The Music Thread

Joe67 · Feb 10, 2011

Ps 148:7
7 Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:.. KJV

The understanding of Psalm 150 and this testimony of Psalm 148 are in unity.

Joe

Byfaithalone1 · Feb 22, 2011

A little case study to stimulate some more discussion:

It's sabbath morning and you've entered your local SDA church, ready to worship. You scan the bulletin and you see that your pastor has picked your favorite hymns. The organist begins the opening strains of Crown Him With Many Crowns and you lift your hymnal, ready to sing. As the song progresses, the person in the pew in front of you begins singing louder than you. Ultimately, he raises his hands high over his head as he sings.

What would you do?

BFA

Joe67 · Feb 22, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
A little case study to stimulate some more discussion:
It's sabbath morning and you've entered your local SDA church, ready to worship. You scan the bulletin and you see that your pastor has picked your favorite hymns. The organist begins the opening strains of Crown Him With Many Crowns and you lift your hymnal, ready to sing. As the song progresses, the person in the pew in front of you begins singing louder than you. Ultimately, he raises his hands high over his head as he sings.

What would you do?

BFA

BFA,

We will do whatever the Spirit from God puts into our hearts to do.

Some will praise the Lord by the Spirit of Jesus, like David as he played his harp for king Saul.

Some will curse their brother by the evil Spirit from the Lord, like Saul did when he threw his javelin at David.

God prepares some for glory.

Eph 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. KJV

God prepares some for destruction by sending them a lying, murderous Spirit like he did king Ahab and king Saul.

Joe

Byfaithalone1 · Feb 22, 2011

Joe67 said:
Some will praise the Lord by the Spirit of Jesus, like David as he played his harp for king Saul.

True. I would hope that this is my response.

Some will curse their brother by the evil Spirit from the Lord, like Saul did when he threw his javelin at David.

Sadly, also true. The javelin may be in the form of an unkind expression or word.

BFA

Joe67 · Feb 23, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
True. I would hope that this is my response.

Sadly, also true. The javelin may be in the form of an unkind expression or word.

BFA

BFA,

Acts 2:37
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? KJV

Acts 5:33
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them. KJV

Acts 7:54
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. KJV

Those communications that do not prick or cut us to the heart are not of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, the holy One of Israel.

The communications that do not prick or cut are old wives tales and/or vain janglings; which is food for hogs and dogs. These communications that are food for hogs and dogs are from the other Jesus that teach another gospel whereby we are lulled to sleep while still in our sins.

Joe

Byfaithalone1 · Feb 23, 2011

Joe67 said:
BFA,

Acts 2:37
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? KJV

Acts 5:33
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them. KJV

Acts 7:54
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. KJV

Those communications that do not prick or cut us to the heart are not of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, the holy One of Israel.

The communications that do not prick or cut are old wives tales and/or vain janglings; which is food for hogs and dogs. These communications that are food for hogs and dogs are from the other Jesus that teach another gospel whereby we are lulled to sleep while still in our sins.

Joe

Should we fell compelled to prick the heart of others for raising their hands? Why would we want to? What is David's point of view in Psalm 143?

BFA

Princessdi · Feb 23, 2011

Keep singing and praising for myself. because it must be a usual Spirit-filled Sabbath service at my church. LOL!!

Byfaithalone1 said:
A little case study to stimulate some more discussion:

It's sabbath morning and you've entered your local SDA church, ready to worship. You scan the bulletin and you see that your pastor has picked your favorite hymns. The organist begins the opening strains of Crown Him With Many Crowns and you lift your hymnal, ready to sing. As the song progresses, the person in the pew in front of you begins singing louder than you. Ultimately, he raises his hands high over his head as he sings.

What would you do?

BFA

Joe67 · Feb 24, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
Should we fell compelled to prick the heart of others for raising their hands? Why would we want to? What is David's point of view in Psalm 143?

BFA

BFA,

It is good to lift up holy hands, to greet each other with a holy kiss and for the widows to wash the feet of the saints.

Joe

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 1, 2011

Are there any instruments that should not be used in the context of worship?

BFA

Princessdi · Mar 2, 2011

This looks like it covers most every instrument. So the short answer is "no".

3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Joe67 · Mar 2, 2011

Princessdi said:
This looks like it covers most every instrument. So the short answer is "no".

