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Right.
Two exceptions:
- If it contradicts the Bible.
- Thalidomide and the like.
Just how many counting threads do I post in?Gee, with all the counting threads you post in, you'd think you'd be able to count to ONE...
Just how many counting threads do I post in?
Hint: It's between zero and two.
I have an evidence based belief (i.e. not faith) that science is a reliable method for determining truth. If there's a scientific consensus concerning something, it's therefore reasonable to accept it as fact. On top of that, I'm never even 100% sure, as christians often claim to be about their religious ideas. Also, regarding certain facts, like the depth of the Mariana Trench, I don't have any emotional attachment (i.e. couldn't care either way). Let's recap:
1.Evidence based
2.No absolute certainty
3.No emotional attachment
I think this is about as far from religious faith as one can get.
Peter
Hey, maybe someone should go measure the depth of the Mariana Trench.Just how many counting threads do I post in?
Hint: It's between zero and two.
Ya think!?The last few posts have went off OP.
According to Wikipedia, the Mariana Trench reaches a maximum depth of 6.78 miles.If you accept this as factual, without going there and measuring it yourself --- even if everyone on earth goes there and measures it (except you) and comes back with the same figure --- then I contend that you're taking it on faith that the Mariana Trench has a maximum depth of 6.78 miles.
Faith in the written documentation and/or eyewitness testimony and/or anecdotal testimony --- either way --- it's still faith.
And I don't care if you're a taxi driver, a chef, a ballerina, or an oceanographer looking at computer printouts and sonar graphs; if you haven't gone there yourself, then you're [correctly] accepting the written documentation.
This is as it should be --- and it's called 'walking by faith'.
You are taking it at the testimony of another. How can you personally test or verify it?No. There is a little difference in these two "faiths" that you love to ignore.
You CAN verify this "Mariana trench" kind of faith... you cannot do that for the religious variant.
You are taking it at the testimony of another. How can you personally test or verify it?
You are taking it at the testimony of another. How can you personally test or verify it?
Theoretically or practically?You are taking it at the testimony of another. How can you personally test or verify it?
So whose faith is justified?Perhaps no. Most likely no. But I CAN do it... there are no fundamental obstacles keeping me from doing it.
That, my friend, is the difference. You cannot do that for this other kind of "faith". There is no method to test it, regardless of how hard you want or try.
Another good analogy.So whose faith is justified?
1. The one who can, but doesn't?
2. The one who can't, and doesnt?
Thank you, brother!Another good analogy.
Okay, well let's assume that all these people are wrong.According to Wikipedia, the Mariana Trench reaches a maximum depth of 6.78 miles.If you accept this as factual, without going there and measuring it yourself --- even if everyone on earth goes there and measures it (except you) and comes back with the same figure --- then I contend that you're taking it on faith that the Mariana Trench has a maximum depth of 6.78 miles.
Faith in the written documentation and/or eyewitness testimony and/or anecdotal testimony --- either way --- it's still faith.
And I don't care if you're a taxi driver, a chef, a ballerina, or an oceanographer looking at computer printouts and sonar graphs; if you haven't gone there yourself, then you're [correctly] accepting the written documentation.
This is as it should be --- and it's called 'walking by faith'.
Okay, well let's assume that all these people are wrong.
If they have all measured the depth independently (that is, they went by themselves and had no contact with anyone else who was measuring the depth), why would they all end up with the same mistaken result? What are the chances of that happening? Very low.
So concluding that they are correct is perfectly reasonable.
That is impossible. I took a survey class in college and everyone had a different number. I messed up my math so I took an average of what other people had and turned that in. If two people had the same answer they would have been cheating and they would have flunked the class. But there was a ballpark figure.even if everyone on earth goes there and measures it (except you) and comes back with the same figure
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