the myth of flat earth debunked again

[essentialsaltes]

Where is it eternally emptying?

The windows in the firmament open and rain falls out. Genesis 7:11

 

[Ophiolite]

I considered that, and I think the problem there (don't quote me as gospel as this is some half remembered information and a little physics intuition) is that it changes the situation in such a way that the inverse square law no longer works. Gravity would go like 1/R instead of 1/R^2. So it might help the direction of gravity, but measuring gravity at different elevations would show a difference from reality.

Thanks. One of my regrets is that my maths never really got beyond secondary school level and has since retreated further, to the kindergarten where it hangs it head in shame.

 

[Phil G]

In a Bible based flat earth model that is exactly what happens with the sun.
The sun moves in a large circle above us, from one end of the sky to the other [Psalms 19:5-6] it appears to rise and set due to perspective,
similar to cars or anything we see going far away from us.

You're not addressing the obvious problems with your Biblical interpretations. The sun does not slow down similar to a car as it moves further away. Neither does it diminish in size similar to a car moving away. And any mount tracking the sun would have to utilize two axes to track it, which the equatorial mount is not designed to do.

 

[contratodo]

The sun does not slow down similar to a car as it moves further away. Neither does it diminish in size similar to a car moving away.

Yes, it does seem to diminish in size as it moves away, what we are seeing has to do with perspective.
The sun moves in a large circle above the whole world.

I saw an angel, standing in the sun,
and he cried with a loud voice saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of the sky,
come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God.
Revelation 19:17

And God made two great lights...
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the land
Genesis 1:16-17

 

[contratodo]

And any mount tracking the sun would have to utilize two axes to track it, which the equatorial mount is not designed to do.

What is being tracked in the telescope video is the light from the sun hitting the solar plate.
As the light travels the telescope aims to follow it, being locked on that axis, it flips around as the light goes away,
as the day light comes back the next day it is able to track the resulting sun light back around.

What it does not do is follow sun light penetrating through the walls of the building,
which is what would have to be happening if you want it to prove a globe model.
It is just following the light as best it can on it's locked axis.

 

[Phil G]

Yes, it does seem to diminish in size as it moves away, what we are seeing has to do with perspective.
The sun moves in a large circle above the whole world.

I saw an angel, standing in the sun,
and he cried with a loud voice saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of the sky,
come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God.
Revelation 19:17

And God made two great lights...
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the land
Genesis 1:16-17

No, it ‘seems’ to get bigger as it sinks towards the horizon. However, it is still the same size in reality. Also it NEVER seems to slow down as it ‘moves far away’. If it did, the equatorial mount’s speed of rotation would also have to slow down, which it doesn’t. And it only moves on one axis to track the sun, not the two which would be necessary as the sun allegedly moves closer an further away.

 

[Phil G]

What is being tracked in the telescope video is the light from the sun hitting the solar plate.
As the light travels the telescope aims to follow it, being locked on that axis, it flips around as the light goes away,
as the day light comes back the next day it is able to track the resulting sun light back around.

What it does not do is follow sun light penetrating through the walls of the building,
which is what would have to be happening if you want it to prove a globe model.
It is just following the light as best it can on it's locked axis.

No it is tracking the object, not its light. If the sun was blocked by an object, the mount continues to accurately track it

 

[contratodo]

No it is tracking the object, not its light. If the sun was blocked by an object, the mount continues to accurately track it

At about 40 seconds to 50 he specifically says that the telescope is aligned with the light from the sun,
a little light shines through to a specific point past a solar panel.
The telescope can do nothing else but rotate around as the light passes because it is locked on that light aligned axis.

It can not possibly track a sun that it can not see. The suns light does not shine through the 'globe' and then through the building.

The telescope is aligned with the light it can see and locked on that axis.

 

[Phil G]

At about 40 seconds to 50 he specifically says that the telescope is aligned with the light from the sun,
a little light shines through to a specific point past a solar panel.
The telescope can do nothing else but rotate around as the light passes because it is locked on that light aligned axis.

It can not possibly track a sun that it can not see. The suns light does not shine through the 'globe' and then through the building.

The telescope is aligned with the light it can see and locked on that axis.

No, now you're trying to be too clever. The mount never stops moving even if something blocks the sun's light from striking the solar plate. Even if someone stands in the way of the sunlight, the mount will continue to track the sun at a constant speed and be in the exact position it needs to be to pick it up again if the person moves out of the way an hour later. You are just proving your ignorance about the operation of the equatorial mount with every post you make.

 

[contratodo]

Even if someone stands in the way of the sunlight, the mount will continue to track the sun

How does it track the sun without seeing it?
It was locked to the initial axis based on the suns light coming through the little hole.
It does not actually track the object of the sun, it is fixed to an axis based on light from the sun.

 

[essentialsaltes]

How does it track the sun without seeing it?

I mean, you grant that the sun is there to mark times and seasons.

Astronomers have studied that clockwork, and these mounts are designed with a similar mechanical clockwork inside to match where we know the sun is going to be.

There is no photocell or something trying to chase the light around.

 

[Phil G]

How does it track the sun without seeing it?
It was locked to the initial axis based on the suns light coming through the little hole.
It does not actually track the object of the sun, it is fixed to an axis based on light from the sun.

