The Meaning of “Stars”

Dale · Jun 9, 2023

Stars are mentioned several times in Scripture.

Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red
dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on
his heads.
His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung
them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman
who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her
child the moment it was born.
Revelation 12:3-4 NIV

A frequent interpretation is that the dragon is the Devil, and sweeping a third of the stars from the sky is the Fall of the Rebel Angels. How do we know that the stars are angels? People point me to this passage in Job.

On what were its [the earth’s] footings set, or who laid its cornerstone —
while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
Job 38: 6-7 NIV

Job suggests that “morning stars” are angels, although it doesn’t explicitly say so.

Many conservative Christians say that when a word appears in the Bible, it means the same thing throughout the Bible. I have heard a pastor say this in an Alliance church. I don’t find this to be plausible. It makes far more sense to understand each book of the Bible in terms of what words meant when it was composed.

Can we assume that “stars” always means angels, in the Bible?

“[Jesus says,] Immediately after the distress of those days `the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
Matthew 24:29 NIV

What does Jesus mean when He says that “the stars will fall”? If stars are angels, it sounds like He is saying that all the angels will fall and become demons, in a second Fall of Rebel Angels. This can’t be right. This is what I think He means: Stars refer to the truths that people use to guide them. A sailor at sea navigates by the stars. To say that the stars will fall can mean one of two things. One, that things people strongly believe to be true will be proven false. It will become clear that people are making decisions based on false beliefs. Second, it could mean that the situation will be so dire and so confused that people will hardly know what to believe. Even legitimate truths will appear to be false.

If “stars” aren’t always angels, is there another interpretation of Revelation 12:3-4? Since Revelation is about the end times, there is no reason to expect an account of the Fall of the Rebel Angels. That happened long ago, if it happened at all.

During the Holocaust, one-third of the world’s Jewish population was killed. That is certainly an interesting coincidence, especially since the Jews are God’s chosen people. So Rev. 12:3-4 could be a prediction that the forces of evil will succeed in killing one-third of the world’s Jews. This will happen as the scene is being set for a series of events culminating in the Second Coming of Christ.

The extermination of one-third of the world’s Jews during the WWII era is a solid figure.

“The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews.”
This is from the Wikipedia article, Evidence and Documentation for the Holocaust.
Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust - Wikipedia

Inkfingers · Jun 9, 2023

Angels are stars.

Most are fixed in pattern, rotating around an unmoving light (the pole star - the highest heaven), but some are not.
Some fall (meteors).
Some 'leave' their first (ie: fixed) estate to wander (planets) one of which is lucifer (the morning star), and are named for non-Christian deities who (like the Nephilim) often bred with humans to create 'demi-gods'.
The shepherds are led by an angel, but the magi by a star.

d taylor · Jun 9, 2023

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Stars are created lights in Genesis 1 and in certain context the word star is also used in reference to angels.

keras · Jun 9, 2023

The 'stars' referred to in Revelation 6:13, are our satellites. Thousands of them in orbit above the earth.
The pressure wave of the Coronal Mass Ejection which the Lord will instigate on His terrible Day of fiery wrath, will force them to crash back to the earth. Isaiah 30:26a proves it.
There may be a meteor shower when Jesus Returns. Matthew 24:29

Zao is life · Jun 9, 2023

Dale said:
Stars are mentioned several times in Scripture.

Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red
dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on
his heads.
His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung
them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman
who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her
child the moment it was born.
Revelation 12:3-4 NIV

A frequent interpretation is that the dragon is the Devil, and sweeping a third of the stars from the sky is the Fall of the Rebel Angels. How do we know that the stars are angels? People point me to this passage in Job.

On what were its [the earth’s] footings set, or who laid its cornerstone —
while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
Job 38: 6-7 NIV

Job suggests that “morning stars” are angels, although it doesn’t explicitly say so.

Many conservative Christians say that when a word appears in the Bible, it means the same thing throughout the Bible. I have heard a pastor say this in an Alliance church. I don’t find this to be plausible. It makes far more sense to understand each book of the Bible in terms of what words meant when it was composed.

Can we assume that “stars” always means angels, in the Bible?

“[Jesus says,] Immediately after the distress of those days `the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
Matthew 24:29 NIV

What does Jesus mean when He says that “the stars will fall”? If stars are angels, it sounds like He is saying that all the angels will fall and become demons, in a second Fall of Rebel Angels. This can’t be right. This is what I think He means: Stars refer to the truths that people use to guide them. A sailor at sea navigates by the stars. To say that the stars will fall can mean one of two things. One, that things people strongly believe to be true will be proven false. It will become clear that people are making decisions based on false beliefs. Second, it could mean that the situation will be so dire and so confused that people will hardly know what to believe. Even legitimate truths will appear to be false.

