The Mediatress of All Grace?

[IamAdopted]

Where do we find scripture to this? How did Mary get this title? Who gave this title to her? And what does this title mean?

 

[IamAdopted]

Wanted to bump this up.. Wanting to know what the chuch teaches on this and why.

 

[lionroar0]

From the Catechism

http://www.kofc.org/publications/ci...&subSecNum=0&headernum=0&ParNum=963&ParType=5


It's rather long so I will only post the web addy.

Peace

 

[IamAdopted]

Mother of the Church
963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer.... She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' ... since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head." 502 "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church." 503

Lets look at this first. First we have to acknowledg that she was not the mother of God.. But indeed the earthly mother of Jesus the second in the Godhead. For God in whole did not have a mother.. Only one of the Godhead which Is Christ the word made flesh...

 

[repentant]

Lets look at this first. First we have to acknowledg that she was not the mother of God.. But indeed the earthly mother of Jesus the second in the Godhead. For God in whole did not have a mother.. Only one of the Godhead which Is Christ the word made flesh...

And in that, you would have to acknowledge that Jesus isn't God...

 

[lionroar0]

Lets look at this first. First we have to acknowledg that she was not the mother of God.. But indeed the earthly mother of Jesus the second in the Godhead. For God in whole did not have a mother.. Only one of the Godhead which Is Christ the word made flesh...

She gave birth to Jesus who is of the same essence of the Father and Holy Spirit. Who's essence is God.

Peace

 

[IamAdopted]

She gave birth to Jesus who is of the same essence of the Father and Holy Spirit. Who's essence is God.

Peace

Yes but was she His mother before He came to earth? No. He had no mother before He came to earth. It is when He came to earth that He had a mother..Therefore making Mary the earthly Mother of Jesus.. Was Jesus God. You bet He is.. Why did He need a mother? Because God is faithful to His word and He is the one who set up procreation therefore bringing His only begotten son to earth in the fashion He designed.. Could He have brought Jesus a different way. You bet He could.. But He didn't. He does not contradict His own word.. He is Faithful.. He is trustworthy. Jesus was not of this world.. He just came into this world to save mankind so we can spend eternity with Him and the Father. His Kingdom is His Fathers Kingdom..

 

[IamAdopted]

Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: "Woman, behold your son." 505​

Mary in no way suffered as Christ suffered . She suffered as any mother would seeing their son suffer but she did not suffer the pain and did not die.. Jesus alone suffered this and paid the price..Even for her..

 

[NewToLife]

Lets look at this first. First we have to acknowledg that she was not the mother of God..But indeed the earthly mother of Jesus the second in the Godhead. For God in whole did not have a mother.. Only one of the Godhead which Is Christ the word made flesh...

Then Jesus isnt God? It seems to me you have to accept the creed to even post in here. Your stated position is clearly in logical contradiction with the creed.

Yes but was she His mother before He came to earth?

One wonders if anyone has a mother before they 'come to earth'? If not what is your point exactly?

It is when He came to earth that He had a mother..

He would hardly be human otherwise and again does anyone have a mother before they are conceived?

Was Jesus God. You bet He is..

You contradict yourself. If Jesus is ( note it isnt was ) God then clearly Mary is in fact mother of God, yet earlier you plainly denied such. Either she is mother of God or Jesus is not God, logically there is no other choice available.

 

[Iollain]

Where do we find scripture to this? How did Mary get this title? Who gave this title to her? And what does this title mean?

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/Teachings/marya4.htm

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/Teachings/marya4a.htm


It started with the idea that Jesus came through Mary, by whom all graces come (from Jesus)..........Then it's kinda like God did not just put her aside in Heaven, but she is the decision maker and dispencer of God's grace to humans, is what i understand.

 

[MikeMcK]

You contradict yourself. If Jesus is ( note it isnt was ) God then clearly Mary is in fact mother of God, yet earlier you plainly denied such. Either she is mother of God or Jesus is not God, logically there is no other choice available.

If Mary is the mother of God, then who created Mary, and wouldn't this make God half human? Who is God's father?

I get the feeling we're drifting dangerously close to Mormonism.

 

[IamAdopted]

Then Jesus isnt God? It seems to me you have to accept the creed to even post in here. Your stated position is clearly in logical contradiction with the creed.



One wonders if anyone has a mother before they 'come to earth'? If not what is your point exactly?



He would hardly be human otherwise and again does anyone have a mother before they are conceived?



You contradict yourself. If Jesus is ( note it isnt was ) God then clearly Mary is in fact mother of God, yet earlier you plainly denied such. Either she is mother of God or Jesus is not God, logically there is no other choice available.

Mary is in fact the earthly Mother of The second of the God head.. The Father and the Holy Spirit has no mother for they were not born.. Jesus was before He was born. He didn't have a mother until He came to earth. SO in order for Mary to be the Mother of God she would have to be the Mother to all three personages.. Not just one.. She is indeed the earthly Mother of Christ the Messiah.. Therefore her motherhood of Christ was for Earth Alone..

 

[NewToLife]

If Mary is the mother of God, then who created Mary, and wouldn't this make God half human? Who is God's father?

I get the feeling we're drifting dangerously close to Mormonism.

It seems to me its Nestorian heresy that is close.

 

[MikeMcK]

It seems to me its Nestorian heresy that is close.

Perhaps you missed the questions:

If Mary is the mother of God, then who created Mary, and wouldn't this make God half human? Who is God's father?

 

[NewToLife]

Mary is in fact the earthly Mother of The second of the God head.. The Father and the Holy Spirit has no mother for they were not born.. Jesus was before He was born. He didn't have a mother until He came to earth. SO in order for Mary to be the Mother of God she would have to be the Mother to all three personages.. Not just one.. She is indeed the earthly Mother of Christ the Messiah.. Therefore her motherhood of Christ was for Earth Alone..

Then Christ is not fully God and does not remain human?

 

[NewToLife]

If Mary is the mother of God, then who created Mary, and wouldn't this make God half human? Who is God's father?

I have a mother do you contend she rather than God created me? Mother's do not in fact create their children, God creates human beings, as a Christian that ought to be painfully obvious....

 

[Iollain]

There is nothing wrong with the title Theotokos, if you get around people saying that Jesus is just a man, or Jesus did not come in the flesh.......you'll start to actually like the title.

 

[MikeMcK]

I have a mother do you contend she rather than God created me? Mother's do not in fact create their children, God creates human beings, as a Christian that ought to be painfully obvious....

It is obvious. That is what makes your post so illogical.

In order for Mary to exist, she must first have been created by God. However, according to you, she is the mother of God, so God cannot have existed to create Mary.

Now, back to the questions that you're trying so hard to avoid:

If Mary is the mother of God, then who created Mary, and wouldn't this make God half human? Who is God's father?

 

[IamAdopted]

I have a mother do you contend she rather than God created me? Mother's do not in fact create their children, God creates human beings, as a Christian that ought to be painfully obvious....

Jesus was alive before He came to earth as Human.. He has always been. He is the Word that became flesh.. He descended from Heaven and asscended back into Heaven.. He took on the Human flesh.. From Mary.. He always was God..

 

[Boniface]

Mary in no way suffered as Christ suffered . She suffered as any mother would seeing their son suffer but she did not suffer the pain and did not die.. Jesus alone suffered this and paid the price..Even for her..

Do you have children? I have four and I can tell you without a doubt that if I witnessed the brutal torture/killing of my kids, I would most definately suffer physical and emotional pain, beyond all comprehension.