the myth of flat earth debunked again

[contratodo]

As one moves away from the centre, there is a horizontal component of acceleration which becomes stronger as the vertical component weakens.
At the edge acceleration is a purely horizontal with zero acceleration in the vertical component.

Everything your saying there still assumes 'outer-space' and you have an image of a flat plane in a dome floating in 'outer-space'.
That is not the truth of the Biblical flat earth model.

The land is on water, outside of the dome is more water, the sun and moon are inside of the firmament just as it says in Genesis.
The firmament holds the water in just as was declared by God Almighty Himself in Job 38:8-11.
We know from Revelation that on top of the dome is the great city of God, with street of transparent gold,
and Gods throne out in the open, from which water flows.
Therefore the water is coming from God, flowing down and around the dome, filling an eternal ocean.
We are under the dome in the middle of that eternal ocean, our waters are calmer because of the dome.

There is no 'outer-space' the sun is clearly a local light above us.
The earth is as the Bible describes.

 

[contratodo]

I also want to hear any FE believers address the equatorial mount. I've yet to see anything which can be regarded as clear & rational explaining how it could work on a flat earth.

The sun and moon move.
If your looking at the moon with a cheap telescope, you'll keep having to move, because the moon is moving,
not because the earth is moving.

And so those more fancy telescopes allow them to keep the view moving, with objects that are moving.

The Bible declares that the sun and moon move above us; Joshua 10:13 Psalms 19:5-6.

 

[Phil G]

The sun and moon move.
If your looking at the moon with a cheap telescope, you'll keep having to move, because the moon is moving,
not because the earth is moving.

And so those more fancy telescopes allow them to keep the view moving, with objects that are moving.

The Bible declares that the sun and moon move above us; Joshua 10:13 Psalms 19:5-6.

No, you obviously don’t understand the basic workings of the equatorial mount. It is designed specifically for a spherical earth & would not work on a flat earth with a rotating dome. Your understating of its design is wrong.

 

[contratodo]

How far is the moon? How come we can see the moon?

The moon is a local light in the sky, it is not thousands of miles away.

The horizon line is about 3 miles, the line of sight merges at about that distance,
even if your inside of a building, or looking down a completely flat tunnel like the Gotthard tunnel in Switzerland,
at about 3 miles will be a horizon point, your eyes will merge what you see at about that distance,
you can try it as you drive, even on a highway you know is more than 3 miles, you can only see so far,
even when nothing is in front of you.

The moon, probably not more than 30 miles up, is also a shining light and often not obstructed therefore we can see it.

 

[contratodo]

Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?

Job 38:8
Or who shut up the sea with doors,
when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:9
When I made the cloud the garment thereof
and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it ( Isaiah 50:3 )
and fixed my limit for it, and set bars and doors.
And said hither to shall you come, but not further:
and here shall thy proud waves be stayed ( at the sky! the firmament, hard as a molten looking glass! Job 37:18 )
Job 38:10-11



But that is not an account of what God actually said?
You all believe science over the Bible?

 

[contratodo]

No, you obviously don’t understand the basic workings of the equatorial mount. It is designed specifically for a spherical earth & would not work on a flat earth with a rotating dome. Your understating of its design is wrong.

The dome is not rotating.
The moon and sun are circling above us.
The stars also.
Just as the Bible describes.

 

[Phil G]

The dome is not rotating.
The moon and sun are circling above us.
The stars also.
Just as the Bible describes.

The same thing applies. The equatorial mount would not work with sun/moon/stars moving across the surface of a dome above flat earth. Its movement is designed specifically for a rotating spherical earth.

 

[contratodo]

The same thing applies. The equatorial mount would not work with sun/moon/stars moving across the surface of a dome above flat earth. Its movement is designed specifically for a rotating spherical earth.

How so? What are the specifics you speak of?
If the earth is moving and that is why we perceive the sun and moon moving,
it would be the same effect if the earth is not moving but the sun and moon are moving.

 

[contratodo]

The equatorial mount would not work with sun/moon/stars moving across the surface of a dome above flat earth

They don't move across the surface of the dome.
The dome is stationary.
The sun and moon are great lights suspended where we see them in the air, held up likely by electromagnetism.
They circle above us a great distance.

Something trying to constantly see them would need to move subtly but steadily to keep track.
The earth is stationary as the Bible describes.

 

[pgp_protector]

Everything your saying there still assumes 'outer-space' and you have an image of a flat plane in a dome floating in 'outer-space'.
That is not the truth of the Biblical flat earth model.

The land is on water, outside of the dome is more water, the sun and moon are inside of the firmament just as it says in Genesis.
The firmament holds the water in just as was declared by God Almighty Himself in Job 38:8-11.
We know from Revelation that on top of the dome is the great city of God, with street of transparent gold,
and Gods throne out in the open, from which water flows.
Therefore the water is coming from God, flowing down and around the dome, filling an eternal ocean.
We are under the dome in the middle of that eternal ocean, our waters are calmer because of the dome.

