The most hated command of Jesus... (video)

[DrBubbaLove]

Thanks to everyone who watched and posted. There's been a variety of responses, from appreciative to intense anger. I look forward to more constructive comments regarding the content of the video.

Constructive - OK - take it down.

 

[Cindy4HIM]

Hi all. Here's another video. It's roughly 22 minutes long, but the last 3 minutes are a song. It's here in the controversial section for a reason, so be prepared for some pretty shocking observations. I look forward to some stimulating debate!

I don't watch stuff like this, sorry. But to me, it doesn't matter if something is hated that Jesus teaches. We worry too much, in my opinion, about whats coming next.. I'm trying to just be obedient each day. "Today has enough worries of it's own" I believe Jesus taught.. so just worry about today, tomorrow will take care of it's self. Love God, Love your neighbor, it was called by Jesus as the greatest commandments to aspire too. I try to do this daily...and work on my obedience. Thats enough for me

 

[miknik5]

Forsake everything....Sounds like a lot of work to me.

Paul said in Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace are ye SAVED through faith; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

Mathew 26:6-13 Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, there came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat. But when his disciples saw it they had indignation, saying, to what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. When Jesus understood it, he said onto them, why trouble ye the woman? For she hath wrought a good work upon me. For ye have the poor always with you: but me ye have not always. For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial. Verily I say unto you, WHERESOEVER "THIS GOSPEL" SHALL BE PREACHED IN THE WHOLE WORLD, THERE SHALL ALSO BE THIS, THAT THIS WOMAN HATH DONE, BE TOLD FOR A MEMORIAL OF HER.

Paul must have really messed up. He had plenty of opportunity in the 13 books that he wrote but he never told of Mary and her alabaster box. Direct violation of what Jesus said in Mathew 26:13.

Maybe Paul didn't mess up. Maybe there is more than one gospel. Gospel of the Kingdom? Gospel of the grace of God?

ONE GOSPEL
ONE TESTIMONY
ONE TRUTH
ONE SHEPHERD
ONE FOUNDATION
ONE BODY
ONE FLOCK
ONE BAPTISM
ONE DOOR

I'm not sure there is any more than THE ONE

THE GOSPEL was preached by more than Paul and Mary's good work was recorded

Let's not forget that THE GOSPEL wasn't to point men to Mary or to Paul

 

[ToBeLoved]

Seems almost unanimous

 

[littlebopeek]

Hi all. Here's another video. It's roughly 22 minutes long, but the last 3 minutes are a song. It's here in the controversial section for a reason, so be prepared for some pretty shocking observations. I look forward to some stimulating debate!

First off, I want to tell you that i not only had no problem with this video, this elephant in the room as was illustrated at the end of the video is EXACTLY why I rejected Christianity and Christendom for more than 30 years. You mentioned how often Jesus spoke of it, which got me reflecting on another thing in regards to this, a topic I think he may even have spoken of more - Hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is the flip side of this coin so to speak. Jesus gave these commands and he knew - he KNEW - how challenging it would be to follow them... He KNEW hypocrites would test His followers and he prophesied about the success they would have, as demonstrated in your video. I am very new to studying the bible and I am struggling with what seem to be so many "interpretations" of scriptures, as tho the words themselves aren't enough. It seems like some people forget these verses were recorded to be read to a population that was mostly illiterate and spiritually misguided - meaning Jesus' gospel and his disciples' ministries were revolutionary but they were not meant to be difficult to comprehend. They were meant to quickly and easily explain concepts to a wide variety of COMMON people. It's one of the reasons why Jesus used so many illustrations, sometimes more than one for any given topic. SO IT COULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE AS IT WAS RECORDED. NOT AS SCHOLARS AND MYSTICS INTERPRET IT. The bible is about as far from mystical as you can get. I say this as one who has explored almost every path imaginable. God and His Son tell us VERY plainly how to worship, what we need to do to to follow them and what THEY will do in return. It's meant to bring peace of mind, not confusion and false doctrines...also clearly forewarned more than once: 2 Co 11:4, Ro 16:17.

