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What day do you believe is the “Lord's Day” in Revelation 1:10?


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True - but as Paul points out in Romans 6 -- that fact is not an argument for ignoring the Word of God - for sinning without regard to the will of God.

We have beaten this issue past the point of it being useful.

I will close my comments with this:

Romans 14:4-7
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4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

If you wish to hold the Sabbath as sacred, that is your privilege and right in the Lord! If you wish to join a whole sect that wishes to hold the Sabbath as sacred and holy, that is your privilege and right in the Lord. I will defend your right to do so with all my strength as long as I have breath in me!

However, if you demand that all followers of Jesus Christ must keep one day as holy and that they sin if they don't, then I must resist you with all my strength as long as I have breath in me.
 
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We have beaten this issue past the point of it being useful.

I will close my comments with this:

Romans 14:4-7
King James Version

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

If you wish to hold the Sabbath as sacred, that is your privilege and right in the Lord! If you wish to join a whole sect that wishes to hold the Sabbath as sacred and holy, that is your privilege and right in the Lord. I will defend your right to do so with all my strength as long as I have breath in me!

However, if you demand that all followers of Jesus Christ must keep one day as holy and that they sin if they don't, then I must resist you with all my strength as long as I have breath in me.
This is where you have it wrong. I am not demanding anything. God is the one who asked us to worship Him on Sabbath, the Seventh Day. Had God bless the First day of the week and made that day Holy, that would be the day I would worship. It's not what anyone on here says, its what the Bible and what God says that matters.

God isn't demanding anything as He gave us free will. But, I believe there are consequences according to the Bible to know the truth, but choosing not to follow. Since there are so many scriptures on Sabbath- maybe you should give it a try?
 
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Paul was not keeping the Sabbath as an example for us or for anyone else to follow. Paul merely was preaching on the Sabbath so as to reach Jews. The Jews gathered on Saturday to worship, and so Paul chose this day to speak to them so as to reach them for the Lord. The fact that the Gentiles happened to be there does not change anything. Paul did not command anyone to keep the Sabbath, and nor did he say that he kept the Sabbath as an example for others to follow, either.

Those scriptures prove that the sabbath day on seventh day of the week was kept well after the death of Jesus. In (Acts 17:1-2) (v.2) Now when they had passed through Am-phip’-o-lis and Ap-ol-lo’-ni-a, they came to Thes-sa-lo-ni’-ca, where was a synagogue of the Jews: (v.2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Now Paul evidently was around Thes-sa-lo-ni'-ca for a few weeks and as his manner was he went into the synagogue three sabbath days. Do you understand what the word manner means? Its definition is; a characteristic or customary mode of acting: custom: fashion. It was the law. Paul went into the synagogue every sabbath, not every Sunday people, this is the apostle Paul, and it said that Paul reasoned with them out of the scriptures. I wonder why Paul didn't enlighten them with some 1 Corinthians, or maybe hit them with some Galatians, or endow them with a little 2 Thessalonians, because these books were not around when Paul was preaching the gospel. He reasoned with them out of the scriptures, which are from Genesis to Malachi. (Acts 18:1, 4) (v.1) After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; (v.4) And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Why is Paul continuing to go into the church on the sabbath? Because that’s when everybody that dealt with the word of God of this bible held their holy convocations, every sabbath (Saturday). That’s why you had the Jews (Israelites) and the Greeks (strangers) in the church on the sabbath day. Now we have read in several
places that proved Paul without any doubt whatsoever kept the seventh day sabbath which is Saturday.

I as a bible student I have examined the bible testimonies on the first day of the week, there are eight to be exact, and without exception they are silent as to any of the disciples observing Sunday as a holy day.

How is it possible that these accounts, written over 40 years after the crucifixion, have neglected to mention Sunday sacredness? There is no biblical support for the changing of God’s holy sabbath from the seventh day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday).
 
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This is where you have it wrong. I am not demanding anything. God is the one who asked us to worship Him on Sabbath, the Seventh Day. Had God bless the First day of the week and made that day Holy, that would be the I would worship. It's not what anyone on here says, its what the Bible and what God says that matters.

Well then you read a different Bible than all the rest of the followers of Jesus.