If “stars” aren’t always angels, is there another interpretation of Revelation 12:3-4? Since Revelation is about the end times, there is no reason to expect an account of the Fall of the Rebel Angels. That happened long ago, if it happened at all.

During the Holocaust, one-third of the world’s Jewish population was killed. That is certainly an interesting coincidence, especially since the Jews are God’s chosen people. So Rev. 12:3-4 could be a prediction that the forces of evil will succeed in killing one-third of the world’s Jews. This will happen as the scene is being set for a series of events culminating in the Second Coming of Christ.

The extermination of one-third of the world’s Jews during the WWII era is a solid figure.

“The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews.”
This is from the Wikipedia article, Evidence and Documentation for the Holocaust.
Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust - Wikipedia

Genesis 37
9 And he dreamed still another dream, and told it to his brothers. And he said, Behold, I have dreamed another dream. And behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me.
10 And he told it to his father and to his brothers. And his father rebuked him and said to him, What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall I, and your mother, and your brothers indeed come to bow ourselves to the earth before you?

Revelation 12
1 And there appeared a great sign in the heavens, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon was under her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head,

The children of Naphtali and Zebulun who fought against Sisera, captain of Jabin's army (Judges 4:6-7) are called "the stars in their courses" (metaphor) fighting against enemy armies in Judges 5:20. (The saints are also said to be "in the heavens" in Ephesians 2:6; Colossians 3:1-4; and Ephesians 1:3).

Psalm 75
7 But God is the judge; He puts down one and sets up another.
8 For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is fully mixed; and He pours out from it; but the dregs of it, all the wicked of the earth shall drain its dregs and drink.

Revelation 14

10 he also will drink of the wine of the anger of God, having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had authority over fire. And he spoke with a great cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in your sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the anger of God.

Isaiah 34:4 (Judgment of Babylon)
And all the host of the heavens shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled like a scroll; and all their host shall droop, as a leaf falls off from the vine, and as the falling from the fig tree.

Revelation 6:13-14
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Isaiah 34:8-10 (judgment of Babylon)
For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, the year to repay for the fighting against Zion. And its streams shall be turned into pitch, and its dust to brimstone, and its land shall become burning pitch. It shall not be put out night or day; its smoke shall go up forever. From generation to generation it shall lie waste; none passes through it forever and forever.

The judgment of Babylon was in repayment for its fighting against Zion. It has already happened.

Revelation 14:10-11
And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

Sometimes we Christians recognize metaphor for what it is when we read the scriptures, and sometimes we don't. The stars falling from heaven are those in the Kingdom of God (heaven) who become apostate.

friend of · Jun 9, 2023

Daniel 12:3
Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever

friend of · Jun 9, 2023

It may not be that the rest of the angels are considered demons, only that perhaps they descend to carry out warfare in our realm which is more earthly and not in the second heavens.

Dale · Jun 10, 2023

keras said:
The 'stars' referred to in Revelation 6:13, are our satellites. Thousands of them in orbit above the earth.
The pressure wave of the Coronal Mass Ejection which the Lord will instigate on His terrible Day of fiery wrath, will force them to crash back to the earth. Isaiah 30:26a proves it.
There may be a meteor shower when Jesus Returns. Matthew 24:29

Keras,

It’s good to talk to you again. You seem to be jumbling up several passages which don’t point to the same event. What do Revelation and Isaiah really say about this?

I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great
earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat
hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a
fig-tree when shaken by a strong wind.
Revelation 6:12-13 NIV

Is. 30:26 The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be
seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when
the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the
wounds he inflicted.
Isaiah 30:26 NIV

These can’t be talking about the same event. In Revelation 6:12-13, the sun is blotted out and the sky is as black as sackcloth. The falling of stars apparently means only that they are obscured, not seen for some time. If Revelation was talking about a solar flare, or a series of them, that would not turn the sky black. A huge solar flare could cause huge disruptions on earth but the unaided eye would not see any difference in the appearance of the sun.

Isaiah is talking about something completely different. If the sun were to literally flare up and shine seven times brighter, all living things on earth would simply be fried, too much heat. This would not be a time when God heals wounds and “binds up the bruises of his people.” The extra brightness of the sun in Isaiah foretells a time of spiritual enlightenment, not a time when the earth will be roasted.

What do we learn from Matthew?

