The name of Jesus

[Stravinsk]

The name "Jesus Christ" Or Jesús (Hey-soos)

- Can you find it in the Old Testament? I am not referring to the prophecies that point to Messiah. I am looking for one reference in the Hebrew tongue that uses this pronunciation.

It is said in Acts 4:8-12 that there is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved - "Jesus of Nazareth".

Obviously - the name of the Messiah is important. If I call my savior "Brian" - and believe all that he said in the Gospels - and that he died and rose again - am I saved? Does it matter?

I know it will be argued that the NT scriptures were written in Greek - with the evidence that those are the only copies we have left. It is assumed also that the Jews and the writers of the NT also spoke Greek.

However -

Why is Paul speaking Hebrew here? Acts 21:40, 22:2,

Why does the Almighty speak the Hebrew tongue here to Saul/Paul? Acts 26:14


And the most important question - given all of this - why name the Son of God - the name above all names - in a Greek tongue - when the evidence points to the fact that the Jews were still speaking Hebrew at the time?

There is a word pronounced "Hey-soos" in the OT Hebrew - but it's not referring to the savior.

???

 

[JohnMarsten]

there are obviously groups that claim that the name is important... linking the name Jesus with Zeus and stuff... I dont know, could be something to it... but I have left the matter aside, I guess I am too illiterate to decide that...

 

[Stravinsk]

This thread...so quiet...lol

 

[ricker]

Obviously - the name of the Messiah is important. If I call my savior "Brian" - and believe all that he said in the Gospels - and that he died and rose again - am I saved? Does it matter?

Did you see the movie "Life of Brian"?

 

[Stravinsk]

Did you see the movie "Life of Brian"?

I think I've seen bits of it...it's been so long I don't remember.

 

[OntheDL]

The name "Jesus Christ" Or Jesús (Hey-soos)

- Can you find it in the Old Testament? I am not referring to the prophecies that point to Messiah. I am looking for one reference in the Hebrew tongue that uses this pronunciation.

It is said in Acts 4:8-12 that there is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved - "Jesus of Nazareth".

Obviously - the name of the Messiah is important. If I call my savior "Brian" - and believe all that he said in the Gospels - and that he died and rose again - am I saved? Does it matter?

I know it will be argued that the NT scriptures were written in Greek - with the evidence that those are the only copies we have left. It is assumed also that the Jews and the writers of the NT also spoke Greek.

However -

Why is Paul speaking Hebrew here? Acts 21:40, 22:2,

Why does the Almighty speak the Hebrew tongue here to Saul/Paul? Acts 26:14

And the most important question - given all of this - why name the Son of God - the name above all names - in a Greek tongue - when the evidence points to the fact that the Jews were still speaking Hebrew at the time?

There is a word pronounced "Hey-soos" in the OT Hebrew - but it's not referring to the savior.

???

The Paleo-Hebrew spoken by the generation that left Egypt is Phoenician-Egyptian phonics.

The Hebrew name MOSES is Egyptian and consists two parts:
- mo: water
- ses: save

So 'Moses' means water saves.

The Greeks were probably the descendents of the Phoenician and had the similar alphabets.

Now consider the name of Jesus in Greek, IESOUS:

- IE: is the derivative of YEH (God)
- SOUS: is the same transliteration of ses (save)

So 'Jesus' means God saves. Same name as Joshua. You can make a case for Hebrews 4:8, the name used can be translated to either Jesus or Joshua.

Did the Jews speak Hebrew during Jesus' time? Probably not. If they could read and speak Hebrew, there wouldn't have been a need to compile Septuagint (LXX).

When Jesus cried out to the Father while on the cross: 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani' is syro-chaldaic, a form of Hebrew/Aramaic. The Jews didn't understand him.

A sect of the Hebrew roots movement, sacred name believes you can not be saved unless you are saved under the correct name of the messiah.

I don't subscribe to it.

1. God has many names. The multitude of names refer to the multitude of attributes and functions.
2. You can not be certain how to pronounce Hebrew. The ancient Hebrew does not have vowels. So that eliminates the notion you must use the correct name since you don't even know how to pronounce it.
3. If you doubt the accuracy and reliability of the translation that is based on the Greek (majority) text, then you have very little foundation for your faith. Where do you go next?

 

[Stravinsk]

2. You can not be certain how to pronounce Hebrew. The ancient Hebrew does not have vowels. So that eliminates the notion you must use the correct name since you don't even know how to pronounce it.

"Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name...."

How can this mean anything if the name itself is not knowable? If it is not knowable - how can it be kept "hallowed"?

Strong's G#37

Hallowed:


1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
a) consecrate things to God
b) dedicate people to God
3) to purify
a) to cleanse externally
b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul

 

[OntheDL]

"Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name...."

How can this mean anything if the name itself is not knowable? If it is not knowable - how can it be kept "hallowed"?

Strong's G#37

Hallowed:
1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
a) consecrate things to God
b) dedicate people to God
3) to purify
a) to cleanse externally
b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul

The name in the bible denotes the person's character, inheritance, reputation... God goes by many names and they denotes His multitude of attributes. By guessing the names and how it's pronounced does you no good unless you are intimate with His character.

Without the vowels and without knowing the pronunciation, your point doesn't even make sense.

 

[Stravinsk]

The name in the bible denotes the person's character, inheritance, reputation... God goes by many names and they denotes His multitude of attributes. By guessing the names and how it's pronounced does you no good unless you are intimate with His character.

Without the vowels and without knowing the pronunciation, your point doesn't even make sense.

There is a way, but I will leave that up to you to search yourself, should you be so inclined.