I know without a doubt that God blessed the seventh day. That is the bible
I know there is not one mention of anyone prior to Israel after they went to Mount Sinai, ordered to keep THE Sabbath. That is the Bible.
I know that the Sabbath was commanded to Israel as the sign of teh covenant between God and the nation of Israel: That is the Bible:
Exodus 31:12-17
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12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Ezekiel 20:12-13
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12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.



I know that strangers (non -Jews) who lived in the promised land God gave to Israel had to keep Sabbath: That is the Bible

I know in eternity we will be worshipping the Father from Sabbath to Sabbath : that is the bible.

But no where in the Bible do we see a command that God ordered the church to keep the Sabbath, nor do we in church history see the church keeping Sabbath (except for the Jewish wing of the church).

I know that Paul warned the Galatians and us by extension that to observe Sabbaths and feasts is a dangerous thing via the Judiazers wished the Gentiles to. That is the Bible.

Also not one word is found in any of the Epistles telling gentiles to keep the Sabbath! Of teh ten commandments which are a ministry of death- 9 are expressly commanded in teh epistles, but no where do we see a command to keep the Seventh day or Shabbat. That also is the Bible.

I do see teh Bible telling the church to make up your own mind:

Romans 14
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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

This is the bible!
 
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Those scriptures prove that the sabbath day on seventh day of the week was kept well after the death of Jesus. In (Acts 17:1-2) (v.2) Now when they had passed through Am-phip’-o-lis and Ap-ol-lo’-ni-a, they came to Thes-sa-lo-ni’-ca, where was a synagogue of the Jews: (v.2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Now Paul evidently was around Thes-sa-lo-ni'-ca for a few weeks and as his manner was he went into the synagogue three sabbath days. Do you understand what the word manner means? Its definition is; a characteristic or customary mode of acting: custom: fashion. It was the law. Paul went into the synagogue every sabbath, not every Sunday people, this is the apostle Paul, and it said that Paul reasoned with them out of the scriptures. I wonder why Paul didn't enlighten them with some 1 Corinthians, or maybe hit them with some Galatians, or endow them with a little 2 Thessalonians, because these books were not around when Paul was preaching the gospel. He reasoned with them out of the scriptures, which are from Genesis to Malachi. (Acts 18:1, 4) (v.1) After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; (v.4) And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Why is Paul continuing to go into the church on the sabbath? Because that’s when everybody that dealt with the word of God of this bible held their holy convocations, every sabbath (Saturday). That’s why you had the Jews (Israelites) and the Greeks (strangers) in the church on the sabbath day. Now we have read in several
places that proved Paul without any doubt whatsoever kept the seventh day sabbath which is Saturday.

I as a bible student I have examined the bible testimonies on the first day of the week, there are eight to be exact, and without exception they are silent as to any of the disciples observing Sunday as a holy day.

How is it possible that these accounts, written over 40 years after the crucifixion, have neglected to mention Sunday sacredness? There is no biblical support for the changing of God’s holy sabbath from the seventh day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday).

Again, you are reading your own bias into the text. These were clearly methods of evangelism and it was not examples for believers to keep the Sabbath. Gentiles at the Jerusalem council were told that they did not have to keep circumcision and the Law of Moses as a whole (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24) (Note: This would be the 613 laws of Moses as a package deal).

No command exists in the New Testament for us to keep the Saturday Sabbath command. In fact, we are commanded to not keep it because Colossians 2:16 says we are not to let others judge us in regards to sabbaths. This naturally would include all sabbaths because the book of Colossians does not say anything about excluding the weekly Sabbath in Colossians 2:16. But again, you have a bias towards wanting to keep the Sabbath, and so you are forced to make Colossians 2:16 say what you want it to say.
 
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You might want consider revising your tag line:
Jesus says,
"if you love me, keep my commandments"
(John 14:15).

The 4th Commandment is part of the 10 Commandments.

Mathew 5:19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

First, the Old Testament Law of Moses had approximately 613 laws or commands. It was not just the 10. These laws were given to Israel and not the church.

