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The Miraculous Sun

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And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:14-18 NIV.

My friends, I just have to tell you what an incredible job God has done on our neighborhood star. The Sun is an amazing object, created in perfect equilibrium, to bless us with warmth and light. I’ve been reading a book; Stars, Their Birth, Life and Death by Iosif S. Shklovskii and I am here to tell you just how wonderful is that burning ball of gas we all know and love.

Stars start out in dense clouds of molecules. Space is not empty, it is full of stuff. Mostly the stuff is hydrogen, the most common element in the universe. But there is plenty of other stuff out there, and stars do not form around hydrogen, they form in dense, cold clouds of hydroxyl (OH). Related to water, hydroxyl sends out radio waves, which is how we know they exist. The cold temperatures and gravity cause more molecules to be drawn into the cloud. As more material is gathered the cloud starts to heat up and emits the radio signals that are the first evidence of a proto-star.

And thus we have the first miracle. As the cloud gathers more stuff, it creates more gravity. The higher gravity should cause the material to collapse in upon itself creating something other than a star. However, as gaseous material builds up it creates pressure and that pressure wants to push the molecules away. That would cause the proto-star to disburse. Instead the two forces come into balance, called hydrostatic equilibrium. Thus, our sun stays constant and unchanging, because God caused the cosmic forces at work to be in balance.

The second miracle is the production of heat and light. Our blazing ball of gas would either not give us enough heat and light or would burn out if all it did was produce these elements through pressure. Our Sun needed to ignite the internal fire of thermonuclear radiation. When the heat and pressure of the core of our sun reached a certain level, nuclear reactions commenced. With thermonuclear reactions heating ongoing, our sun can radiate heat and light for a very long time, which is good for us. Here’s the real miracle. The hydrogen atoms in our Sun do not posses enough energy to fuse and create radiation because of the Coulomb Barrier. This barrier is the reason I can’t put my hand through the table in front of me. The energy field around electrons won’t allow it. If the hydrogen in our Sun had enough energy to pass the barrier, our Sun would have burned out a long time ago. However, a very small amount of hydrogen does posses enough energy to pass through the barrier and fuse. Just enough to create just enough heat and light with just enough hydrogen fuel left over to keep the Sun going for a long, long time. Miraculous!

The third miracle involves the limits to the production of heat and light. Despite the Coulomb Barrier, our Sun produces so much energy in its core, that if all of that energy were released we would be burned to a crisp. However, the Sun reabsorbs the energy before most of it can pass through the many layers and into space. The Sun has heavy elements within it, some were created by thermonuclear reactions and others gathered in from space during its formation. These heavy elements regulate our star to release just the right amount of radiation to heat our world without turning us all into little strips of fried bacon. Isn’t that amazing!

With this brief description, I hope you can see what an incredible miracle the Sun truly is. I praise God for it, and I hope that you will as well.

“God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.”

God bless you,

Pastor Bill
 

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So miracles are in effect laws of physics as we currently understand them?

The miracle of gravity pulled the water down into my house today, along the pipes that lead it here form the local mountains. It filled the pipes in my house, and allows for my flush-toilets to work.

With this brief description, I hope you can see what an incredible miracle gravity truly is. I praise God for it, and I hope that you will as well.

:preach::doh:
 
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I think you need to look up the definition of miracle. You are misapplying it. Also, you don't seem to have mentioned the lesser light at all. You might enjoy working out whether the authors of the Bible thought the moon generated its own light (clue: they did).

And are you really a pastor? Maybe you are used to your congregation being unfamiliar with this material, but a science literate audience, although thrilled with your excitement at your newly acquired knowledge, will be a little less excited about your crude shoehorning of God and miracles in where they don't belong.
 
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And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:14-18 NIV.

My friends, I just have to tell you what an incredible job God has done on our neighborhood star. The Sun is an amazing object, created in perfect equilibrium, to bless us with warmth and light. I’ve been reading a book; Stars, Their Birth, Life and Death by Iosif S. Shklovskii and I am here to tell you just how wonderful is that burning ball of gas we all know and love.

Stars start out in dense clouds of molecules. Space is not empty, it is full of stuff. Mostly the stuff is hydrogen, the most common element in the universe. But there is plenty of other stuff out there, and stars do not form around hydrogen, they form in dense, cold clouds of hydroxyl (OH). Related to water, hydroxyl sends out radio waves, which is how we know they exist. The cold temperatures and gravity cause more molecules to be drawn into the cloud. As more material is gathered the cloud starts to heat up and emits the radio signals that are the first evidence of a proto-star.

And thus we have the first miracle. As the cloud gathers more stuff, it creates more gravity. The higher gravity should cause the material to collapse in upon itself creating something other than a star. However, as gaseous material builds up it creates pressure and that pressure wants to push the molecules away. That would cause the proto-star to disburse. Instead the two forces come into balance, called hydrostatic equilibrium. Thus, our sun stays constant and unchanging, because God caused the cosmic forces at work to be in balance.

The second miracle is the production of heat and light. Our blazing ball of gas would either not give us enough heat and light or would burn out if all it did was produce these elements through pressure. Our Sun needed to ignite the internal fire of thermonuclear radiation. When the heat and pressure of the core of our sun reached a certain level, nuclear reactions commenced. With thermonuclear reactions heating ongoing, our sun can radiate heat and light for a very long time, which is good for us. Here’s the real miracle. The hydrogen atoms in our Sun do not posses enough energy to fuse and create radiation because of the Coulomb Barrier. This barrier is the reason I can’t put my hand through the table in front of me. The energy field around electrons won’t allow it. If the hydrogen in our Sun had enough energy to pass the barrier, our Sun would have burned out a long time ago. However, a very small amount of hydrogen does posses enough energy to pass through the barrier and fuse. Just enough to create just enough heat and light with just enough hydrogen fuel left over to keep the Sun going for a long, long time. Miraculous!

