The Mariana Trench

[Belk]

If you want to claim this:

Then I'm going to ask you if it was done in spite of the Bible, or with respect to It.

Why is that such a hard question to answer?

Oh I'm sorry. Let me answer that for you.

They did it in respect to the bible.

Why do you claim the earth was created in six literal days in spite of the bible?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Kinda like the Beatles chanting GIVE PEACE A CHANCE while funding the Irish Republican Army.

I never liked the Beatles. They replaced singing with shouting.

 

[AV1611VET]

They did it in respect to the bible.

Is that your opion or theirs (or both)?

Why do you claim the earth was created in six literal days in spite of the bible?

That's so cute I want to hug a teddy bear.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

In spite of the Bible, or with respect to It?

What an ignorant question. We're talking about interdenominational violence due to differing interpretations of the Bible and you ask if it has anything to do with the Bible?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

A "lull", or an end? Most of the differences between Christian religions are being argued bloodlessly on forums such as this one.

It's probably just a lull. Christian violence against dissenters still happens. As I said, the violence now is against everyone who disagrees with the denomination, not just other Christians.

That said if you examine the bloodshed within the nominal Christian church you will find one denomination at the center of nearly all of it going back to the fourth century.

If you look back at history you'll see that denomination has been the most persecuted. What's your point?

 

[AV1611VET]

What an ignorant question. We're talking about interdenominational violence due to differing interpretations of the Bible and you ask if it has anything to do with the Bible?

I am asking you, if you think it was done with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It.

It makes all the difference in the world.

 

[juvenissun]

"Walking" by faith? "W A L K I N G" by faith? Just who calls it that (besides yourself, that is)?

Normally we say something like, "Accepted on good authority."

How do you know the person is an authority?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I am asking you, if you think it was done with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It.

It makes all the difference in the world.

And I already gave you an answer. Your question was ignorant, and you don't understand the plain English answer I gave. Perhaps you should take a while longer to get to grips with that before you post again.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If you look back at history you'll see that denomination has been the most persecuted. What's your point?

I thought I made it.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I thought I made it.

You seemed to be implying that one denomination was responsible for most of the violence. While that denomination may have instigated some conflicts, it has also been the most persecuted by others so your implication is incorrect.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You seemed to be implying that one denomination was responsible for most of the violence. While that denomination may have instigated some conflicts, it has also been the most persecuted by others so your implication is incorrect.

While the Catholic church has been persecuted by many forces outside of the Christian faith it is responsible for the most egregious persecutions within the Christian faith (and the Jewish faith as well).

 

[Kylie]

We live by a rule that academians don't like:

Romans 3:4a God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;

Let me ask again, because you seem intent on wasting my time.

If a bunch of people skilled in the area they are studying all perform tests and they all get results that agree, do you think it is likely that they got the right result or the wrong result?

Can I get a one word answer from you, AV? Just a "right" or a "wrong" please?

 

[Kylie]

And if the dentist doesn't agree, he can take a hike, can't he?

Of course. The person who studies the thing I want to know about is the one who is most likely to be correct. Doncha agree?

 

[Kylie]

Which Christian denominations are killing each other today?

The conflict between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland, sectarianism in Glasgow, the anti-Catholic position of the Ku Klux Klan, the Yugoslav wars between the Catholic Croats and Slovenes, the Serbs and Macedonians who are predominantly Eastern Orthodox (one of the largest Christian denominations).

I got this from about five minutes of looking. I could probably find quite a bit more if I looked harder, but I trust my point has been made.

 

[Kylie]

If you want to claim this:

Then I'm going to ask you if it was done in spite of the Bible, or with respect to It.

Why is that such a hard question to answer?

Well, many fundamentalists believe that others who don't have the same beliefs as them are not Christians, even if they claim to be. And when the Bible says to kill unbelievers (Deuteronomy 13:6-10), they take it way too seriously.

So yes, these people did commit acts of violence against other denominations of Christianity because their religious beliefs told them to.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

While the Catholic church has been persecuted by many forces outside of the Christian faith it is responsible for the most egregious persecutions within the Christian faith (and the Jewish faith as well).

Perhaps you should spend a little time learning about the Reformation and its consequences. Then look at how the Orthodox Church treated Catholics as it expanded. Then turn closer to home and learn about early US history (have you any idea of the beliefs of the Pilgrim fathers and the puritan colonists?). If you want something more recent bring things forward to the Ku Klux Klan from 1915 to 1940s.

Your view of interdenominational violence is either extremely simplistic or ill-informed.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I am asking you, if you think it was done with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It.

It makes all the difference in the world.

Let me make things clearer for you by illustration with 2 scenarios:

1. Protestants and Catholics in post-reformation Europe disagreed about various doctrines. They fought, rioted, killed because of these different doctrines i.e. with respect to the Bible.

2. Catholics and Orthodox lived in peace in Balkan states. When fighting broke out, Catholics and Orthodox killed each other because of ethnic and political differences i.e. in spite of the Bible.

The subject under discussion was along the lines of scenario 1 (fighting due to doctrinal disagreements). Do you understand now?

 

[AV1611VET]

Can I get a one word answer from you, AV? Just a "right" or a "wrong" please?

Right.

Two exceptions:

1. If it contradicts the Bible.
2. Thalidomide and the like.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you understand now?

I understand perfectly.

You are the one that doesn't.

Some people blow up abortion clinics, claiming they are doing it with respect to the Bible.

But anyone who asks me if I think they are doing it with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It, I'm going to answer that it was obviously done in spite of It.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I understand perfectly.

You are the one that doesn't.

Some people blow up abortion clinics, claiming they are doing it with respect to the Bible.

But anyone who asks me if I think they are doing it with respect to the Bible, or in spite of It, I'm going to answer that it was obviously done in spite of It.

And that just shows you have no understanding. Blowing up abortion clinics is not an act brought about by Christian interdenominational differences. It is a political and moral disagreement.