The Messianic Hall of Shame

[ChavaK]

I agree on both accounts. I've known J Trimm and known about M Rood for nearly 20 years - always on the "fringe" and drawing people in fraudently.
M Rood's website wued to be called Millenium2000 because he prophesied Messiah's return in 2000 in full and coplete detail, as is it always does it drew thousands of "faithful" a great number of which still today believe this person dressed in quasi-first century quasi-Jewish garb to be a great prophet... you can't police this kind of thing in this society

Welcome back, Henaynei!

 

[ContraMundum]

I agree on both accounts. I've known J Trimm and known about M Rood for nearly 20 years - always on the "fringe" and drawing people in fraudently.
M Rood's website wued to be called Millenium2000 because he prophesied Messiah's return in 2000 in full and coplete detail, as is it always does it drew thousands of "faithful" a great number of which still today believe this person dressed in quasi-first century quasi-Jewish garb to be a great prophet... you can't police this kind of thing in this society

Thanks Henny...I didn't know that about his false prophecy. He is a very clever liar.

 

[aniello]

At one time, 20 or so years ago, Rood was a functionary of The WAY International, a cult started by Victor Paul Wierwille. IIRC the thing has become virtually extinct, thankfully.

 

[ContraMundum]

At one time, 20 or so years ago, Rood was a functionary of The WAY International, a cult started by Victor Paul Wierwille. IIRC the thing has become virtually extinct, thankfully.

Apparently you can compare "The Way" with his new cult and there is hardly any operational difference.

What I find interesting is that much of his theology as far as I can tell would sit rather well with a select few people on this forum.

 

[yedida]

Apparently you can compare "The Way" with his new cult and there is hardly any operational difference.

What I find interesting is that much of his theology as far as I can tell would sit rather well with a select few people on this forum.

Do you think it's even possible that you come in here just once and not disrespect us?
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

 

[ContraMundum]

Do you think it's even possible that you come in here just once and not disrespect us?

What I stated was a fact "as far as I can tell". Prove me wrong and let's see people actually discuss the doctrine of Rood- just once, could we get serious about the doctrines that people hold in comparison to him?

 

[visionary]

What I stated was a fact "as far as I can tell". Prove me wrong and let's see people actually discuss the doctrine of Rood- just once, could we get serious about the doctrines that people hold in comparison to him?

Ok.. start a thread.. highlighting that what you have noticed for comparative purposes and we will see what you mean.

 

[ContraMundum]

Ok.. start a thread.. highlighting that what you have noticed for comparative purposes and we will see what you mean.

Just did. I cannot see any difference between your beliefs and his. Discuss.

 

[yedida]

What I stated was a fact "as far as I can tell". Prove me wrong and let's see people actually discuss the doctrine of Rood- just once, could we get serious about the doctrines that people hold in comparison to him?

I'm not familiar enough with him to discuss him.
Iirc many years ago I think I listened to two or three teachings of his but thought he was nuts and haven't dealt with him since. (I rarely leave after just one mp3 or article, I figure no one is always at their best just because they are supposed to be. So one time the guy might just be having a bad hair day or ran out of coffee. )
What is his doctrine?

 

[visionary]

Just did. I cannot see any difference between your beliefs and his. Discuss.

You lack context

 

[ContraMundum]

You lack context

Can I get it on eBay?

 

[anisavta]

Looks to me Contra - one more avenue you're trying to lump the Messianic Movement into a "see what they believe? Aren't they all wacko..."

 

[yedida]

Contra,
Would you like us to come into the Anglican area and dis all you guys? We don't do that, is it too much to expect the same respect? If you don't like what we believe, why do you keep coming back?

 

[Lulav]

To set us all straight as he believes we are all on the wrong path.

Maybe if we said ten hail mary's we would be in better status. ??

 

[yedida]

To set us all straight as he believes we are all on the wrong path.

Maybe if we said ten hail mary's we would be in better status. ??

Think only 10 would do the trick? Maybe we need to know which saint to pray to as well.

 

[Lulav]

Well, Mother Mary's always had top billing, I'd say she's the go-to gal!

 

[ContraMundum]

Looks to me Contra - one more avenue you're trying to lump the Messianic Movement into a "see what they believe? Aren't they all wacko..."

No. I know and meet regularly with Messianics in the real world. Most are not whacko.

 

[ContraMundum]

Contra,
Would you like us to come into the Anglican area and dis all you guys?

YES.

We don't do that, is it too much to expect the same respect? If you don't like what we believe, why do you keep coming back?

I like what some of you believe, and not what others believe. There's a mix here. I enjoy the good stuff, but the bad stuff seems to shout the loudest.

What I can't understand is the constant flirtation with radical theology amongst a small few here. Why the forum does not stick to the great work being done by Messianics right now is beyond me. There's so much good work doing on, but it is ignored by this forum for the most part. If only some people here started taking the Jewish voices on the Messianic movement seriously. I think they are the best and worth hearing. I hear them.

 

[ContraMundum]

To set us all straight as he believes we are all on the wrong path.

Only a couple of you are on the wrong path. Not "all". I'm certainly not the only one who is "setting them straight" here.

Maybe if we said ten hail mary's we would be in better status. ??

If you start praying to Mary you will just give me another cause to "set you straight", as you put it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Messianic Hall of Shame

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Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for ASV
"shame"
occurs 170 times in 156 verses in the ASV

Last 2 times used in Bible:

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

ASV) Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold refined by fire, that thou mayest become rich;
and white garments, that thou mayest clothe thyself,
and [that] the shame of thy nakedness be not made manifest;
and eyesalve to anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.

ASV) Revelation 16:15 (Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.)