I would not say that. It's that God wants quality, there is a purpose for the gospel, to free from sin, in order to Glorify God. Modern evangelism says come to God He wI'll give you fulfillment and joy. Instead of pick up your cross and follow Him . Jesus never wanted believers only, He wanted followers.So you’re losing on purpose to free up space in Heaven? Ok then.
The atheists here were neither believers nor followers at the time you showed up. What do you think you have accomplished by representing your side so poorly?I would not say that. It's that God wants quality, there is a purpose for the gospel, to free from sin, in order to Glorify God. Modern evangelism says come to God He wI'll give you fulfillment and joy. Instead of pick up your cross and follow Him . Jesus never wanted believers only, He wanted followers.
welcome! join in on the debate.I have intentionally avoided this thread because of it's size. I only now opened it because I wondered how far off topic it is. We Christians have a large space to roam whereas the non Christians have but a small realm to monitor and get involved in stuff as it comes up. There is a lot we just miss. I personally feel it's disrespectful to bust into a thread without reading it through first, and I feel many of us roamers feel the same and so that may be why there are few of us here.
The atheists here were neither believers nor followers at the time you showed up. What do you think you have accomplished by representing your side so poorly?
So what do you think you have accomplished by representing your side so poorly?Oh I have only provided what the Bible says, I am just a messenger. I didn't write the message, I wish I would have, it's genius. But it would not have the same authority as God obviously.
Some individuals have no interest in thinking or weighing evidence. They consistently misrepresented arguments, offered genetic fallacies, refused to ground their view, and offer ad hominem attacks. As you put it, you offer "Logical debate," and some individuals responds with rhetorical flourish, personal attack, fallacious appeals. Why not just put them on "Ignore" rather than be dragged off topic and away from the argument?Oh I have only provided what the Bible says, I am just a messenger. I didn't write the message, I wish I would have, it's genius. But it would not have the same authority as God obviously.
As soon as you make headway they just start mocking, some in fact have told me that they have no reservations against mocking other people's viewpoints. It's not really about evidence for them, it's about not wanting to be accountable to God for their fornication, drunkenness, homosexuality, and inappropriate contentography.Some individuals have no interest in thinking or weighing evidence. They consistently misrepresented arguments, offered genetic fallacies, refused to ground their view, and offer ad hominem attacks. As you put it, you offer "Logical debate," and some individuals responds with rhetorical flourish, personal attack, fallacious appeals. Why not just put them on "Ignore" rather than be dragged off topic and away from the argument?
There are many serious arguments for atheists and theists to discuss without wasting time responding to the class clowns.
Well, he’s mentioned trying to weed out Christians who might deconvert when shown what they feel are bad arguments for the Christian god’s existence.So what do you think you have accomplished by representing your side so poorly?
being a christian is a win win situation, nearly every situation is a win win. You should try it. It's called believing God is on the throne, if someone deconverts, God is cleaning out the church, if someone gets saved God is expanding the church, God wins no matter what. God would rather have four quarters than a hundred pennies, He is into quality not quantity.Well, he’s mentioned trying to weed out Christians who might deconvert when shown what they feel are bad arguments for the Christian god’s existence.
So presumably he’s set up a win win situation for himself. If someone deconverts because of his arguments, great. And if someone converts because of his arguments, great.
What’s funny is that I can use the same reasoning to create a win win for myself. Although my ego doesn’t need that kind of thing...
I can only pray that my words are the words God has given me. The Bible clearly says they are not rejecting me, but the creator.So what do you think you have accomplished by representing your side so poorly?
Doing God’s work and the Devil’s work at the same timeWell, he’s mentioned trying to weed out Christians who might deconvert when shown what they feel are bad arguments for the Christian god’s existence.
So presumably he’s set up a win win situation for himself. If someone deconverts because of his arguments, great. And if someone converts because of his arguments, great.
What’s funny is that I can use the same reasoning to create a win win for myself. Although my ego doesn’t need that kind of thing...
If you’re wrong, you’re doing the devil’s work. Isn’t it safer not to bother?I can only pray that my words are the words God has given me. The Bible clearly says they are not rejecting me, but the creator.
If you’re wrong, you’re doing the devil’s work. Isn’t it safer not to bother?
So who’s to say he’s not disguising himself as a holy voice or guidance in your head?The Bible says resist the devil and he flees. He doesn't want anything to do with this. Our prayer and obedience wrecks his strong holds every day. But he is a formidable enemy, one to never underestimate.
So who’s to say he’s not disguising himself as a holy voice or guidance in your head?
OR... you only THINK you’re interpreting the Bible correctly when actually the Devil has simultaneously possessed you and convinced you you couldn’t possibly be possessed because you’re “saved.” Do not underestimate the Devil.the Bible says once you are saved that it is impossible to be possessed. And since I read the Bible daily and obey it as best I can, I can tell the difference between what satan says in my ear, versus God's truth. Sort of like when you work at a bank handling real cash all day every day, as soon as a counterfeit comes through, you can actually feel in it how the grains are in the paper. It just comes from being in the truth. If you read the Bible daily, it would affect you too. You too would start to see that God is real and that you have been living a lie.
I believe that I’ve mentioned several times that I was a Christian for many years until I realized I had no reason to be one.being a christian is a win win situation, nearly every situation is a win win. You should try it.
As soon as you make headway
OR... you only THINK you’re interpreting the Bible correctly when actually the Devil has simultaneously possessed you and convinced you you couldn’t possibly be possessed because you’re “saved.” Do not underestimate the Devil.
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