So anyways, I loved this. I do want to ask what your view is on "forsake". Total communal living and barter system? Or forsaking meaning not attached to, willing to part with, focusing on simplifying etc. Do you believe true disciples need to basically be wandering monks or do you think one can apply the principle and still function as part of the existing society at large? I look forward to your reply, I plan on watching more videos for sure! I love the youtube account name and stated reason/purpose as well. Give glory where it's due

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Hi all. Here's another video. It's roughly 22 minutes long, but the last 3 minutes are a song. It's here in the controversial section for a reason, so be prepared for some pretty shocking observations. I look forward to some stimulating debate!

video has a few solid points such as people abusing God knows your heart and not putting God first..... but I feel the video goes to far. I mean you gotta go to work most of the time. Also I don't like the assumption made that all churches are false... sure a preponderance of them are but not all of them. Also the only reason they sold all their stuff in the bible is because they thought he was coming straight up... they were like "hey we got the holy ghost now he's coming back today or next week". He doesn't want us to be dead broke.. to where we die and can't even survive to reach other people.


But Yeah video had some solid points but too extreme.

 

[Romansthruphilemon]

The video in post 1 is definitely teaching works salvation. It is absolutely a false gospel!

What do you do with the differences in the Bible?

Compare Acts 10:35 with Romans 4:5. (Both in the New Testament)

(Peter)
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

(Paul)
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Both of these verses are New Testament but they are saying exactly the opposite thing. One says you have to work for righteousness (right standing with God), the other says believe only.

Which one is true? They both are true they just have to be rightly divided (2 Timothy 2:15). Paul is our Apostle, Peter is preaching to the Jews. Paul said in Galatians 2:7,8,9 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision (that's you and me, Gentiles) was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision (that's the Jews, not you and me) was unto Peter. For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: And when James, Ce'phas (Peter), and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen (Gentiles, that would be you and me during this time), and they unto the circumcision.

So what Galatians 2:7,8,9 is saying is that Paul is your Apostle and Peter, James and John are to the Jews. So when there is a difference in doctrine (remember the Jews were under the law and we are not) you have to know who is speaking and who is being spoken to or you will have the wrong doctrine. It's all true, it's just not all TO YOU. It's written for your learning.

Now here's the part that is going to be really hard for some of you. Romans 14:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Right there in Romans 14:8 it's showing that Jesus Christ in his earthly ministry was dealing with the Jews under the law. Further more, your Apostle, Paul tells us 2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The risen Lord is speaking to you today through your Apostle, Paul. Satan is laughing when he can get you to ignore Paul (saved by grace through faith, not of works) and get you onto the red letters (Christ's earthly ministry to the circumcision) and have you working for your salvation. Denying yourself to be saved,repenting of sin to be saved, forsaking all Satans salvation plan for you.

God's salvation plan for you today in the dispensation of the grace of God:

Romans 1:16 the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes

The gospel is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again.

There is no works required or mixed in to be saved. Works come AFTER salvation. It's your reasonable service but has nothing to do with getting saved. Romans 11:6, Romans 4:4,5, Ephesians 2:8,9, Titus 3:5

You have to 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Truthtimeradio.com helped me to rightly divide I highly recommend the website and YouTube videos.

To those of you that don't rightly divide and want to put people under the law, saying that you have to do works for salvation, what do you do with the verses in Paul that say it's not of works? I know - you ignore them.