Second, when Jesus died upon the cross, He started a new covenant with new commands. Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

Three, Matthew 5:19 is in reference to the NEW commands that Jesus was giving us at the sermon on the mount. An example of a least command would be to: “Rejoice, and be exceeding glad” when, men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for Christ's sake (See: Matthew 5:11-12). For there is no warnings of hellfire or condemnation attached to not keeping this command, and it does not appear to be a major violation of loving God. Granted, we should keep this command, too. No doubt about it. But the point here is if we drop the ball on keeping this command from our Lord, we are not going to be condemned. But if we fail in Matthew 5:28-30. That is another matter. For Jesus said if one were to look upon another woman in lust, they have committed adultery in their heart and they are in danger of hell fire. This is a new command, but it is attached with warnings of hellfire. So obviously this is not a “least command,” but this is a major command that we must keep. Granted, if we drop the ball in lusting after another, we must confess this sin to the Lord Jesus, and forsake it as a part of being forgiven (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Proverbs 28:13).

Four, what I would like for you to do is try and find a command in the New Testament where Jesus or His followers command us to keep the Saturday Sabbath. I would also like for you to find the breaking of the Saturday Sabbath as being a sin listed among the other sins that Paul mentions in Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Colossians 3:5-6, or by John in Revelation 21:8, etc.; Note: If you did make such an attempt, I can guarantee you that you will not find anything. This means things have indeed changed between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Five, we are commanded in Colossians 2:16 not to let others judge us according to Sabbaths. This is why some groups are Paul rejecters. They are known as Ebionites. They know clearly what Paul meant in Colossians 2:16, and this is one of the reasons why they reject the writings of Paul as authoritative Scripture. But some Sabbatarians try to make Colossians 2:16 say something different than what it plainly says. They try to make Romans 14:5 make it say something different than what it says. Why? They obviously like keeping the Sabbath despite what Scripture says. It is that simple.
 
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First, the Old Testament Law of Moses had approximately 613 laws or commands. It was not just the 10. These laws were given to Israel and not the church.

Second, when Jesus died upon the cross, He started a new covenant with new commands. Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

Three, Matthew 5:19 is in reference to the NEW commands that Jesus was giving us at the sermon on the mount. An example of a least command would be to: “Rejoice, and be exceeding glad” when, men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for Christ's sake (See: Matthew 5:11-12). For there is no warnings of hellfire or condemnation attached to not keeping this command, and it does not appear to be a major violation of loving God. Granted, we should keep this command, too. No doubt about it. But the point here is if we drop the ball on keeping this command from our Lord, we are not going to be condemned. But if we fail in Matthew 5:28-30. That is another matter. For Jesus said if one were to look upon another woman in lust, they have committed adultery in their heart and they are in danger of hell fire. This is a new command, but it is attached with warnings of hellfire. So obviously this is not a “least command,” but this is a major command that we must keep. Granted, if we drop the ball in lusting after another, we must confess this sin to the Lord Jesus, and forsake it as a part of being forgiven (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Proverbs 28:13).

Four, what I would like for you to do is try and find a command in the New Testament where Jesus or His followers command us to keep the Saturday Sabbath. I would also like for you to find the breaking of the Saturday Sabbath as being a sin listed among the other sins that Paul mentions in Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Colossians 3:5-6, or by John in Revelation 21:8, etc.; Note: If you did make such an attempt, I can guarantee you that you will not find anything. This means things have indeed changed between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Five, we are commanded in Colossians 2:16 not to let others judge us according to Sabbaths. This is why some groups are Paul rejecters. They are known as Ebionites. They know clearly what Paul meant in Colossians 2:16, and this is one of the reasons why they reject the writings of Paul as authoritative Scripture. But some Sabbatarians try to make Colossians 2:16 say something different than what it plainly says. They try to make Romans 14:5 make it say something different than what it says. Why? They obviously like keeping the Sabbath despite what Scripture says. It is that simple.


