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THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

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Not really Stephen, I was only showing the fallacy of your argument. Your trying to argue that Jesus broke God's 4th Commandment if he did then how could he be our perfect sacrifice? You say above that Jesus was not a sinner but if Jesus (accoding to you) broke God's 4th commandment than he commited sin because sin is the transgression of God's LAW *1 JOHN 3:4. This would make Jesus a sinner if you believe that he broke God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:1-17). So how you can say Jesus broke God's 4th commandment and Jesus is not a sinner does not make any sense.

Doing Good works on the Sabbath is not breaking God's 4th commandment. This is what Jesus came to teach us *MATTHEW 12:1-12. Jesus was never out doing his own work on the Sabbath building houses and furniture now was he? You may need to read what the actual 4th commandment states. It seems you do not understand it. *EXODUS 20:8-11 is a reference to doing our own work not doing God's WORK.

These are the very words of Jesus brother and they disagree with you.

MATTHEW 5:17-20
[17], Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
[18], For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19], Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[20], For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Hope this helps
 
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Where does the law make provision for good works that would otherwise be a violation of the law?
 
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Where does the law make provision for good works that would otherwise be a violation of the law?

EXODUS 20:8-11 speciifically states the doing your own works on God's 7th Day SABBATH is breaking it.
MATTHEW 12:1-12 Jesus is stating it is lawful to do GOOD or God's WORK on the Sabbath.
 
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Not really JBL you either agree to have a discussion or you do not which is it?
Do you agree to answer my questions and respond to my posts with all the scriptures in them YES/NO? The only one stalling is you not agreeing to a discussion as I have already agreed. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; HEBEREWS 7-10 with God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172.
 
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Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
John 12:49-50
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
 
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Well brother if your willing to start a thread I will post my full view on the subject in it. Or if you would like to discuss it over message I will be happy to do that as well.

God Bless Brother
 
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Well brother if your willing to start a thread I will post my full view on the subject in it. Or if you would like to discuss it over message I will be happy to do that as well.

God Bless Brother

Either way is fine with me but I do not have time to run another thread ATM. I have already gone through and looked at all the scriptures you have provided earlier and addressed them my end but did not see the point of posting them as the responding post would have been too big and this was not the topic of the OP.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word
 
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Alright I'll just send it to you by message then brother.
 
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EXODUS 20:8-11 speciifically states the doing your own works on God's 7th Day SABBATH is breaking it.
MATTHEW 12:1-12 Jesus is stating it is lawful to do GOOD or God's WORK on the Sabbath.
That serves to prove my point.
We agree that Jesus said it was lawful to do good works on the Sabbath, but the law doesn't say that. So, how can what Jesus did be lawful? Only by his own declaration. (not according to the existing law) And not without him changing the law.

You have failed to show where the law make provision for good works that would otherwise be a violation of the law?

Maybe you are beginning to see what I am driving at here. Was Jesus avoiding breaking the law by changing it? By replacing it? Or even putting it aside? (part of replacing it)
 
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Good to see that you finally discovered the law written on our hearts, not the Ten Commandments, but God's voice. Those were the commandments Jesus was following.
 
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Good to see that you finally discovered the law written on our hearts, not the Ten Commandments, but God's voice. Those were the commandments Jesus was following.
Exactly the Law written in our hearts(tables of Flesh) the Law of Christ/the Moral law. Which are the Commandments given by God.
 
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No not at all. I think you just did not like the answer provided with the scriptures. God's 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 specifically states what not to do. Doing any of these things break it. There is nothing written in the 4th commandment about doing Good or Doing God's WORK on the Sabbath is there?

In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2'; Luke 6:1-2). Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matthew 12:12)

*Now Jesus did not do his own work on the Sabbath did he? Therefore he did not break it.
 
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It is my right to do so. (or not) Only a bully would demand answers as if he is interrogating prisoners. That's sociopathic behavior. (or worse) I don't care for long posts either. I don't like to write them, and I rarely read them.

Then you are not having a discussion now are you.
 
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Exactly the Law written in our hearts(tables of Flesh) the Law of Christ/the Moral law. Which are the Commandments given by God.
Perhaps you didn't follow what I said. I meant the good works which God prepared in advance for us to do. Individualized instructions that we receive in the moment.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
 
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How does that apply specifically to what Jesus was doing? Working and gathering food on the Sabbath. Asking a man to carry his mattress. Things like that.
 
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