3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Princessdi,

I read the entire Psalm 150 again. The Lord is our God.

Praise him "in"...

Praise him "for"...

Praise him "with"...

Praise him "upon"...

There is some strong meat in those conditions.

And then the last part that everything that has breath should praise him.

This is overwhelming. It lifts us up from off our face.

Joe

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 2, 2011

Joe67 said:
Princessdi,

I read the entire Psalm 150 again. The Lord is our God.

Praise him "in"...

Praise him "for"...

Praise him "with"...

Praise him "upon"...

There is some strong meat in those conditions.

And then the last part that everything that has breath should praise him.

This is overwhelming. It lifts us up from off our face.

Joe

It is certainly more meaty than the mere methods we use to praise him (whether through music or gratitude or prayer -- or even the beats per minute, instruments used or syncopation). Sometimes, there can be much ado about such things, but there's often little or no Biblical basis for the rules we place around worship. The reality is this -- the things that lift us up from off our face may vary. And that's entirely OK.

BFA

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 2, 2011

Princessdi said:
This looks like it covers most every instrument. So the short answer is "no".

3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

I agree.

Here, we have brass, wind, strings and percussion. The vast majority of our modern instruments fit within these classifications. All are permissible in the context of worship.

BFA

Joe67 · Mar 3, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
It is certainly more meaty than the mere methods we use to praise him (whether through music or gratitude or prayer -- or even the beats per minute, instruments used or syncopation). Sometimes, there can be much ado about such things, but there's often little or no Biblical basis for the rules we place around worship. The reality is this -- the things that lift us up from off our face may vary. And that's entirely OK.

BFA

BFA,

The consideration of the liberty in Christ in regard to "things" becomes vain when disconnected from the eternal purpose of God's way in the sufferings of Jesus Christ and his Body.

Joe

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 3, 2011

Joe67 said:
BFA,

The consideration of the liberty in Christ in regard to "things" becomes vain when disconnected from the eternal purpose of God's way in the sufferings of Jesus Christ and his Body.

Joe

Perhaps. And yet these questions arise. Perhaps it's not so bad to consider them and reach our own conclusions.

BFA

Joe67 · Mar 3, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
Perhaps. And yet these questions arise. Perhaps it's not so bad to consider them and reach our own conclusions.

BFA

BFA,

Yes, that is why the Lord led Paul to include experience as a vital ingredient in the chain of salvation.

Rom 5:3-5
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. KJV

Faith, grace, tribulations, patience, experience and hope. The result is that the love of God which makes its entrance into our hearts by faith, is shed abroad ( all 4 corners of our spiritual heart ) in our hearts by the gift of the the holy Spirit unto us in God's works of grace.

Joe

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 9, 2011

OK. Another question in this same topic:

Q: When considering hymns or praise choruses, does God have a preference?

BFA

P.S. I define "praise choruses" as worship songs written within the past 30 years that may have a bit more current sound, may minimize the use of "thees" and "thous" and may include a more syncopated rhythm. Examples range from "Open Our Eyes" to "Mighty to Praise."

Joe67 · Mar 9, 2011

Byfaithalone1 said:
OK. Another question in this same topic:
Q: When considering hymns or praise choruses, does God have a preference?

BFA

P.S. I define "praise choruses" as worship songs written within the past 30 years that may have a bit more current sound, may minimize the use of "thees" and "thous" and may include a more syncopated rhythm. Examples range from "Open Our Eyes" to "Mighty to Praise."

BFA,

They should be sung, not only with the spirit, but with understanding through knowledge and wisdom.

When the same information is repeated more than three times, the understanding diminishes.

Joe

Princessdi · Mar 9, 2011

...and who, exactly, told you this lie?

Joe67 said:
When the same information is repeated more than three times, the understanding diminishes.

Joe

Byfaithalone1 · Mar 10, 2011

Princessdi said:
...and who, exactly, told you this lie?

Honestly, I would truly love to know the source of this oft repeated myth. All the critics agree that David's psalms were built upon repetitive phrases. God has not placed a limit on the use of repetitive phrases. We may have personal preferences in this area -- and that's certainly OK -- but these opinions probably only have relevance to the one with the preference.

BFA

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