1.) I have a hard time believing that God has one set of Commandments for Jews and one for everyone else. That doesn't seem logical and based on the scriptures that repeats how important the Commandments are, only Jews would be saved. Yes, there was a lot of statues and ceremonial laws in the Old Tenements but only one "Ten Commandments" that were written in stone, so different that the rest no? The 10 Commandments were in the Sacred Tabernacle, so different that the other traditions and ceremonial laws? These were Gods special laws, written in Stone to be eternal and everlasting. God does not have to repeat Himself does He for us to Obey? He is unchanging. "I am the Lord, I change not" (Malachi 3:6)

The Sabbath was made for man.” Mark 2:27 (doesn't say Jews- it says for man-all of us)

God calls the Sabbath, “my holy day.” Isaiah 58:13 (It doesn't say Sunday- its Sabbath, clearly defined the Seventh Day in the 4th Commandment)

The fourth commandment itself says the “stranger” is to rest on the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10. “Strangers” are non-Jews, or Gentiles. Thus the Sabbath applies to them too.

“Also the sons of the stranger … every one that keeps the Sabbath … for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people .” Isaiah 56:6, 7


2.) Colossians 2:14 tells us that the law that was nailed to the cross was the "handwriting of ordinances," not the finger writing. And which law was that? "They will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses" (2 Chronicles 33:8, emphasis added). The law nailed to the cross in Colossians 2 was written on paper and "against us." (Plus, it is very difficult to nail stone tablets to anything.) from SabbathTruth.com

Even at crucifixion Jesus kept the Sabbath by resting on Saturday and rising the First day of the week Easter Sunday. No laws were changed. "I am the Lord, I change not" (Malachi 3:6)


3.)Did Jesus Abolish the Seventh-day Sabbath? Contrary to popular ideas, Christ’s teachings and example both uphold the validity of the Fourth Commandment. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus made it absolutely clear that the commandments of God are in force under the New Covenant: “Therefore, whoever shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of [from] heaven; but whoever shall practice and teach them, this one shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 5:19). Which commandment of God is typically rejected and considered the “least” by mainstream Christianity today? The Fourth Commandment! As strange as it may seem, many of those who reject this commandment will profess to keep the other commandments and claim that they are doing the will of God. But as the apostle James shows, breaking even one of the commandments of God is sin, and brings the same condemnation as breaking them all. “For if anyone keeps the whole law, but sins in one aspect, he becomes guilty of all” (James 2:10). Let us examine the Fourth Commandment—considered the least by mainstream Christianity: “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter; your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your livestock, nor the stranger within your gates; for in six days the LORD made the heaven and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it” (Ex. 20:8-11). Nowhere in the entire Bible do we find a single scripture that changes the day of rest and worship from the seventh day of the week to Sunday, the first day of the week. Several passages are often used by Sunday-keepers to support their belief that Christians should worship on the first day of the week. However, when those passages are correctly understood and interpreted, it is clear that Jesus Christ did not change the Sabbath from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week. (See Rome’s Challenge to the Protestants.) Jesus said, “The Sabbath was made for man…” (Mark 2:27). Contrary to the teachings of mainstream theologians, God did not command Sabbath keeping for the Jews only. In the beginning, God created the Sabbath by hallowing the seventh day as the weekly day of rest and worship—when there was not a single Jew on earth. The only humans at that time were Adam and Eve, the progenitors of all mankind. It was for all humanity that God blessed and sanctified the seventh day, making it holy: “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And by the beginning of the seventh day God finished His work which He had made. And He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made” (Gen. 2:1-3). The seventh day was sanctified at the creation of the world. God established that day as a time for rest and worship from the beginning. He sanctified it, and blessed it, and rested on it, setting the example for mankind. Down through the ages, the record of this act of God has been preserved in the book of Genesis, one of the books of the Law. Remember what Jesus Christ declared concerning the Law: “For truly I say to you, until the heaven and the earth shall pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the Law until everything has been fulfilled” (Matt. 5:18). Since God created time, and time is measured by the movement of the earth in relationship to the heavens, time will exist as long as the heavens and the earth exist. As long as the heavens and the earth exist, the seventh-day Sabbath will not pass from the Law. Consequently, 2 the Fourth Commandment is still in force today and remains binding on all mankind. Contrary to what mainstream Christianity may teach or what people may practice, Sunday has never been and will never be the Lord’s day. The seventh day of the week, called Saturday today, is the Lord’s Sabbath day. Jesus Christ emphatically declared that He is Lord of the Sabbath day: “And He said to them, ‘The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath; therefore, the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath’ ” (Mark 2:27-28). Jesus Himself declared that He is Lord of the Sabbath—the seventh day of the week. Therefore, the Sabbath day is the Lord’s day—not Sunday. Some have misconstrued Jesus’ declaration that He is Lord of the Sabbath as signifying that He was abolishing the Sabbath by His authority. This interpretation of Jesus’ words is completely unfounded. Among the scholars who understand the true meaning of these Scriptures are the writers of The Anchor Bible Dictionary. Notice what they have written about these critical verses: “At times Jesus is interpreted to have abrogated or suspended the Sabbath commandment on the basis of the controversies brought about by Sabbath healings and other acts. Careful analysis of the respective passages does not seem to give credence to this interpretation. The action of plucking the ears of grain on the Sabbath by the disciples is particularly important in this matter. Jesus makes a foundational pronouncement at that time in … [an authoritatively] structured statement of antithetic [contrasting] parallelism: ‘The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath’ (Mark 2:27). The disciples’ act of plucking the grain infringed against the rabbinic halakhah of minute casuistry in which it was forbidden to reap, thresh, winnow, and grind on the Sabbath (Sabb. 7.2). Here again rabbinic Sabbath halakhah is rejected, as in other Sabbath conflicts. Jesus reforms the Sabbath and restores its rightful place as designed in creation, where Sabbath is made for all mankind and not specifically for Israel, as claimed by normative Judaism (cf. Jub. 2:19-20, see D.3). The subsequent logion, ‘The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath’ (Mark 2:28; Matt. 12:8; Luke 6:5), indicates that manmade Sabbath halakhah does not rule the Sabbath, but that the Son of Man as Lord determines the true meaning of the Sabbath. The Sabbath activities of Jesus are neither hurtful provocations nor mere protests against rabbinic legal restrictions, but are part of Jesus’ essential proclamation of the in-breaking of the kingdom of God in which man is taught the original meaning of the Sabbath as the recurring weekly proleptic ‘day of the Lord’ in which God manifests his healing and saving rulership over man” (vol. 5, pp. 854-55). As these scholars show, the Gospel accounts do not support the widespread belief that Jesus abolished the Sabbath day. Rather, as Lord of the Sabbath, He taught the true meaning of the Sabbath day and set the example for its proper observance. Long after His death and resurrection, Jesus’ apostles continued to keep the Sabbath and to teach the early believers to keep it as well.