The sun's light is only used to verify the telescope is pointing directly at it. From then on the mount moves at the same speed as the sun on one axis. The other axis is locked according to the latitude of the location and has nothing to do with the sun or its light. The mount moves as it is designed to move in order to be able to track where the sun should be, not according to its visible light. That's why it continues to follow the sun by pointing at the ground, because that is where the sun is.

The mount ALWAYS follows where the sun is based on its movement, not its light. And its speed is always constant. It never slows, which it would have to do if the sun is moving further away. This is why the equatorial mount is evidence of a spherical rotating earth.

 

[contratodo]

Even if someone stands in the way of the sunlight, the mount will continue to track the sun at a constant speed and be in the exact position it needs to be to pick it up again if the person moves out of the way an hour later. You are just proving your ignorance about the operation of the equatorial mount with every post you make.

And there is another problem, it is supposed to be the earth that is moving and not the sun.
We can see from the shadows that the light moves around the telescope, the sun is moving.

 

[Phil G]

And there is another problem, it is supposed to be the earth that is moving and not the sun.
We can see from the shadows that the light moves around the telescope, the sun is moving.

That's not a problem at all. Try moving in front of a stationary torch and watch your shadow move!

 

[Phil G]

And there is another problem, it is supposed to be the earth that is moving and not the sun.
We can see from the shadows that the light moves around the telescope, the sun is moving.

And while moving around the stationary torch, turn your body away from it & watch how the light moves across your body!

 

[contratodo]

The mount moves as it is designed to move in order to be able to track where the sun should be, not according to its visible light. That's why it continues to follow the sun by pointing at the ground, because that is where the sun is.

It continues to rotate the way it does because it is locked on that axis, not because the sun is actually on the other side of the 'globe'.
One could lock the telescope to any axis.

The sun comes back around from making its circle and the telescope is locked to that axis still, it can't rotate any other way than it is locked to.
The sun rotates in a large circle going far enough away that night ensues, then it comes back around bringing dawn and a new day.

That telescope is set to line up with the initial light it gets from the sun, and to stay on that set axis.
Being locked on that one axis it can do nothing else but rotate that way.


We can take two circular pieces of cardboard about 2 feet wide or so,
and make some 2-4 inch holes in both, in the same spots,
drawing dark circles around the holes.

If we take those two pieces, and hold one up above the other outside,
using the sun as a far away light, we will be able to line up the sun rays with the holes of the bottom piece,
because the sun is very far away from our cardboard pieces, the light can come straight through.

If we take our cardboard pieces inside and use a closer light, a flash light or close sealing light,
we will not be able to align the light with the holes, the rays will tend to spread out, because the light is more local, closer to the cardboard.

The sun is a local light in the sky, we can see so due to the rays that penetrate the clouds, they spread out,
and a video of us flying right by the sun at 28000 feet is above in this thread. The sun is not 93 million miles away outside of the sky.

 

[Phil G]

It continues to rotate the way it does because it is locked on that axis, not because the sun is actually on the other side of the 'globe'.
One could lock the telescope to any axis.

The sun comes back around from making its circle and the telescope is locked to that axis still, it can't rotate any other way than it is locked to.
The sun rotates in a large circle going far enough away that night ensues, then it comes back around bringing dawn and a new day.

That telescope is set to line up with the initial light it gets from the sun, and to stay on that set axis.
Being locked on that one axis it can do nothing else but rotate that way.


We can take two circular pieces of cardboard about 2 feet wide or so,
and make some 2-4 inch holes in both, in the same spots,
drawing dark circles around the holes.

If we take those two pieces, and hold one up above the other outside,
using the sun as a far away light, we will be able to line up the sun rays with the holes of the bottom piece,
because the sun is very far away from our cardboard pieces, the light can come straight through.

If we take our cardboard pieces inside and use a closer light, a flash light or close sealing light,
we will not be able to align the light with the holes, the rays will tend to spread out, because the light is more local, closer to the cardboard.

The sun is a local light in the sky, we can see so due to the rays that penetrate the clouds, they spread out,
and a video of us flying right by the sun at 28000 feet is above in this thread. The sun is not 93 million miles away outside of the sky.

Again you fail to address that the mount never slows down, which it must do if the sun is moving further away. And it would also need to move on two axes to track the sun while it is visible if the earth is flat. And again you don't address the fact that the sun is never seen to get smaller as it supposedly moves far away. These are observable facts and anyone who uses an equatorial mount will verify them.

 

[contratodo]

Again you fail to address that the mount never slows down, which it must do if the sun is moving further away. And it would also need to move on two axes to track the sun while it is visible if the earth is flat. And again you don't address the fact that the sun is never seen to get smaller as it supposedly moves far away.

Yes I posted a video in which during sunset the sun appears to get smaller.

Things may appear to slow down as they move farther away, they don't actually slow down.
The telescope is locked to that one axis by the telescope user.

The Bible says the sun moves in a circuit and nothing is hid from its heat. Psalms 19:5-6
I stand on the word of God, it cleverly exposes the lies from our enemy.

 

[trophy33]

The Bible says the sun moves in a circuit and nothing is hid from its heat. Psalms 19:5-6
I stand on the word of God, it cleverly exposes the lies from our enemy.

Psalms are songs. You stand on songs to get your science from, which is obviously absurd.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The sun is a local light in the sky, we can see so due to the rays that penetrate the clouds, they spread out,

Train tracks 'spread out', but they are parallel. Following them the other way, they converge on a vanishing point that is very far away.