 

[miknik5]

First off, I want to tell you that i not only had no problem with this video, this elephant in the room as was illustrated at the end of the video is EXACTLY why I rejected Christianity and Christendom for more than 30 years. You mentioned how often Jesus spoke of it, which got me reflecting on another thing in regards to this, a topic I think he may even have spoken of more - Hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is the flip side of this coin so to speak. Jesus gave these commands and he knew - he KNEW - how challenging it would be to follow them... He KNEW hypocrites would test His followers and he prophesied about the success they would have, as demonstrated in your video. I am very new to studying the bible and I am struggling with what seem to be so many "interpretations" of scriptures, as tho the words themselves aren't enough. It seems like some people forget these verses were recorded to be read to a population that was mostly illiterate and spiritually misguided - meaning Jesus' gospel and his disciples' ministries were revolutionary but they were not meant to be difficult to comprehend. They were meant to quickly and easily explain concepts to a wide variety of COMMON people. It's one of the reasons why Jesus used so many illustrations, sometimes more than one for any given topic. SO IT COULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE AS IT WAS RECORDED. NOT AS SCHOLARS AND MYSTICS INTERPRET IT. The bible is about as far from mystical as you can get. I say this as one who has explored almost every path imaginable. God and His Son tell us VERY plainly how to worship, what we need to do to to follow them and what THEY will do in return. It's meant to bring peace of mind, not confusion and false doctrines...also clearly forewarned more than once: 2 Co 11:4, Ro 16:17.

So anyways, I loved this. I do want to ask what your view is on "forsake". Total communal living and barter system? Or forsaking meaning not attached to, willing to part with, focusing on simplifying etc. Do you believe true disciples need to basically be wandering monks or do you think one can apply the principle and still function as part of the existing society at large? I look forward to your reply, I plan on watching more videos for sure! I love the youtube account name and stated reason/purpose as well. Give glory where it's due

Yes
Give glory where it's due

 

[Romansthruphilemon]

 

[Your Alli]

Hi all. Here's another video. It's roughly 22 minutes long, but the last 3 minutes are a song. It's here in the controversial section for a reason, so be prepared for some pretty shocking observations. I look forward to some stimulating debate!

Similar to the video, if Christ whose earthly name is Jesus is your Lord refrain from repeatedly mentioning His name ... Use Christ, use The Lord.

As to the video,

Simply version.
Only God gives and sustains life. So everyone alive has God in them. (life)

So the eye of a believer must not see wealth or earthly things first, rather see God (love, peace, humility etc) within each person, first.
Then we interact with one another the way The Father desires.

When we all don't, your immediate body feels the weight of breaking the above command from Christ.

Now I inforce this verse as to why the body is affected ..?

Found in
Matthew 24:35
Mark 13:31
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:33‬

“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.”

So the above passage states, disobedience to the most hated command of Christ, means an affected body, an affected body limits your immediate desire to life.
God the Father accepts your disobedience (He who lives in all of us) and limits your life span over the course of time because the words of Christ will and shall remain forever.

Your Alli

 

[miknik5]

Similar to the video, if Christ whose earthly name is Jesus is your Lord refrain from repeatedly mentioning His name ... Use Christ, use The Lord.

As to the video,

Simply version.
Only God gives and sustains life. So everyone alive has God in them. (life)

So the eye of a believer must not see wealth or earthly things first, rather see God (love, peace, humility etc) within each person, first.
Then we interact with one another the way The Father desires.

When we all don't, your immediate body feels the weight of breaking the above command from Christ.

Now I inforce this verse as to why the body is affected ..?

Found in
Matthew 24:35
Mark 13:31
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:33‬

“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.”

So the above passage states, disobedience to the most hated command of Christ, means an affected body, an affected body limits your immediate desire to life.
God the Father accepts your disobedience (He who lives in all of us) and limits your life span over the course of time because the words of Christ will and shall remain forever.

Your Alli

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying

 

[Romansthruphilemon]

 

[Endtime Survivors]

So anyways, I loved this. I do want to ask what your view is on "forsake". Total communal living and barter system? Or forsaking meaning not attached to, willing to part with, focusing on simplifying etc. Do you believe true disciples need to basically be wandering monks or do you think one can apply the principle and still function as part of the existing society at large? I look forward to your reply, I plan on watching more videos for sure! I love the youtube account name and stated reason/purpose as well. Give glory where it's due

Hi LBP. Thanks for that very passionate post and for asking good questions. The issue behind forsaking all is meant to deal with a spiritual principle. Jesus said a lot about greed and our relationship to materialism. I believe God wants us to enjoy the physical things of life, but that we humans invariably tend to abuse our relationship with the physical once we've had some time to enjoy it.

