The New CF

[drstevej]

Erwin just posted the New CF philosophy.

You might want to check it out...

 

[Defcon]

Interesting - I like the transparency that's going to be implemented.

However, I've got to say I dislike this:

"g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge."

Nothing like more blurring of the definition of a 'Christian'. I see that as simply falling in line with the culture; "No exclusions here." That was something I thought CF had right.

 

[heymikey80]

Erwin just posted the New CF philosophy.

You might want to check it out...

Rule by the mass of people? I'm trying to think of when the church was led by all the congregation -- was that in the 17th century, in England and the colonies?

 

[drstevej]

e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].
f. No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.
g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.

CF is now unfettered by any biblical values.
Values are in the eye of the beholder.

 

[heymikey80]

g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.

Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? But you yourselves wrong and defraud--even your own brothers! Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Cor 6:2-11​

 

[Willo]

"g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge."

If I believe I am above the rules, and that I can break them any time that I want, can I? After all who are you to judge?

That is nothing but post modernism, and it is an undermining of absolute truth.

 

[heymikey80]

If I believe I am above the rules, and that I can break them any time that I want, can I? After all who are you to judge?

That is nothing but post modernism, and it is an undermining of absolute truth.

Well, I'd trace it directly to modernism, and an undermining of moral truth from an approach to truth that excluded morality, that appeared in the late 19th century and grew to take over the western world. It's represented in modern humanism and existentialism, as well as communism and atheistic branches of logical positivism when they disestablish the logic of "should".

Much of postmodernism inherited this view of moral relativism from the modernists. It's about time they see it as a modernistic failure.

 

[TigerBunny]

Erwin just posted the New CF philosophy.

You might want to check it out...

1 Corinthians 5-6 comes to mind.

So I won't know who I'm talking too really ( other than those I know already ). I have enough guessing games going on in the supposed Christian GT and CA.

On the bright side...the Mod's who have been on the fence hoping for a solution got one.

 

[GrinningDwarf]

This is not looking good...

 

[Iosias]

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[Tishri1]

please if anyone has any questions then post them here or PM me ok? and I am sure Erwin has not left his theology at the door he is just looking at a new model for running this place not a new morality, trust him and gave faith that this is still God's forum, I'm here if anyone needs anything

 

[GrinningDwarf]

please if anyone has any questions then post them here or PM me ok? and I am sure Erwin has not left his theology at the door he is just looking at a new model for running this place not a new morality, trust him and gave faith that this is still God's forum, I'm here if anyone needs anything

OK...my biggest question is:

Is Semper Reformanda going to remain a safe haven for Reformed folks, or are we going to have to 'accept the claims' to be Christian from every heretic that walks in? Is SR going to remain a place where we can discuss our Reformed distinctives in peace, or are we going to have to 'rumble' with every contrary opinion who comes through here? I would assume that the answer would be the same for all the congregational forums.

 

[StephanStrategy]

Let's give it a chance to work and see how things go.

 

[heymikey80]

OK...my biggest question is:

Is Semper Reformanda going to remain a safe haven for Reformed folks, or are we going to have to 'accept the claims' to be Christian from every heretic that walks in? Is SR going to remain a place where we can discuss our Reformed distinctives in peace, or are we going to have to 'rumble' with every contrary opinion who comes through here? I would assume that the answer would be the same for all the congregational forums.

1. A great question, the biggest one in my mind, and one I've heard repeated again and again.

Look, I've been prohibited from joining a number of forums, so I'm aware of the basic issue setting the bar too high. I've never thought the bar was set too high in CF.

It makes me uncomfortable that "there is no spoon", now. 1 Cor 5-6 set up boundaries under which the Church of Christ thrived. I'd expect some kind of boundary here, too.

Or are we intended to define and legitimate the boundaries of our specific congregational grouping? That is, may we restrict our own areas when we disagree that someone carrying around the Reformed or Presbyterian icon is really Reformed or Presbyterian?

2. Do signs mean nothing? Should we -- or may we -- get involved in policing our own signs? Calvinists have fallen victim to accusations from without -- we've also sometimes been undercut by non-Reformed masquerading as Reformed.

 

[Tishri1]

I believe you will be defining your own forum now, dont quote me yet but I think that is it

 

[cubanito]

THE reason I joined CF was it's layered subforum structure.

When I felt like hanging out w my own, I had several places. When I felt like going out of my tiny enclave, I was able to decide just how much I wanted to deal with.

Well, this aint looking good indeed, but I for one am going to hang out and see what happens.

As for Erwin I have great respect, he is a very busy guy and dosen't need our hassle.

JR

 

[Iosias]

Unitarian is not a Christian but according to CF rules "if you believe you are a Christian, you are"

A homosexual union is not marriage, that is a union of one man and one woman, but according to CF rules "if you want to call yourself married, go ahead"

 

[mlqurgw]

When ecumenicalism is the focus the truth always takes a back seat and eventually is let go altogether. I have never had any great love for this place because of the idea of uniting all "Christians" is a pipe dream that can only come about as it seems to be doing. I have remained here only because of some of the people who are here with whom I do enjoy fellowship. I will continue here as long as those folks remain.

 

[drstevej]

I believe you will be defining your own forum now, dont quote me yet but I think that is it

Yep and anyone can join and vote on the rules. So if more Mormons or Wiccans join this forum then it's Semper Deformada.

 

[calmcoolandelected]

When ecumenicalism is the focus the truth always takes a back seat and eventually is let go altogether. I have never had any great love for this place because of the idea of uniting all "Christians" is a pipe dream that can only come about as it seems to be doing. I have remained here only because of some of the people who are here with whom I do enjoy fellowship. I will continue here as long as those folks remain.

Dittos! I quit posting on all the other subforums except SR because I love you guys so much!

CC&E