The Messianic Hall of Shame

[cyberlizard]

As for the OP, I would discount them due to their poor grasp of Hebrew and history. To spell Jesus' in Hebrew like they have done shows such a falling in many areas.

Just one more sacred name group with a chip on its shoulder.


Steve

 

[cyberlizard]

p.s. they do not even have contact details... nameless and faceless. No credibility in my eyes.


Steve

 

[Heber]

As for the OP, I would discount them due to their poor grasp of Hebrew and history. To spell Jesus' in Hebrew like they have done shows such a falling in many areas.

Just one more sacred name group with a chip on its shoulder.

p.s. they do not even have contact details... nameless and faceless. No credibility in my eyes.
Steve

For any domain name (URL) you can find the necessary information by Googling a 'Who Is' page. In this case the Messianic Hall of Shame is registered through a Mr Bob Field in Auckland, New Zealand. There is another registered entry for the same URL in Anaheim CA92807, but no name and address data is shown for the American registration. Probably no need if it is all available on the New Zealand database.

People cannot, normally, hide behind a web site with no contact information. It's mostly there but you can't see it and you just need to know how to find it. I could have given you the guy's phone number and office address, too! And I didn't need wikileak to help find it!

 

[Desert Rose]

Actually yedida, I didn't know this at all. I don't watch TV Evangelists and I tend to float around different church circles than a lot of posters here.

It's actually kind of embarrassing at times. People mention popular names and I have to Google them. People mention things that they have experienced in their churches and I am forced to admit I have never seen such things, because I haven't been exposed to them. One of the reasons I come here is to learn about what happens in the big bad world out there.

As for TV Evangelists jumping on the Hebrew Roots movement, that too is awful news indeed. Theology and Jewish identity are not gimmicks. Is nothing sacred to those men and women on TV?

Interestingly, I just talked about this with a friend, I knew him since childhood, he is now an eastern orthodox deacon, or vicar, whats the proper english word. While being totally unaware of big names in pop culture and politics- that only one who lives in a cave woulndt know- his judgements and worldview are so fresh, full of common sense and contemporary, i start seriosly thinking that all the modern shlock might not be needed to understand life. Maybe the mental clutter of modern life is rather an impediment to obtaining true wisdom after all.

Same i noticed about people that refuse to own a TV, i khew a few in college.Usually those are the smartest guys/girls in a room, interesting to talk to.

So, if he (and you) are careful in everyday life about potential scammers or dangerous girls that might reel in you in and destroy, you chose a better lot overall

 

[Desert Rose]

Yes, their full pockets. It wasn't enough to sully the Cross, now they're pushing the Menorah and the Tallit to fill their coffers. It makes me want to cry.

you are such a sweet kind girl,yedida, i meant to say it for a while. Truly so. Bottle up some of your southern belle-ness and sell it, i will buy some! I wish i was so nice for this to make me wanna cry, but it makes me wanna reload , grab another box of dougble ougths and hunt them down

"sex and religion will always sell"is not a catchy line, actually it was officially taught in my economics class.THere is nothing those crooks will stop at, as long as they have consumers who can sucessfully and quickly be parted with their money. Modern state of overall idiocracy and ignorance in church is a good breeding ground for such scammers.

 

[Heber]

Never watched a televangelist in my life! For the most part the theology is very suspect in different ways and at different levels from what I hear, whether purely Christian or MJism. I'd be hopping up and down in frustration as they screw up the Word. As for dangerous girls, well, least said the better, I think.

 

[David Ben Yosef]

you are such a sweet kind girl,yedida, i meant to say it for a while. Truly so. Bottle up some of your southern belle-ness and sell it, i will buy some! I wish i was so nice....

Yeah, same here! I come off WAY too abrasive when posting sometimes. It's really frustrating. Some days are better than others though. If people actually took the time to get to know me, they would find out I'm a nice guy, believe it or not [Chavak is the only one here who actually knows me]. I can discuss any topic there is, and be just as nice as anyone, but when it comes to Scripture, something happens. I don't know if it has to do with the great passion I have for G-d's word, or what. I haven't been able to pin that down just yet, but it is extremely frustrating!