“Immediately after the distress of those days “`the sun will be
darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will
fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ Matthew 24:29

Scholars believe that Jesus is referring to Isaiah, but not the passage you point to. Instead, look at these.

The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show
their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will
not give its light. Isaiah 13:10

All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky
rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered
leaves from the vine, like shrivelled figs from the fig-tree. Isaiah 34:4

Isaiah 13:10 can’t be talking about the same event as Isaiah 30:26. In Chapter 13, the stars and constellations are obscured, probably covered up by clouds and the “rising sun will be darkened.” This can’t happen while the sun is shining sevenfold.

To say that Matthew 24:29 is talking about a meteor shower is simply to trivialize the events leading up to the Second Coming.

keras · Jun 10, 2023

Dale said:
It’s good to talk to you again. You seem to be jumbling up several passages which don’t point to the same event.

A massive explosion on the suns surface is what is prophesied. Many will die, but it is survivable; remember the other side of the earth will not be so badly affected. It will strike the Middle East at mid-day, Zephaniah 2:4-5
It is the only natural event which can and will, literally fulfil all the vividly described Prophesies about that terrible Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath.

Dale said:
Isaiah 13:10 can’t be talking about the same event as Isaiah 30:26. In Chapter 13, the stars and constellations are obscured, probably covered up by clouds and the “rising sun will be darkened.” This can’t happen while the sun is shining sevenfold.

You don't understand what a CME does. The initial flash will be extremely bright. Then the sun is obscured by the ejected mass heading toward earth.

Dale said:
To say that Matthew 24:29 is talking about a meteor shower is simply to trivialize the events leading up to the Second Coming.

A meteor shower can be very spectacular. My belief is it will happen when Jesus Returns.

Dale · Jun 11, 2023

keras said:
A massive explosion on the suns surface is what is prophesied. Many will die, but it is survivable; remember the other side of the earth will not be so badly affected. It will strike the Middle East at mid-day, Zephaniah 2:4-5
It is the only natural event which can and will, literally fulfil all the vividly described Prophesies about that terrible Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath.

You don't understand what a CME does. The initial flash will be extremely bright. Then the sun is obscured by the ejected mass heading toward earth.

A meteor shower can be very spectacular. My belief is it will happen when Jesus Returns.

You are having a problem with the meaning of stars. To the ancients, a star was a fixed point of light in the sky. The stars and constellations moved with the rotation of the earth, as we now know, but each star kept the same place with respect to other stars. Satellites can be seen, either with the unaided eye or a telescope, but they rotate around the earth. They do not qualify as stars because they have no fixed position.

I don’t believe that a coronal mass ejection could exert enough pressure to knock satellites out of orbit. A solar flare could fry the electronics of satellites so that they stopped working, but that’s as far as it would go.

Why would Jesus be talking about artificial satellites? The people he was talking to knew nothing of such things. Jesus was concerned about the truths or beliefs that guide people’s behavior. He wasn’t concerned about whether communications satellites or weather satellites were functioning.

You mention Zephaniah 2:4-5. This passage says nothing about stars. It says that doom will come to certain places but it doesn’t say that doom will come from the sky.

TribulationSigns · Jun 11, 2023

Dale said:
I don’t believe that a coronal mass ejection could exert enough pressure to knock satellites out of orbit. A solar flare could fry the electronics of satellites so that they stopped working, but that’s as far as it would go.

The so-called CME is purely man's speculation and is not what Bible talks about. Jesus did NOT tell us to look up for literal falling stars from the sky. The stars in the book of Revelation have NOTHING to do with literal balls of fire out in space but represent the "messengers" on Earth. For example, Christ is the ultimate star, and we, His messengers, the stars, represent His kingdom.

Where messengers are human beings in the congregation who will be cast down if they do not repent of their transgressions. Yes, where falling stars represent messengers of God (Revelation 1-3), professing believers falling way from the kingdom of heaven on earth (church) in apostasy where Satan will sit in the kingdom.

Dan 8:10-11
(10) And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

If anyone without spiritual discernment won't receive this truth and is obsessed with looking for some kind of physical cosmic event to support their faulty doctrine, they will be deceived by it.

TribulationSigns · Jun 11, 2023

Mat 24:29-30

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The whole chapter of Matthew 24 is speaking spiritually, allegorically, about very literal things. For example, wars, earthquakes, the Holy Temple, The flight on the Sabbath, Judaea, Mountains and on and on. So to me, if the Sun isn't going to literally turn dark, or in other places to blood, then clearly the language of the Bible concerning these things is symbolical. Likewise, if the stars aren't going to literally fall to earth (which is nonsense, because there would be no earth left), then clearly the language is symbolic. I think the Bible was written by God in a very practical way that we would be able to "logically" understand it, of course with spiritual discernment! That's what I've found in searching scripture over the years. He wrote it that way to His Glory. But I just don't think most people get it. But that's just me. I tend to look at the Bible in the way I believe God wrote it, and therefore wants us to understand it. By comparing scripture (God's word) with scripture, allowing it to define and interpret itself.