https://www.churchathome.org/pdf/did_jesus_abolish_the_seventh-day_sabbath.pdf


4.) This is going off the false premise that the 10 Commandments were "done" away with or at least 1 right? The references of Sabbath keeping in the New Testaments was previously given to you by BroT. God wrote the day He wanted to worship in the Old Testaments and by example Kept the Sabbath and His disciples in the New Testament. Here's more scripture.


And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

- Luke 4:16

And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

- Luke 4:31


And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.

- Luke 13:10

Where is any reference in the Bible God Blessed Sunday the first day and asked us to keep that day Holy?

There is no evidence Gods law was ever done away with. Omission is not the same. Saturday was the day of worship in Biblical times so it was never an issue as it is today on what day to worship God, again clearly outlined in the beginning of time His Holy day, the Sabbath. Man changed Gods day not God.


The Catholic Mirror of September 23, 1894, puts it this way: “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”


5.)

In Romans 14:5, Paul is pleading with the Jewish Christians to cease fighting about the observance of ceremonial days and feasts which ended at the cross. Then he counsels, "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

Persuaded by the Bible

By what standard shall we be persuaded in our own minds? "By the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever" (1 Peter 1:23). The word of God outlines His day of worship, the seventh day of the week.

The overwhelming amount of scriptures in both in Old and New Testaments on Sabbath and Commandments compared to some obscure scriptures twisted to believe what people want to instead of God's Will just seems dangerous. I believe Satan is trying to win as many souls as possible. Satan wants us to believe Gods sacred day is forgotten. Not something I am willing to risk. Someone mentioned on here its too hard to keep Gods laws. God gives His Holy Spirit to help us.

