan]

I consider the New Deal to be as important to the history of our country and the rights we take for granted as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. And yet, very rarely do politicians appeal to the New Deal, aside from Dennis Kucinich and some others. Why is that?

Along with the creation of the federal reserve and the income tax, the new deal paved the way for the destruction of our nation.

 

[SpyridonOCA]

Along with the creation of the federal reserve and the income tax, the new deal paved the way for the destruction of our nation.

Would you care to substantiate this assertion?

 

[LonesomeTexan]

Would you care to substantiate this assertion?

it forever changed the way Americans viewed the role of government. it opened the doors for all sorts of federal expansion "for the greater good". it allowed for people to vote for the politician that promised the most benefit from the public treasury. it made slaves out of hard working Americans. it stole from our proud heritage of self reliance. it created a class of people that rely entirely on government charity (which turns out to be the major voting block for the democrat (ie socialist party).

 

[SpyridonOCA]

Rather than making slaves out of working Americans, it granted them rights, such as the eight hour work day, weekends off, minimum wage, the right to unionize, etc. You might want to check your sources.

 

[NotreDame]

I said for those that don't deserve it. That are using it to pay for NECESSITIES. I know someone who is struggling just to do that now. Just recently had to go into debt because food prices have skyrocketed.

I don't know where you live, but it sounds like you're one of those rich Evangelicals who prey on people like that, then blame it on them when they don't deserve it.

If you're working two jobs and still can't pay for food, water and shelter, while CEOs rake in record profits year after year, something isn't right.

Why do you characterize it as a matter of something not being right at all? Why can't it be characterized as the way it works, not rightly, nor wrongly, but the way life goes sometimes?

 

[NotreDame]

No, anti-Federalists were against expanding the federal government in general. Thats what the term "federalist" means. The Bill of Rights were a compromise to get them into the system. Yes they are. Do you think many farmers would want to give up farm subsidies or tarifs on imported food?
Free market is capitalism.

You need to revisit your U.S. history book. Anti-federalists were against ratification of the U.S. Constitution. Federalists Hamilton, Madison, and Jay wrote a series of articles in favor of ratification for the U.S. Constitution.

 

[jayem]

One of the poorest areas in America and its also very Conservative... weird ain't it?

Go to ANY economically deprived area of the country and tell the people you want to end their Social Security. See how that'll go over...


SS is not a handout. It's an entitlement for which you qualify by paying into it. With some exceptions. True, it is redistribution of income. The working age pay to support the elderly, disabled, and their dependents. And it is a huge pyramid scheme. But SS and Medicare are probably the most popular government programs ever. Short of nationwide nuclear holocaust, they will never, ever just go away. Their functions will have to continued in a financially sound manner.

 

[Maverick3000]

You need to revisit your U.S. history book. Anti-federalists were against ratification of the U.S. Constitution.

Because it expanded the power of the federal government. Thats why the Bill of Rights were made, to protect the states from the federal government.

 

[GodGunsAndGlory]

No, anti-Federalists were against expanding the federal government in general. Thats what the term "federalist" means. The Bill of Rights were a compromise to get them into the system. Yes they are. Do you think many farmers would want to give up farm subsidies or tarifs on imported food?
Free market is capitalism.

They were against the constitution because it would give too much power and the way you said they were against the constitution, you obviously neglected this mainly because you didn't even know about it.

Most farmers aren't someone who lives on the farm and owns the farm, most farms in America are owned by big corporations. Then to say that the small farms are getting the subsidies is crazy... conservatives wanted to change farm subsidies to small farms, but Democrats wouldn't budge.

Capitalism supports the free market, but capitalism is much more then free market, its a idea that respects individual rights, which CATO institute does not respect individual rights.

Name the most popular post-graduate degree. I'll even give you its initials: MBA.

Here's a tip. Don't use statistics: 87.734% are made of right on the spot. I can give you a 50% guarantee of that.

Joking aside: where do the Ph.D.s fall?



Kid...and that's if you really are a kid...and not a Poe...you need to sit back...drink a Coke (laced with Zanax or something) and chill. This isn't meant to be an insult or flame so don't take it as one: you're ignorant. I mean that in the broadest sense of the term--you lack knowledge and experience. Take some time...listen...especially to arguments you disagree with. If you can't confront your debate opponents with facts and logic of your own, then you have no business on fora like these.

If you want a mentor, I'd recommend you speak with Notre Dame.

Its the Master of Business Administration and for one, I've known about what a MBA is for ever because guess what, one hangs in my fathers office... oh oops...

Anyways let me tell you one thing about college degrees, they don't make you smart, they just mean you went to school longer. My fathers friend wife made 200k a year and she never went to college and she got her job when they didn't require a college degree and trust me, her job was hard and now it requires a certain college degree and guess what... when she went to retire at the age of 55... they didn't have anyone to replace her because not enough people had that degree. So to get her to stay till they could find a replacement they paid for a 4k a month apartment for her and her husband and was paying her what would of made her 300k if they hadn't found her a replacement. She also passed high school when passing high school meant something.

Now let me tell you something..

Next year because my dad got his teaching credential I will be home schooled... which I will be taught some hard stuff... like AP Microeconomics....

Anyways the last person that called me ignorant, also told me to read books. Which I gave them a big list of books I have read... which included a lot of political books, economic books, and history books.

 

[Ringo84]

All I know is that if the CCC - which gave people jobs and helped create the nice national parks we all enjoy today - is "Socialism" or "Communism" or some other dreaded "ism", then so be it.
Ringo

 

[NotreDame]

Because it expanded the power of the federal government. Thats why the Bill of Rights were made, to protect the states from the federal government.

Does not matter...your recollection of U.S. history is incorrect. Anti-Federalists were opposed to ratification of the U.S. Constitution. Federalists were arduously advocating for its ratification. The label "Federalist" was not applied because they favored an expansion of governmental powers. Hamilton, Jay, and Madison took this name upon themselves. The word "federalist" had a specific meaning in 1788, and it referred to the type of governmental power where the national government was limited and centralized, where the individual states did not surrender all of its sovereignty. The word "federalist" had a positive meaning and this explains why Hamilton, Madison, and Jay were calling themselves federalists.

This, necessarily, forced the opponents, by default, to call themselves the Anti-Federalists. Of course, being "anti" of a word where such a word had positive connotations in society at the time does not look good.

The Anti-Federalists most prominent criticism was the U.S. Constitution lacked a Bill of Rights and on this basis the U.S. Constitution should not be ratified. The Federalists, Hamilton, Jay, and Madison, countered by stating a Bill of Rights is unnecessary because the U.S. Constitution, in its present form in 1788, was a Bill of Rights.

Both groups of men, the Federalists and Anti-Federalists, before they took these labels, understood the necessity of having a more powerful national government. So the difference between the two was not, as you assume, on the basis of one group did not want the power of the national government expanded, whereas the other did. The men who would later make up both groups, realized in the summer of 1787 it was necessary to have a more powerful national government, more powerful than the one that presently existed at the time under the Articles of Confederation.

What separated the Federalists from the Anti-Federalists was the latter believed the proposed constitution for ratification gave too much power to the national government and some clauses allowed for the national government to usurp more power from the people and states (like the necessary and proper clause).