Proverbs 25:2

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

I take this very seriously. There is no gospel import to stars literally falling to earth, the import is to messengers of the Church falling. They are "figuratively" the stars, the lesser lights. The Sun becoming dark is a symbolic reference to the Church, the light of the world. God declared the Church is the light of the world, which OBVIOUSLY He took from the image of the Sun. Whether stars or sun, it is symbolic.

Revelation 12:1

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:"

Is there a woman floating in literal heaven that has the sun for a dress? Hello? Or, is God instructing us in spiritual matters of the woman AS THE CONGREGATION through this prophecy? Just as in this Revelation 12 God says Satan's tail drew the third part of stars of heaven. Is Satan playing with literal stars in heaven? Does Satan even have a long literal tail and 10 literal horns, or is this all symbolic? That is the pertinent question. Because as I reiterate time and time again, the Bible is its own interpreter. Stars falling are symbolic of those of the Church, not cosmic impossibilities!! Selah!

Revelation 1:20

"The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars ARE the messengers of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

See? The Bible is its own interpreter, thus we have a biblical warrant to look at symbolic references to stars, as the messengers of the Churches. ....and we know how they fall. They fall just as Israel fell.

Romans 11:11

"I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."

Likewise the unfaithful Church can, and does fall.

Hebrews 6:4-6

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

If the messengers of the Church fall, they are the stars falling. Just as Joseph dreamed the dream of the sons/children of Israel as 12 stars. There is nothing new here. God has always used this type of symbolism. The problem is not in what is (or is not) written, but in man's aversion to receiving it.

keras · Jun 12, 2023

Dale said:
You are having a problem with the meaning of stars.

The Greek word 'aster', means any heavenly body; proper stars, which are too far away to fulfil any prophecy of stars falling, and comets. meteors and asteroids. The Bible translators didn't know which was meant and anyway our satellites are too recent for most of them.

I remain confident that the objects that will fall like ripe figs; will be man made satellites.

Dale said:
I don’t believe that a coronal mass ejection could exert enough pressure to knock satellites out of orbit. A solar flare could fry the electronics of satellites so that they stopped working, but that’s as far as it would go.

It is a well known fact that CME's push satellites to a lower orbit, reducing their life span. It's a serious problem for them.
There was an article about it in a Nat Geographic, a while ago.
The billion ton + pressure wave mass of a big CME will strike the earth and cause all the vividly described effects. Isaiah 24:1-6, 2 Peter 3:7

Dale said:
Why would Jesus be talking about artificial satellites?

He knew there would be satellites, just another example of the increase of knowledge. Daniel 12:4

Dale said:
You mention Zephaniah 2:4-5. This passage says nothing about stars. It says that doom will come to certain places but it doesn’t say that doom will come from the sky.

This Prophecy is paralleled by Psalms 83, and many other verses, where the Lord destroys those people by fire from the sky. Psalms 11:4-6, Amos 1 and 2:1-5.

TribulationSigns · Jun 12, 2023

keras said:
The Greek word 'aster', means any heavenly body; proper stars, which are too far away to fulfil any prophecy of stars falling, and comets. meteors and asteroids. The Bible translators didn't know which was meant and anyway our satellites are too recent for most of them.

I remain confident that the objects that will fall like ripe figs; will be man made satellites.

So the prophets did not know what satellites look like so he wrote them as "stars". LOL. Not according to biblical definition. Read my post again and enlighten yourself.

keras said:
It is a well known fact that CME's push satellites to a lower orbit, reducing their life span. It's a serious problem for them.
There was an article about it in a Nat Geographic, a while ago.

Ahh you interpret God's prophecies with national geography? (chuckle)

keras said:
The billion ton + pressure wave mass of a big CME will strike the earth and cause all the vividly described effects. Isaiah 24:1-6, 2 Peter 3:7

unbiblical speculation.

keras said:
He knew there would be satellites, just another example of the increase of knowledge. Daniel 12:4

Nope.

Timtofly · Jun 12, 2023

Dale said:
A solar flare could fry the electronics of satellites so that they stopped working, but that’s as far as it would go.