Forsaking all is meant to put us in a place where we can step back and more clearly examine what's really important in life. Jesus didn't forbid the use of material things; that would be silly. But he does want us to question the feeling that causes us to want to say, "This is mine" instead of sharing.

Sharing is the backbone of the kingdom of Heaven. God shared this world, his life, and his love with us. We should also be sharing with one another. That's what makes communal life so appealing. Let the church own the material goods and the members of the church use them as the church sees fit. If an individual is not willing to let go of their personal attachments, then that will only work against greater unity in the church.

I look forward to hearing more comments from you.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Thanks for this helpful contribution, Jgoat.

I mean you gotta go to work most of the time.

Regarding the issue of work, the idea is that we are meant to be working for love. So the issue will never be about working vs not working, but rather why we work. God wants us doing it because we want to help our neighbor, and not because we're afraid that we'll die if we don't get something out of the deal.

I understand your concern. In this monetary system it seems impossible that someone could work for love and survive, but isn't that all the more reason to stand up and do something about it now? How did we come to live in a world where working for love seems ridiculous or some kind of impossible fantasy? What a sad testimony from the creations of a God of love.

Also I don't like the assumption made that all churches are false... sure a preponderance of them are but not all of them.

So what can we do to deal with the preponderance? That is what the world sees.

Also the only reason they sold all their stuff in the bible is because they thought he was coming straight up... they were like "hey we got the holy ghost now he's coming back today or next week".

If the only example of forsaking all we had was the church in Acts after Jesus ascended, then your case would be stronger, but the video shows that this teaching was found all throughout the gospels. This was before they even understood that he was to die on the cross, much less that he would come back for them afterwards.

Besides, if you really believed Jesus was coming back and everything would change, what would be the point of selling everything? The record says that the people gave the money to the apostles and it was used according to each person's need. Sharing. That's the point behind the teaching. That some people could become so intensely angry at the concept of greater sharing is precisely why the command is so important to begin with.

He doesn't want us to be dead broke.. to where we die and can't even survive to reach other people.

Check out Acts 4:34-35. Does this strike you as desperate, dead-broke people? What I'm hearing from you is a lot of fear, and I don't blame you for that. The world has been taught for years that we should be afraid of living without money, that money makes the world go round, that money is what gives life (i.e. earning a living).

The church world in general has been largely ineffectual in dealing with this fear because they too have benefited from the greed that thrives in it.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

I'm trying to just be obedient each day.

Yes, obedience is what the video highlights as well. Jesus said that we cannot be his disciple if we do not forsake all that we have. The video actually makes a really good case for applying this teaching. What did you think of the reasons listed in the video?

 

[Endtime Survivors]

On a practical note I believe that the bible also speaks about working with our hands to make money for ourselves so that we wont be a burden to others

Hi Peter. Thanks for the post and the encouragement. Can you quote the verse so we can rightly divide the meaning?

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Forsake everything....Sounds like a lot of work to me.

Thanks for the post, RTP. Here's some encouragement for you. Galatians 6:9

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Thanks for this helpful contribution, Jgoat.



Regarding the issue of work, the idea is that we are meant to be working for love. So the issue will never be about working vs not working, but rather why we work. God wants us doing it because we want to help our neighbor, and not because we're afraid that we'll die if we don't get something out of the deal.

I understand your concern. In this monetary system it seems impossible that someone could work for love and survive, but isn't that all the more reason to stand up and do something about it now? How did we come to live in a world where working for love seems ridiculous or some kind of impossible fantasy? What a sad testimony from the creations of a God of love.



So what can we do to deal with the preponderance? That is what the world sees.



If the only example of forsaking all we had was the church in Acts after Jesus ascended, then your case would be stronger, but the video shows that this teaching was found all throughout the gospels. This was before they even understood that he was to die on the cross, much less that he would come back for them afterwards.