But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Mathew 19:26
 
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Again, you are reading your own bias into the text. These were clearly methods of evangelism and it was not examples for believers to keep the Sabbath. Gentiles at the Jerusalem council were told that they did not have to keep circumcision and the Law of Moses as a whole (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24) (Note: This would be the 613 laws of Moses as a package deal).

No command exists in the New Testament for us to keep the Saturday Sabbath command. In fact, we are commanded to not keep it because Colossians 2:16 says we are not to let others judge us in regards to sabbaths. This naturally would include all sabbaths because the book of Colossians does not say anything about excluding the weekly Sabbath in Colossians 2:16. But again, you have a bias towards wanting to keep the Sabbath, and so you are forced to make Colossians 2:16 say what you want it to say.

Now Paul said in Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Keep in mind there was no New Testament when Paul and the apostles wrote these letters.

Let's take a closer look at Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

Most people that quote that verse and keep hardly no laws, or no Sabbath days whatsoever, no High days Holy Days which refers to the new moon, that Paul is talking about. These sabbaths are in Leviticus 23rd chapter. Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween, etc, but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc…Leviticus 23: 1-44. All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

So actually that verse is for one who keep the Sabbath day, new moon, Holy Days, etc, not the other way around.
 
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Now Paul said in Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Keep in mind there was no New Testament when Paul and the apostles wrote these letters.

Let's take a closer look at Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

Most people that quote that verse and keep hardly no laws, or no Sabbath days whatsoever, no High days Holy Days which refers to the new moon, that Paul is talking about. These sabbaths are in Leviticus 23rd chapter. Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween, etc, but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc…Leviticus 23: 1-44. All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

So actually that verse is for one who keep the Sabbath day, new moon, Holy Days, etc, not the other way around.

Read Leviticus 23:3. It mentions the weekly Sabbath. So if Colossians 2:16 is a reference to Leviticus 23, it mentions the Saturday Sabbath that you so desperately want to exclude from Colossians 2:16.

Nowhere does Paul hint at the fact that he was only referring to the high sabbaths only in Colossians 2:16, nor in Romans 14, either. You simply want to keep the Sabbath because you enjoy keeping it. It has nothing to do with what the Scriptures plainly say. If it did, you would be posting a verse to prove your case. So far, no Sabbatarian Christian here in this forum has actually done that.
 
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1.) I have a hard time believing that God has one set of Commandments for Jews and one for everyone else.

Right, so you believe we are still to offer animal sacrifices when a temple is built, and wear special color fabrics, stone people if they do not keep certain laws of God, etc.? I highly doubt you or anyone else is keeping the Old Law. In fact, if you were to actually do a study on God's laws between the Old Testament and the New Testament sometime you will learn that it is physically impossible to obey both covenants or both testaments. That's why it is even silly to even debate this.
 
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Right, so you believe we are still to offer animal sacrifices when a temple is built, and wear special color fabrics, stone people if they do not keep certain laws of God, etc.? I highly doubt you or anyone else is keeping the Old Law. In fact, if you were to actually do a study on God's laws between the Old Testament and the New Testament sometime you will learn that it is physically impossible to obey both covenants or both testaments. That's why it is even silly to even debate this.
Again, traditions and ceremonial law is different than the 10 Commandments.
 
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Again, traditions and ceremonial law is different than the 10 Commandments.

Ceremony
(Definition):

a formal act or series of acts prescribed by ritual, protocol, or convention.​

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Definition of CEREMONY

Ceremony is any kind of ceremony that you observe. The Saturday Sabbath is a ceremony or ritual that a person observes in honor of God resting on the 7th day. It also is a shadow or type that pointed ahead to the rest we have in Christ in the New Covenant. The weekly Sabbath is no longer binding because:

(a) Colossians 2:16 says we are not let others judge us in regards to sabbaths.
(b) Romans 14:5 teaches that some treat all days alike (and Paul does not condemn them).
(c) No Sabbath commands are given in the New Testament.
(d) The breaking of the Sabbath command as being a sin is not listed alongside murder, adultery, theft, idolatry, drunkenness, etc. by the list of sins mentioned by Paul and John.
 
