The Lord's Day is Sunday.

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Because that is when they gathered for worship! One follows the other. And that is when they collected their offerings as well! That doesn't demand it be the "Lords Day" Jewish believers in Israel worship on Saturdays, Muslim believers worship on Fridays.

If you want to call Sunday by a special name, you are free to do so and enjoy it in the Lord all you wish, just don't tell everyone else they ahve to call it that when the Lord nor the Apostles ever called it such!

I believe the Lord's day is Sunday.
Why? Because if we see a list of things called, the Lord's supper, Lord's cup, and the Lord's table, etc. then we can conclude that the day that they celebrate these things would be called the Lord's day. Again, it is highly unlikely to conclude that John was referring to the Saturday Sabbath when he said the “Lord's day” in Revelation 1:10. Why would John refer to the Sabbath in some kind of code word? He simply would have said Sabbath if it was the Sabbath.

 

[nolidad]

I believe the Lord's day is Sunday.
Why? Because if we see a list of things called, the Lord's supper, Lord's cup, and the Lord's table, etc. then we can conclude that the day that they celebrate these things would be called the Lord's day. Again, it is highly unlikely to conclude that John was referring to the Saturday Sabbath when he said the “Lord's day” in Revelation 1:10. Why would John refer to the Sabbath in some kind of code word? He simply would have said Sabbath if it was the Sabbath.

And the Lords Supper, the Lords Cup teh Lords Table etc, would still be called those exact same thing if a communion service was held on any and every other day of teh week. Teh term "Lord" describes teh cup, supper and table, not a day!

 

[DarylFawcett]

At the time that John actually penned Revelation 1:10 were the Christians actually observing the first day of the week (Sunday) as the Lord's Day?

 

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No it works out perfectly, but you have a misunderstanding, and if you would like to discuss it, PM me, and I will speak with you there about it, as this thread is more important than this thing.

Lets not keep things in the dark or in the shadows. There is no reason to keep such a truth hidden by PM. You can simply add to my discussion your view of how you think 72 hours works in your model in this thread here:

My New Chronology on the Passion Week

 

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And the Lords Supper, the Lords Cup teh Lords Table etc, would still be called those exact same thing if a communion service was held on any and every other day of teh week. Teh term "Lord" describes teh cup, supper and table, not a day!

But they gathered on the FIRST day of the week for the Lord's supper according to
Acts of the Apostles 20:7 (Which is a Sunday). Well, that is if you want to be biblical.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I am pretty certain that there have to be some sources not forged and not heavily interpolated -- from tradition that make a claim for "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day".

Nice try. I wasn't quoting from one of the pseudo-Ignatian epistles or from the long recension.

-CryptoLutheran

 

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At the time that John actually penned Revelation 1:10 were the Christians actually observing the first day of the week (Sunday) as the Lord's Day?

The book of Revelation was the last book of the Bible and it was written in 96CE.
Acts of the Apostles 20:7 (Written before Revelation) already records Christians participating in the Lord's supper the first day of the week (Sunday).

 

[ViaCrucis]

At the time that John actually penned Revelation 1:10 were the Christians actually observing the first day of the week (Sunday) as the Lord's Day?

Yes.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[eleos1954]

I've looked at many many MANY sources ... and those keeping Sunday all point back in history as coming from paganism ... then crept into the organized churches ... like I said before ... most prominently during the reign of Constantine.

so are you in agreement with this ...

Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath

Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.
The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all." Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

 

[DarylFawcett]

What time of the evening did Paul preach in regards to Acts 20:7?

Was it an all night service from Saturday evening to Sunday morning, or was it an all night service from Sunday evening to Monday morning?

 

[eleos1954]

And the Lords Supper, the Lords Cup teh Lords Table etc, would still be called those exact same thing if a communion service was held on any and every other day of teh week. Teh term "Lord" describes teh cup, supper and table, not a day!

The word Lord means master.

Strong's Greek: 2962. κύριος (kurios) -- lord, master

2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising absolute ownership rights; lord (Lord).

He created it for mankind .... owns it .... and gave it to mankind to keep it Holy (set apart)

Isaiah 58:13

13If you turn your foot from breaking the Sabbath,
from doing as you please on My holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight,
and the LORD’s holy day honorable,
if you honor it by not going your own way
or seeking your own pleasure or speaking idle words,
14then you will delight yourself in the LORD,
and I will make you ride on the heights of the land
and feed you with the heritage of your father Jacob.”