How far could you drive a car if the electronics were fried? The same applies to keeping a satellite in orbit. No control means no control.

keras · Jun 12, 2023

Timtofly said:
How far could you drive a car if the electronics were fried? The same applies to keeping a satellite in orbit. No control means no control.

Yes; this is what the Electro-Magnetic Pulse of a CME does as well. ALL of our modern electronic systems will be destroyed, it is well known how vulnerable we are to such an event.
Only people who say 'nope', and are incapable of understanding the prophetic Word, will be shocked and surprised when the Lord arises to change the world and commences all the end time events as prophesied.

Dale · Jun 14, 2023

keras said:
The Greek word 'aster', means any heavenly body; proper stars, which are too far away to fulfil any prophecy of stars falling, and comets. meteors and asteroids. The Bible translators didn't know which was meant and anyway our satellites are too recent for most of them.

I remain confident that the objects that will fall like ripe figs; will be man made satellites.

It is a well known fact that CME's push satellites to a lower orbit, reducing their life span. It's a serious problem for them.
There was an article about it in a Nat Geographic, a while ago.
The billion ton + pressure wave mass of a big CME will strike the earth and cause all the vividly described effects. Isaiah 24:1-6, 2 Peter 3:7

He knew there would be satellites, just another example of the increase of knowledge. Daniel 12:4

This Prophecy is paralleled by Psalms 83, and many other verses, where the Lord destroys those people by fire from the sky. Psalms 11:4-6, Amos 1 and 2:1-5.

Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red
dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on
his heads. --Revelation 12:3 NIV

Keras, do you claim that the red dragon is a Coronal Mass Ejection? Throughout Christian history, people have believed that the dragon is the Devil. Is there some reason this is wrong?

I suggested that the meaning of stars be re-examined. I didn’t question that the Dragon is Satan, or the forces of evil.

Veni · Jun 14, 2023

Dale said:
Stars are mentioned several times in Scripture.

Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red
dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on
his heads.
His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung
them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman
who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her
child the moment it was born.
Revelation 12:3-4 NIV

A frequent interpretation is that the dragon is the Devil, and sweeping a third of the stars from the sky is the Fall of the Rebel Angels. How do we know that the stars are angels? People point me to this passage in Job.

On what were its [the earth’s] footings set, or who laid its cornerstone —
while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
Job 38: 6-7 NIV

Job suggests that “morning stars” are angels, although it doesn’t explicitly say so.

Many conservative Christians say that when a word appears in the Bible, it means the same thing throughout the Bible. I have heard a pastor say this in an Alliance church. I don’t find this to be plausible. It makes far more sense to understand each book of the Bible in terms of what words meant when it was composed.

Can we assume that “stars” always means angels, in the Bible?

“[Jesus says,] Immediately after the distress of those days `the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
Matthew 24:29 NIV

What does Jesus mean when He says that “the stars will fall”? If stars are angels, it sounds like He is saying that all the angels will fall and become demons, in a second Fall of Rebel Angels. This can’t be right. This is what I think He means: Stars refer to the truths that people use to guide them. A sailor at sea navigates by the stars. To say that the stars will fall can mean one of two things. One, that things people strongly believe to be true will be proven false. It will become clear that people are making decisions based on false beliefs. Second, it could mean that the situation will be so dire and so confused that people will hardly know what to believe. Even legitimate truths will appear to be false.

If “stars” aren’t always angels, is there another interpretation of Revelation 12:3-4? Since Revelation is about the end times, there is no reason to expect an account of the Fall of the Rebel Angels. That happened long ago, if it happened at all.

During the Holocaust, one-third of the world’s Jewish population was killed. That is certainly an interesting coincidence, especially since the Jews are God’s chosen people. So Rev. 12:3-4 could be a prediction that the forces of evil will succeed in killing one-third of the world’s Jews. This will happen as the scene is being set for a series of events culminating in the Second Coming of Christ.

The extermination of one-third of the world’s Jews during the WWII era is a solid figure.

“The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews.”
This is from the Wikipedia article, Evidence and Documentation for the Holocaust.
Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust - Wikipedia

The star is knowledge or education. The dragon flung his knowledge onto earth.

keras · Jun 14, 2023

Dale said:
Keras, do you claim that the red dragon is a Coronal Mass Ejection?

No.
Rev 12:3, is allegorical, referring to a Spiritual happening, as Satan is thrown out of heaven.

The devil has many names and disguises. He is quite capable of deceiving even the elect.

David Kent · Jun 15, 2023

Stars in prophecy mean people. First shown in Genesis 37:9-11. They all knew what heavenly bodies meant.

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