Shalom

 

[yedida]

DBY and DR,
Thank you, you make me blush! Unfortunately, crying isn't the recommended cure.
I also echo your reactions, too. It pains me and angers me when I see it happening. There are soooo many hurting people out there who are being misled by these charlatans.
We must stand together in prayer against such false shepherds.

 

[Heber]

Yeah, same here! I come off WAY too abrasive when posting sometimes. It's really frustrating. Some days are better than others though. If people actually took the time to get to know me, they would find out I'm a nice guy, believe it or not [Chavak is the only one here who actually knows me]. I can discuss any topic there is, and be just as nice as anyone, but when it comes to Scripture, something happens. I don't know if it has to do with the great passion I have for G-d's word, or what. I haven't been able to pin that down just yet, but it is extremely frustrating!


Shalom

So treat us gently when we try to deal with it as best we can?

 

[ContraMundum]

Yeah, same here! I come off WAY too abrasive when posting sometimes. It's really frustrating. Some days are better than others though. If people actually took the time to get to know me, they would find out I'm a nice guy, believe it or not [Chavak is the only one here who actually knows me]. I can discuss any topic there is, and be just as nice as anyone, but when it comes to Scripture, something happens. I don't know if it has to do with the great passion I have for G-d's word, or what. I haven't been able to pin that down just yet, but it is extremely frustrating!


Shalom

I believe you are a nice guy in real life too. I think we all sometimes come across poorly when we hit the keyboard. Sometimes frank disagreements look terrible when we cannot hear tone of voice or see facial expressions.

With patience we can overcome our passionate responses, I think.

 

[billmeyer]

Bob Field and his group are spreading lies and slander. His site Messianic Hall of Shame does not accept comments or debate. It is a one way site in which he appointed himself accuser, judge and jury. Any attempts to contact him is ignored.

I challenged him to a public debate a number of times. Wilhelm Wolfaardt challenged him, tried to take him to the New Zeeland High Court re the slander - but Bob Field - the brave man that he is just fled.

I called him out a number of times to bring the slander before a properly constituted Beth Din, on who we can agree on. I challenged him on numerous sites where he lurks - but the good man prefers to hide away and post slander on his website.

If anyone knows him, or is in contact with him - tell him. I am willing to meet him in a properly constituted Beth Din, or a Civil Court. I am willing to debate him in front of a open audience on PalTalk.

The other site that seems to have fallen into the trap of Bob Field's slander is the HalleluYah Scriptures. They repeat the slander and post it all over the internet - yet they - as Bob - refuses to come into the open for a public debate - or event to reply in a forum.

Now don't anyone find this a bit strange? This man is willing to slander people on a web site - yet he is not willing to face the people that he accuse in order for them to defend themselves.

Bob - you are a coward and a liar. Come out and face me.
You can look at the facebook page called MessianicHallOfShame Lashon Hara where I refuted the lies that he and HalleluYah Scriptures is spreading.


Bill Meyer

 

[ContraMundum]

Bob Field and his group are spreading lies and slander. His site Messianic Hall of Shame does not accept comments or debate. It is a one way site in which he appointed himself accuser, judge and jury. Any attempts to contact him is ignored.

I challenged him to a public debate a number of times. Wilhelm Wolfaardt challenged him, tried to take him to the New Zeeland High Court re the slander - but Bob Field - the brave man that he is just fled.

I called him out a number of times to bring the slander before a properly constituted Beth Din, on who we can agree on. I challenged him on numerous sites where he lurks - but the good man prefers to hide away and post slander on his website.

If anyone knows him, or is in contact with him - tell him. I am willing to meet him in a properly constituted Beth Din, or a Civil Court. I am willing to debate him in front of a open audience on PalTalk.