There is no 'outer-space' the sun is clearly a local light above us.
The earth is as the Bible describes.

Doesn't water require a container?
IF so, what's containing all that water outside the dome?

 

[Phil G]

They don't move across the surface of the dome.
The dome is stationary.
The sun and moon are great lights suspended where we see them in the air, held up likely by electromagnetism.
They circle above us a great distance.

Something trying to constantly see them would need to move subtly but steadily to keep track.
The earth is stationary as the Bible describes.

You need to try to agree with your other FE believers. Everyone has a different belief! However the rotation of the equatorial mount only moves on one axis. The other axis is locked according to the latitude of the specific location where the mount is located. This could not work on a flat earth. FE believers love YouTube videos so here's one that demonstrates the movement:

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is there no geometry of a disk whose thickness varies radially, or perhaps in more complex ways, that would produce comparable gravimeter results?

It would help a bit if it were a long cylinder instead of a thin disk, but no matter what(*), the center of mass is going to lie on that vertical 'north pole' axis, so anywhere away from the North Pole, the local 'down' direction won't be perpendicular to the ground, but always deflecting a bit to the 'north'.

(*)assuming the distribution is radially symmetric; if it isn't, gravity would look even weirder.

 

[contratodo]

However the rotation of the equatorial mount only moves on one axis. The other axis is locked according to the latitude of the specific location where the mount is located.

It would only need one axis to move with what it is trying to see. In that video the telescope is following the sun that is moving far away from it,
to the point where the telescope rotates all the way down when there is no more sun light. The sun on the next day, completing its rotation and coming back around, the telescope picks up the light from the morning and turns back around.
What it is doing is following the light of the moving sun.

That the sun is a local light in the sky is proven by the spread out rays it casts down threw the clouds.
We can fly over and around the sun.

 

[Ophiolite]

It would help a bit if it were a long cylinder instead of a thin disk, but no matter what, the center of mass is going to lie on that vertical 'north pole' axis, so anywhere away from the North Pole, the local 'down' direction won't be perpendicular to the ground, but always deflecting a bit to the 'north'.

What if the cylinder extended to infinity? Would that make the differences so small they would approach zero asymptotically and be practically undetectable? I'm not trying to provide comfort to FE believers, just curious. Obviously the cylinder could not actually extend to infinity, since that would leave no room for the elephants!

 

[Phil G]

It would only need one axis to move with what it is trying to see. In that video the telescope is following the sun that is moving far away from it,
to the point where the telescope rotates all the way down when there is no more sun light. The sun on the next day, completing its rotation and coming back around, the telescope picks up the light from the morning and turns back around.
What it is doing is following the light of the moving sun.

That the sun is a local light in the sky is proven by the spread out rays it casts down threw the clouds.
We can fly over and around the sun.

No again. For starters the sun would have to both appear to get smaller AND slow down as it moved 'far away', just as a car appears to get smaller and slow down as it moves away. This doesn't happen with the sun. The sun is always the same diameter and the mount always moves at the same speed to keep track of it. Also if the sun moves in the way you claim, two axes are needed to track it as well as variable speed.

 

[contratodo]

Doesn't water require a container?
IF so, what's containing all that water outside the dome?

Nothing.
The water outside is hung on nothing, is eternally deep and eternally wide and is being eternally filled.

In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth.
Now, the earth was without form and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep,
and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Genesis 1:1-2 [ 1451 Guttenburg ]

 

[Ophiolite]

The water outside is hung on nothing, is eternally deep and eternally wide and is being eternally filled.

Where is it eternally emptying?

 

[contratodo]

For starters the sun would have to both appear to get smaller AND slow down as it moved 'far away', just as a car appears to get smaller and slow down as it moves away. This doesn't happen with the sun.

In a Bible based flat earth model that is exactly what happens with the sun.
The sun moves in a large circle above us, from one end of the sky to the other [Psalms 19:5-6] it appears to rise and set due to perspective,
similar to cars or anything we see going far away from us.

 

[essentialsaltes]

What if the cylinder extended to infinity? Would that make the differences so small they would approach zero asymptotically and be practically undetectable? I'm not trying to provide comfort to FE believers, just curious. Obviously the cylinder could not actually extend to infinity, since that would leave no room for the elephants!

I considered that, and I think the problem there (don't quote me as gospel as this is some half remembered information and a little physics intuition) is that it changes the situation in such a way that the inverse square law no longer works. Gravity would go like 1/R instead of 1/R^2. So it might help the direction of gravity, but measuring gravity at different elevations would show a difference from reality.

 

[contratodo]

Where is it eternally emptying?

It is not emptying it is filling, filling down and out, we are under the dome that is above the waters,
above us is the city of Almighty God from which the water flows.
Outside of the dome is light and the eternal ocean,
the dome itself is cloaked with darkness [ Isaiah 50:3 ]