Besides, if you really believed Jesus was coming back and everything would change, what would be the point of selling everything? The record says that the people gave the money to the apostles and it was used according to each person's need. Sharing. That's the point behind the teaching. That some people could become so intensely angry at the concept of greater sharing is precisely why the command is so important to begin with.



Check out Acts 4:34-35. Does this strike you as desperate, dead-broke people? What I'm hearing from you is a lot of fear, and I don't blame you for that. The world has been taught for years that we should be afraid of living without money, that money makes the world go round, that money is what gives life (i.e. earning a living).

The church world in general has been largely ineffectual in dealing with this fear because they too have benefited from the greed that thrives in it.

Regarding the issue of work, the idea is that we are meant to be working for love. So the issue will never be about working vs not working, but rather why we work. God wants us doing it because we want to help our neighbor, and not because we're afraid that we'll die if we don't get something out of the deal.

My Response: Well if you don't work you die... so logically part of the reason we work is to not die. YOu can try to work your away around it but you can't deny that truth. JESUS says man shall not live by bread alone sure...but he said bread alone not bread, which means we need to live by bread along with something else... We work so we don't die.


So what can we do to deal with the preponderance? That is what the world sees.

My Response: not much we can do our part of spreading the truth though, based off the bible it will always be this way and it was even during the days of acts.




If the only example of forsaking all we had was the church in Acts after Jesus ascended, then your case would be stronger, but the video shows that this teaching was found all throughout the gospels. This was before they even understood that he was to die on the cross, much less that he would come back for them afterwards.Besides, if you really believed Jesus was coming back and everything would change, what would be the point of selling everything?

My Response: I'm not saying this teaching of giving what you have for JESUS isn't true, but rather the people of acts gave it all because they suspected JESUS was coming soon. JESUS showed with the rich man that we must be willing to give it all...but JESUS also shows with people like David that he can reward people as well, and it's not his will for everyone to be in poverty. He has a position for each individual economically to reach individuals. Honestly i'm not sure what why they sold everything, even if I suspected he was coming tomorrow would just keep my house and chill and wait tbh. But hey the bible says they did it and it indicates it was becuase of that reason. God was informing them through the NT no one knows the day or the hour to try and inform them of this.



Check out Acts 4:34-35. Does this strike you as desperate, dead-broke people? What I'm hearing from you is a lot of fear, and I don't blame you for that. The world has been taught for years that we should be afraid of living without money, that money makes the world go round, that money is what gives life (i.e. earning a living).

My response: Nope becuase they believed JESUS was coming soon, if you're sure in your mind he's coming next week or the next day why feel desperate? But we know better... that it's been 2000 years so we manage our income and ensure we have enough money, becuase we know when he comes isn't certain. And money does make the world go round after God.... this is a world of materialism and sin, money matters here.


And what you call fear I call not being stupid. IT's good to manage your money.

 

[miknik5]

In your forsaking material trinkets, are you storing up true treasure in Heaven

Hi LBP. Thanks for that very passionate post and for asking good questions. The issue behind forsaking all is meant to deal with a spiritual principle. Jesus said a lot about greed and our relationship to materialism. I believe God wants us to enjoy the physical things of life, but that we humans invariably tend to abuse our relationship with the physical once we've had some time to enjoy it.

Forsaking all is meant to put us in a place where we can step back and more clearly examine what's really important in life. Jesus didn't forbid the use of material things; that would be silly. But he does want us to question the feeling that causes us to want to say, "This is mine" instead of sharing.

Sharing is the backbone of the kingdom of Heaven. God shared this world, his life, and his love with us. We should also be sharing with one another. That's what makes communal life so appealing. Let the church own the material goods and the members of the church use them as the church sees fit. If an individual is not willing to let go of their personal attachments, then that will only work against greater unity in the church.

I look forward to hearing more comments from you.

You don't know yet what is more important?

 

[miknik5]

The "rich young man" if he gave away all his treasures would still be very poor if he did not come to the revelation between the difference in treasure(s) and TREASURE