Remember the Sabbath and KEEP it Holy.

Only God can make something Holy and He created the 7th day and made the 7th day Holy.

Genesis 2:3
English Standard Version
So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Berean Study Bible
Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I've looked at many many MANY sources ... and those keeping Sunday all point back in history as coming from paganism ... then crept into the organized churches ... like I said before ... most prominently during the reign of Constantine.

so are you in agreement with this ...

Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath

Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.
The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all." Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

The Lord's Day does not "replace" the Sabbath, it is an entirely different thing. Some Jewish Christians did continue to observe the Sabbath, but not all; while Gentile Christians certainly didn't.

"I do not say so; but those who have persecuted and do persecute Christ, if they do not repent, shall not inherit anything on the holy mountain. But the Gentiles, who have believed on Him, and have repented of the sins which they have committed, they shall receive the inheritance along with the patriarchs and the prophets, and the just men who are descended from Jacob, even although they neither keep the Sabbath, nor are circumcised, nor observe the feasts." - St. Justin, Dialogue with Trypho, 26

That is both Gentiles and those Jewish Christians who no longer observe the Torah both, on account of Christ, have a place in the Age to Come, through faith.

If one is truly curious to know what Christians have always believed and worshiped, just ask them. It's right there, the Church has never been shy about talking about this.

"And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Spirit. And on the day called the day of the sun, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the one presiding verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the one presiding in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks has been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the one presiding, who succors the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But the day of the sun is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn; and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration." - St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, 67

In the following, Tertullian rebukes the Pagans who attempt to mock Christians by accusing them of sun-worship, for it is they who in truth honor the sun; it is the Pagans who dedicate the first day of the week to the sun,

"Others, with greater regard to good manners, it must be confessed, suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is a well known fact that we pray toward the east, or because we make the day of the sun a day of festivity. What then? Do you do less than this? Do not many among you, with an affectation of sometimes worshiping the heavenly bodies likewise, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise? It is you, at all events, who have even admitted the sun into the calendar of the week; and you have selected its day, in preference to the preceding day as the most suitable in the week for either an entire abstinence from the bath, or for its postponement until the evening, or for taking rest and for banqueting. By resorting to these customs, you deliberately deviate from your own religious rites to those of strangers. For the Jewish feasts on the Sabbath and 'the Purification,' and Jewish also are the ceremonies of the lamps, and the fasts of unleavened bread, and the 'littoral prayers,' all which institutions and practices are of course foreign from your gods. Wherefore, that I may return from this digression, you who reproach us with the sun and the day of the sun should consider your proximity to us. We are not far off from your Saturn and your days of rest." - Tertullian, Ad Nationes, I.13

"For in respect of the observance of the eighth day in the Jewish circumcision of the flesh, a sacrament was given beforehand in shadow and in usage; but when Christ came, it was fulfilled in truth. For because the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, was to be that on which the Lord should rise again, and should quicken us, and give us circumcision of the spirit, the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, and the Lord's day, went before in the figure; which figure ceased when by and by the truth came, and spiritual circumcision was given to us." - St. Cyprian of Carthage, Epistle 58.4

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BobRyan]

Nice try. I wasn't quoting from one of the pseudo-Ignatian epistles or from the long recension.

-CryptoLutheran

I am glad you did not quote from one of the many Ingatian documents that were accepted as legit only to later be found to be either fakes or highly interpolated. Nice of you to try to filter though that list.

 

[BobRyan]

At the time that John actually penned Revelation 1:10 were the Christians actually observing the first day of the week (Sunday) as the Lord's Day?

nope

 

[BobRyan]

But they gathered on the FIRST day of the week for the Lord's supper according to
Acts of the Apostles 20:7 (Which is a Sunday). Well, that is if you want to be biblical.

Acts 20:7 says they did that once as part of a farewell meeting since Paul was leaving on the next day. It was apparently after sunset and if that evening was indeed week-day-1 then it means Paul had planned all-day-travel on week-day-1.

But no matter which way it worked out - it is mentioned as a farewell service for worship and a sermon - but missed the golden opportunity to that one long-hoped-for text saying "Oh by the way - we meet every week-day-1 for worship because for us it is a weekly memorial of the Lord's resurrection... as opposed to a yearly memorial at Easter. So we call it the Lord's Day".