The other site that seems to have fallen into the trap of Bob Field's slander is the HalleluYah Scriptures. They repeat the slander and post it all over the internet - yet they - as Bob - refuses to come into the open for a public debate - or event to reply in a forum.

Now don't anyone find this a bit strange? This man is willing to slander people on a web site - yet he is not willing to face the people that he accuse in order for them to defend themselves.

Bob - you are a coward and a liar. Come out and face me.
You can look at the facebook page called MessianicHallOfShame Lashon Hara where I refuted the lies that he and HalleluYah Scriptures is spreading.


Bill Meyer

I'm wondering what kind of audience - if any - this proposed debate between you two would get.

Seriously...just get on with preaching the Gospel. Slander will catch up with the slanderer in due course.

 

[yedida]

I'm wondering what kind of audience - if any - this proposed debate between you two would get.

Seriously...just get on with preaching the Gospel. Slander will catch up with the slanderer in due course.

Sometimes, CM, we are on the same page!! The Light will shine on all things eventually.

 

[billmeyer]

Sometimes, CM, we are on the same page!! The Light will shine on all things eventually.

Bob Field and his groupand the HalleluYah Scriptures group are lying and slandering. They are putting a lot of energy into spreading their lies all over the internet. They have accused the ISR of theft amongst other things. Many people have been misled by their lies. We received a number of insulting communications due to their slandering and lying.

They should direct their energy into something more positive than running websites lying and slandering and posting insults. There is a lack of accountability on their side.

 

[yedida]

Bob Field and his groupand the HalleluYah Scriptures group are lying and slandering. They are putting a lot of energy into spreading their lies all over the internet. They have accused the ISR of theft amongst other things. Many people have been misled by their lies. We received a number of insulting communications due to their slandering and lying.

They should direct their energy into something more positive than running websites lying and slandering and posting insults. There is a lack of accountability on their side.

There is a lack of accountability on alot of sides. Our job is to edify and build up, not to tear down. By building up rightly, what needs to be torn down will be done by default, without effort.

 

[billmeyer]

There is a lack of accountability on alot of sides. Our job is to edify and build up, not to tear down. By building up rightly, what needs to be torn down will be done by default, without effort.

That is an airy fairy view. What I want is justice. If someone steals your car - are you going to say that you won't take the criminal taken to court because it will tear down the community? Just then believe that your car should have been stolen anyway?

 

[yedida]

That is an airy fairy view. What I want is justice. If someone steals your car - are you going to say that you won't take the criminal taken to court because it will tear down the community? Just then believe that your car should have been stolen anyway?

Your analogy is way off topic.

 

[ContraMundum]

That is an airy fairy view. What I want is justice. If someone steals your car - are you going to say that you won't take the criminal taken to court because it will tear down the community? Just then believe that your car should have been stolen anyway?

The airy fairy thing here is the notion that you think some beit din or court will make a ruling that people will care about. Trust me, men with row boats are not the Admirals they sometimes imagine they are.

It's religion. Welcome to the jungle.

 

[visionary]

The airy fairy thing here is the notion that you think some beit din or court will make a ruling that people will care about. Trust me, men with row boats are not the Admirals they sometimes imagine they are.

It's religion. Welcome to the jungle.

It has as much influence as those who believe in it give it.. even the men in row boats can believe in their Admiral's decisions.

 

[Henaynei]

Between him and that moron Michael Rood people should have alarm bells ringing that something is amiss in the area of accountability and authority in the MJ movement.

I agree on both accounts. I've known J Trimm and known about M Rood for nearly 20 years - always on the "fringe" and drawing people in fraudently.
M Rood's website wued to be called Millenium2000 because he prophesied Messiah's return in 2000 in full and coplete detail, as is it always does it drew thousands of "faithful" a great number of which still today believe this person dressed in quasi-first century quasi-Jewish garb to be a great prophet... you can't police this kind of thing in this society