The third miracle involves the limits to the production of heat and light. Despite the Coulomb Barrier, our Sun produces so much energy in its core, that if all of that energy were released we would be burned to a crisp. However, the Sun reabsorbs the energy before most of it can pass through the many layers and into space. The Sun has heavy elements within it, some were created by thermonuclear reactions and others gathered in from space during its formation. These heavy elements regulate our star to release just the right amount of radiation to heat our world without turning us all into little strips of fried bacon. Isn’t that amazing!

With this brief description, I hope you can see what an incredible miracle the Sun truly is. I praise God for it, and I hope that you will as well.

“God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.”

God bless you,

Pastor Bill

For G1 to be accurate, shouldn't god have said, "let there be billions of trillions of lights, and it was so." Just sayin'.
 
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So miracles are in effect laws of physics as we currently understand them?

Weak solar convection – approximately 100 times slower than scientists had previously projected | Watts Up With That?

Psst. I hate to break it to you, but it turns out that we don't actually 'understand' those laws very well yet. :)

The miracle of gravity pulled the water down into my house today, along the pipes that lead it here form the local mountains. It filled the pipes in my house, and allows for my flush-toilets to work.


And the whole "system" was "intelligently designed". ;)

With this brief description, I hope you can see what an incredible miracle gravity truly is. I praise God for it, and I hope that you will as well.
Unfortunately "gravity", based on matter and energy as we understand it has been relegated to about 4-5 percent of mainstream theory. The rest is one gigantic "dark miracle". :)
 
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[/I]Unfortunately "gravity", based on matter and energy as we understand it has been relegated to about 4-5 percent of mainstream theory. The rest is one gigantic "dark miracle". :)
So miracle means: that which we dont understand???
.
 
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Weak solar convection – approximately 100 times slower than scientists had previously projected | Watts Up With That?

Psst. I hate to break it to you, but it turns out that we don't actually 'understand' those laws very well yet. :)



And the whole "system" was "intelligently designed". ;)

Unfortunately "gravity", based on matter and energy as we understand it has been relegated to about 4-5 percent of mainstream theory. The rest is one gigantic "dark miracle". :)
Sling that mud, Michael. lol.

Have you yet to get your own ideas on the nature of the universe out of the lab? ^_^
 
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So miracle means: that which we dont understand???
.

Even by my way of looking at the universe, that's probably a fair statement. :) Love isn't any less desirable simply because we finally understand the mechanics of how it "functions".
 
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Sling that mud, Michael. lol.

What mud? :)

Have you yet to get your own ideas on the nature of the universe out of the lab? ^_^

Fortunately electricity and awareness are not limited to the lab, so apparently so. ;)
 
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Weak solar convection – approximately 100 times slower than scientists had previously projected | Watts Up With That?

Psst. I hate to break it to you, but it turns out that we don't actually 'understand' those laws very well yet. :)
projections don't mean we don't understand the law, nor does it make what we know less valid.



And the whole "system" was "intelligently designed". ;)

Unfortunately "gravity", based on matter and energy as we understand it has been relegated to about 4-5 percent of mainstream theory. The rest is one gigantic "dark miracle". :)
you need to keep up with the science, scientists have detected dark matter directly.
so it isn't a "dark miracle" anymore, plus that is not using miracle right.
 
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projections don't mean we don't understand the law, nor does it make what we know less valid.

It makes any "knowledge" claims about the sun or the universe ring rather hollow however if the predictions don't jive with observations.

you need to keep up with the science, scientists have detected dark matter directly.
In which *series* of (repeated) experiments? I've seen a few groups cry wolf at least once now in uncontrolled observations, that turned out to be related to the equipment they used. I've seen SUSY theory fail it's golden tests in controlled experiments at LHC. I haven't seen any *controlled* or repeated experiments where exotic matter actually showed up.

so it isn't a "dark miracle" anymore, plus that is not using miracle right.
IMO a "miracle" is simply something we do not understand. It still ultimately has a "physical cause" even if we just call it God for the time being. That doesn't mean that the "miracle" doesn't have a physical expression, or a physical explanation of how it happened, it just means we don't understand it yet.
 
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Weak solar convection – approximately 100 times slower than scientists had previously projected | Watts Up With That?

Psst. I hate to break it to you, but it turns out that we don't actually 'understand' those laws very well yet. :)
What I understand is that you only speak for yourself. :)

And the whole "system" was "intelligently designed". ;)
I knew the builders of my house, and know that "intelligently designed" would be too high of praise for the effort they put into the design of the plumbing and HVAC.
Unfortunately "gravity", based on matter and energy as we understand it has been relegated to about 4-5 percent of mainstream theory. The rest is one gigantic "dark miracle". :)
In the context of this thread, Pastor Bill may think that flush toilets are a miracle. BTW, where did he go?
 
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What I understand is that you only speak for yourself. :)

Cute. :)

I knew the builders of my house, and know that "intelligently designed" would be too high of praise for the effort they put into the design of the plumbing and HVAC.

Well, they wouldn't "work" at all without some kind of awareness and intelligence. :)
 
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A true miracle involves the temporary suspension of the laws of physics and does not fit into any scientific models, such as when God made the sun stand still in the sky.

Of course that does not make scientific models invalid, they just do not apply in those cases.

So the mere existence of the sun is not a miracle.
 
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