The morality of marijuana.

Pot makes you giggle and eat. It does not turn you into a loser, people that are losers and smoke pot would be losers without the pot.

There's nothing wrong with smoking a joint after a hard day's work. It's when you start smoking pot before work or obligations that you are *abusing* it, not using it.

Superpants said:

the health benefits of wine and beer are over-rated. dark chocolate is much better for your heart than wine. alcohol (ethyl alcohol, the type found in beer, wine, etc.) is a toxic solvent.

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Moderate drinkers live between three and ten years longer than non-drinkers. The mortality rate is reduced between 20-25% in men. A Harvard study shows moderate drinkers to have a 37% lower rate of coronary disease. They also have half the risk of stroke as non-drinkers, and a recent French study has shown daily drinking to reduce the risk of Alzheimers by 75%, and senile dementia by 80%. Moderate drinking has many, many more health benefits than just reducing heart disease.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/AlcoholAndHealth.html

Amplify said:

Maybe I can help you out as someone who smoked dope for breakfast for about 10 years. There's a reason they call it dope my friend. It makes you one. You know that verse about how everything is permitted but not everything is beneficial? Bingo. I lost 10 years of my life searching for something where it wasn't. If you have some kind of cancer and need chemotherapy, it is a known medicine. If you have glaucoma, it is a known medicine. If you are bored or stupid or lazy, it is a known amplifier.

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How about this one... I took my ACT once and I got a 25 composite score, then I took the ACT while under the influence of marijuana and received a 33 composite score.

Lignoba said:

How about this one... I took my ACT once and I got a 25 composite score, then I took the ACT while under the influence of marijuana and received a 33 composite score.

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Exactly. Marijuana doesn't make you a dope. You make you a dope.

regarding the healthful effects of drinking:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4491314.stm

hey 12volt:

why is it you believe the bible prohibits use of this drug?

how is it that the mental effects of this drug are similar to drunkenness?

what is it about the mind-altering effects of this drug that are worse than those caused by other pain medications?

Superpants said:

regarding the healthful effects of drinking:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4491314.stm

hey 12volt:

why is it you believe the bible prohibits use of this drug?

how is it that the mental effects of this drug are similar to drunkenness?

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I've already answered both of these questions more than once for you.

what is it about the mind-altering effects of this drug that are worse than those caused by other pain medications?

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First of all, pot isn't a "pain medication". That it can be used that way may be a pleasant side effect of the drug, but that doesn't mean that that is it's purpose.

Second, assuming that pain medications have these mind altering effects, I believe that there is a world of difference between taking something to control pain and taking something recreationally.

First of all, pot isn't a "pain medication". That it can be used that way may be a pleasant side effect of the drug, but that doesn't mean that that is it's purpose.

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Millions of people use it for that reason alone, not to mention the various other medicinal "side-effects".

A good joint is stronger than any Ibuprofen, and much more fun.

12volt_man said:

First of all, pot isn't a "pain medication".

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Because...you say so?

I think you should get in the habit of justifying your statements about drugs

Second, assuming that pain medications have these mind altering effects

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Are you familiar with a class of drugs called opioids?

I would say that for a Christian in the USA smoking pot would clearly be immoral because it is a wholely unnecessary breaking of the country's laws. However, if it were legal then the debate that's currently being had would be relevant. That debate also relates to the morality of a Christian voting for a candidate who might be a proponent of legalized marijuana.

For a non-christian, recreational marijuana use is no more or perhaps less destructive than recreational alcholol use. It being illegal in many places is ridiculous. It annoys me greatly that there are so many people harrassed and/or in jail for recreational marijuana use. That should be no more anyone else's business than recreational alcohol use.

Btw 12voltman, you've been asked 3 or 4 times for specific verses pertaining to the immorality of marijuana (based on intoxication in general). You've yet to provide them. Are you ever going to or is there some reason that you have chosen not to?

12volt_man said:

I've already answered both of these questions more than once for you.



First of all, pot isn't a "pain medication". That it can be used that way may be a pleasant side effect of the drug, but that doesn't mean that that is it's purpose.

Second, assuming that pain medications have these mind altering effects, I believe that there is a world of difference between taking something to control pain and taking something recreationally.

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according to the american medical association, it is a pain medication. prove me otherwise.

nociception. prostiglandins. lipid-affinity. stereoisometry. hepatotoxicity. enkephalin. have you heard of any of these terms, or the thousand more that would have to be understood in order to appreciate, in basic terms, the mechanisms by which drugs interact with the body? yet, i suppose you know best.

what do you mean by "...assuming that pain medications have...mind altering effects...?" granted, not all of them do (like aspirin), but many, many, many do. to even post such a statement shows know knowledge of medications used to alleviate suffering.

and finally, you have not answered the questions i had posed "more than once." you rambled on about how marijuana use is the same as alcohol intoxication in reference to the bible (how so? i was asking you to explain this). you mentioned the mental effects of marijuana as being comparable to those of alcohol (again, you answered nothing. you simply stated an unsupported claim).

you have not answered these questions at all, never mind "more than once."

some people can drink a glass of wine, and be ok. others can't control their drinking and become alcoholics. you had mentioned your sailing days, and having used this drug. apparently, you felt that the negative affects it was having on you outweighed the positive effects. in such a case, it's respectable that you stopped using it. many people engaged in self-destructive behaviour never change their ways. but your experiences, and the experiences of those you encountered (as valuable as they may be) don't make this behaviour negative for everyone that indulges in it. trying to head up a cutter in a storm after your outhaul has snapped is not an easy thing, yet people manage. i think this alone speaks to the differences between the use of marijuana and alcohol.

Or brains have cannabinoid receptors that the cannabinoids in pot are directly absorbed by. I think if the universe was intentionally designed then the fact that we have these receptors and the fact that the chemical that activates them in the brain is found as a naturally occurring plant that can be grown almost worldwide would indicate that we are supposed to use it. If God didn't want us to use marijuana why would we have both the plant and the specific receptors for it in our brains?