Wouldn't it have been great if they had actually said that at least ONCE in the NT??

 

[parousia70]

Non-Israelis could benefit from the covenant by becoming proselytes, but the Covenants were made with teh Descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their children for all generations!

That's a big club, and we're all in it.

As a result of natural dispersion and diffusion over more than 3,000 years, Abraham's genome is ubiquitous in the entire human race.

Genetics and mathematics concur.

So does the contemporary Jewish community, who acknowledge and applaud the reality.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

 

[BobRyan]

That's a big club, and we're all in it.

As a result of natural dispersion and diffusion over more than 3,000 years, Abraham's genome is ubiquitous in the entire human race.

Genetics and mathematics concur.

So does the contemporary Jewish community, who acknowledge and applaud the reality.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

And before going to that argument - what about Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who is the NEW Covenant made with according to Jer 31 and Hebrews 8:6-12?

 

[BobRyan]

The Lord's Day does not "replace" the Sabbath, it is an entirely different thing. Some Jewish Christians did continue to observe the Sabbath, but not all; while Gentile Christians certainly didn't.

Acts 13 - gentiles beg to have the Gospel preached again to them - the next Sabbath.
Acts 18:4 gentiles and Jews gather "every Sabbath" for more gospel preaching.

Isaiah 56:6-8 gentiles specifically singled out Sabbath blessing.
Isaiah 66:23 - "all mankind" to worship God on Sabbath for all eternity in the New Earth.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Acts 13 - gentiles beg to have the Gospel preached again to them - the next Sabbath.
Acts 18:4 gentiles and Jews gather "every Sabbath" for more gospel preaching.

Oh, so these Greeks, they are at a Jewish synagogue. Interesting, so that probably means that they weren't Pagans, and they weren't Christians. That would make them God-fearers. Gentiles sympathetic to Judaism who worshiped the God of Israel, but who had not yet made a formal conversion to Judaism.

So, yeah, there would absolutely be God-fearers and Jews at a synagogue. But that Jews gathered to worship at the synagogue on the Sabbath isn't exactly all that shocking, now is it.

Isaiah 56:6-8 gentiles specifically singled out Sabbath blessing.

Sojourners. For the sojourners in Israel who have chosen to be part of God's people. The sojourner who, the convert to Judaism, should not see himself as separate from God's people, neither should the eunuch not observe the Torah simply because he shall have no progeny. The sojourner is one from among the nations who has chosen to join himself to God by becoming a Jew. That is why it says, "the sojourners who join themselves to the LORD".

Isaiah 66:23 - "all mankind" to worship God on Sabbath for all eternity in the New Earth.

So I can expect you to also believe that, in the New Earth, the old Jerusalem will remain, it and its temple, and its priesthood, and sacrifices? So that God will reinstate the Levitical system in the Temple?

"For thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in My presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever." - Jeremiah 33:15-18

Or, perhaps, given the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, the meaning of certain texts should be understood in light of the revelation which we have in Jesus; rather than trying to force Old Testament opinions over and against the revelation of God's own Word become flesh.

But you tell me.

Will I have to bring lambs, goats, pigeons, and oxen to the Temple for all eternity to be burnt as an offering to God?

-CryptoLutheran

 

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Acts 20:7 says they did that once as part of a farewell meeting since Paul was leaving on the next day. It was apparently after sunset and if that evening was indeed week-day-1 then it means Paul had planned all-day-travel on week-day-1.

But no matter which way it worked out - it is mentioned as a farewell service for worship and a sermon - but missed the golden opportunity to that one long-hoped-for text saying "Oh by the way - we meet every week-day-1 for worship because for us it is a weekly memorial of the Lord's resurrection... as opposed to a yearly memorial at Easter. So we call it the Lord's Day".

Wouldn't it have been great if they had actually said that at least ONCE in the NT??

Here is what the Bible says.

“And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” (Acts of the Apostles 20:7).

Here is what you want it to say.

“And upon the first day of the week, the disciples came together to break bread as a part of a farewell to Paul; So Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” (Acts of the Apostles 20:7) (Sabbath Influenced Version) (Important Note: No actual Bible translation like this exists; It is for demonstrative purposes only to show a false misinterpretation upon the text).