The name of "Allah"

[Moriah Ruth 777]

This is an interesting topic indeed. However I find it hard to believe that Allah is the same God as the Christians and the Jewish people. Why? Because if one were to read the Quran and compare it to the Torah and the bible, one would find that Allah in the Quran is not the same as in the Torah or the bible. Many Christian groups have been stating that the Allah that the Muslims worship is the same God as ours. Sorry to say that is not true.

There is a big comparison. However SlaveofGod, what on earth is a "Deist at heart but a staunch pre-Islamic Paganist" With Pre-Islamic Paganist? I have never heard of such a thing. And also if this is Pre-Islamic than would you not still be considered a Muslim?

Moriah Ruth

 

[Chaplain David]

We can become confused about the use of the word "Allah" because it is used both in Islam to denote God and also by Arab Christians to denote God. Basically it is the Arabic word for God.

 

[sevengreenbeans]

I am a Deist at heart but a staunch pre-Islamic Paganist (Wathaniyya). Little obvious since I have a khamsah as my avatar

In any case, thank you for what you've added to the discussion here.

 

[sevengreenbeans]

This is an interesting topic indeed. However I find it hard to believe that Allah is the same God as the Christians and the Jewish people. Why? Because if one were to read the Quran and compare it to the Torah and the bible, one would find that Allah in the Quran is not the same as in the Torah or the bible. Many Christian groups have been stating that the Allah that the Muslims worship is the same God as ours. Sorry to say that is not true.

Have you read the Quran?

 

[Moriah Ruth 777]

Seven,

Yes I have read the Quran and it is nothing like our bible or Torah. One has to really read it and study it.

Moriah Ruth

 

[Moriah Ruth 777]

Many Muslims who become Christians really start showing others of how the Quran doesn't match up with the word of God. I have several books here which are written by ex-Muslims and they take their Quran apart bit by bit and show the differences with the bible. I would give you the book titles however it is in the bedroom. Hubby is still sleeping. One book is really good. I will get the titles for you when I get a chance.

Moriah Ruth

 

[aniello]

Any consideration of Quran would be lacking without due consideration of The Hadith, the commentary of the Quran.

Here's a starting reference for those wishing to go deeper into madness.

Hadith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Moriah Ruth 777]

Ok here are the books that I have that are written by ex-Muslims.

"Islam Unveiled" by Abdullah Al-Araby- he is a born again Christian and goes around the world teaching the bible and exposing the lies of the Quran.

"Daughters of Islam" by Miriam Adeney

"Behind the Veil-Unmasking Islam" by Abd El Schafi- he also is a born again Christian who is teaching against Islam. This book is very detailed.

"Comparing the Quran and the Bible" by Rick Richter. He works with Muslims and ex-Muslims. This book is very detailed and had charts set up with Quran verses on one side and the bible verses on the other. Comparing Quranic verse to the biblical verses.

There were others that I have read however they were from the library.

Moriah Ruth

 

[Moriah Ruth 777]

Aniello,

Yes, they so much go by the Hadiths more so than the Quran. And I agree the Hadiths are scary stuff. Also one will see that there is contradictions in the Hadiths compared to the Quran. Some places will tell you what had been added to the Quran and what was taken out.

Moriah Ruth

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Seven,

Yes I have read the Quran and it is nothing like our bible or Torah. One has to really read it and study it.

Moriah Ruth

Even most Jews I know would disagree with you. The Qur'an consists of the same content as the Tawrat and Islamic fiqh do not differ than Jewish custom as a whole.

Islam is very Jewish to an extent and less Christian.

 

[Moriah Ruth 777]

SlaveofGod,

I respect your opinion, however I would have to disagree with you on that.

Moriah Ruth

 

[EnemyOfReason]

There is a big comparison. However SlaveofGod, what on earth is a "Deist at heart but a staunch pre-Islamic Paganist" With Pre-Islamic Paganist? I have never heard of such a thing. And also if this is Pre-Islamic than would you not still be considered a Muslim?

Moriah Ruth

Trying not to derail this thread . It is for Messianic Jews after all .

But if I am apart of Wathani then I am automatically not Muslim. The Qur'an specifically calls for the deaths of pre-Islamic theists, poets and religious figures.

Anything pre-Islamic is anti-Islamic. They were called kafir and Zindiq and butchered by Muhammad. Being a Wathani is almost an attack against Islam because Muslims often hide the pagan origins of Islam and deny it is just a mixture of Wathaniyya with Judaism.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

SlaveofGod,

I respect your opinion, however I would have to disagree with you on that.

Moriah Ruth

Does the Qur'an not mention the works of Nuh(Noah), Yusuf, Musa(Moses), Ibrahim(Abraham)?

The Qur'an contains all of the Tawrat to a greater extent. The issue is not with content but with the literary style of the Qur'an which is far different. This is why Muslim believe in so many things the Jews do while Jews view them as copy-cats.

The Qur'an is actually plagiarized to be frank.

 

[juleamager]

But if I am apart of Wathani then I am automatically not Muslim. The Qur'an specifically calls for the deaths of pre-Islamic theists, poets and religious figures.

Including those of Christians and Jews?

 

[Moriah Ruth 777]

SlaveofGod, you didn't answer my question to you.

Moriah Ruth

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Including those of Christians and Jews?

I can give you multiple verses where it contradicts this . Just take your pick

 

[EnemyOfReason]

SlaveofGod, you didn't answer my question to you.

Moriah Ruth

I am unaware of any question. I answered all of your posts. Which posts are you referring to?

 

[Moriah Ruth 777]

SlaveofGod,

Ok sorry, you did answer the question after I had sent the post. Ok so you are saying that Pre-Islamic worshipped idols?

And are you saying that Wathani is a mixture of pagan beliefs as well as Jewish beliefs?

And yes the Quran does talk about Noah, Moses and Abraham but not on a Christian or Jewish perspective. It is sort of backwards. This is my thought.

Moriah Ruth

 

[EnemyOfReason]

SlaveofGod,

Ok sorry, you did answer the question after I had sent the post. Ok so you are saying that Pre-Islamic worshipped idols?

And are you saying that Wathani is a mixture of pagan beliefs as well as Jewish beliefs?

And yes the Quran does talk about Noah, Moses and Abraham but not on a Christian or Jewish perspective. It is sort of backwards. This is my thought.

Moriah Ruth

No no no, I said the exact opposite. Wathaniyya just means the theology before Islam arrived. Did you think Arabs were always Muslims? Europeans were not always Christians of course at one point in history.

Muhammad just took pre-Islamic beliefs and mixed them with Judaism and apocryphal texts and formed a new religion.

 

[Moriah Ruth 777]

oh ok.. sorry for the misunderstanding and yes I now understand. Thank you for clarifying.

If I may ask you Slave, what is your faith now if you are no longer Muslim?

Moriah Ruth