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Again, traditions and ceremonial law is different than the 10 Commandments.

Again, its still a law. A ceremonial law is still a law. Animal sacrifices were laws or commands of God in the Old Testament. God directly commanded the Israelites to kill animals as a part of the Old Covenant. God gave them very specific instructions or commands. They were not suggestions.
 
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Again, its still a law. A ceremonial law is still a law. Animal sacrifices were laws or commands of God in the Old Testament. God directly commanded the Israelites to kill animals as a part of the Old Covenant. God gave them very specific instructions or commands. They were not suggestions.
There are differences. I guess we will find out soon enough about this debate once the Lord comes.
 
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Again, its still a law. A ceremonial law is still a law. Animal sacrifices were laws or commands of God in the Old Testament. .

1 Cor 7:19 ceremonial laws ended - but Commandments of God remain.
Heb 10:4-11 ceremonial laws based in animal sacrifice and grain offerings ended at the cross - but God commandments remain.

God commandments include the unit of TEN Where "the first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment Eph 6:1-2.

Bible details so obvious that all these Christian groups admit to ALL TEN of the TEN commandments being included in that moral law of God written on the heart under the Jer 31:31-34 New Covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
 
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Read Leviticus 23:3. It mentions the weekly Sabbath. So if Colossians 2:16 is a reference to Leviticus 23, it mentions the Saturday Sabbath that you so desperately want to exclude from Colossians 2:16.

Nowhere does Paul hint at the fact that he was only referring to the high sabbaths only in Colossians 2:16, nor in Romans 15, either. You simply want to keep the Sabbath because you enjoy keeping it. It has nothing to do with what the Scriptures plainly say. If it did, you would be posting a verse to prove your case. So far, no Sabbatarian Christian here in this forum has actually done that.

I don't recall excluding anything, if I didn't mention it is because I thought it would more common sense. The plan of God is outlined in Leviticus chapter 23rd. When we begin to read this chapter we will find the Lord's weekly Sabbath and also the Lord's High and Holy Days. Each High Day has a very important meaning, and if you are familiar with them you simply know the plan of God. For and example...Now, let's take a look at the Lord's Passover.

Leviticus 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, (verse 2) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.


Look at verse 2. Does it state the feast of the Jews, or the Feast of the Lord? These feasts are holy gatherings. These feasts are not a request, they are commandments.

Leviticus 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Notice, once again the book states these are the feasts of the Lord, and they are Holy gatherings and must be observed in their season. We cannot observe these days when we get ready. They must be observed when the Lord says they must be observed. Take a look at the next verse and the Lord tells you the exact day you must observe this feast, which is the Passover.

Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's Passover.

Note what the book states. The Lord's Passover must be observed on the 14 day of the first month, which is the month of Abib. This month can be set by the new moon in the spring. In the 4th verse it states it must be observed in its season, any other time is wrong. Let's go to Exodus chapter 12.

Exodus 12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. So the beginning of the year is in the spring not the winter, that's why all this is important, understanding the new moon. People celebrate the new year at the wrong time. But we are reading the Bible and doing something differents, and you wonder why the Lord is angry. Paul kept these High Holys Day well after the death of Jesus. At certain point in time, man started changing things, but the Bible is still saying the same thing.









 
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You did not quote Leviticus 23:3 again that talks about the weekly Sabbath. So yes, you are excluding something very important in regards to understanding Colossians 2:16 if you believe Colossians 2:16 is a reference to Leviticus 23.



The plan of God is outlined in Leviticus chapter 23. When you begin to read this chapter you will find the Lord's weekly Sabbath and also the Lord's High and Holy Days. Each High Day has a very important meaning, and if you are familiar with them you simply know the plan of God. You are not reading, read the whole chapter. You responding to fast and not taking the time to really read with understanding. Read!!!! I gave you a example how Passover works with the new moon.





 
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Bro.T said:
I don't recall excluding anything, if I didn't mention it is because I thought it would more common sense. The plan of God is outlined in Leviticus chapter 23rd. When we begin to read this chapter we will find the Lord's weekly Sabbath and also the Lord's High and Holy Days

You did not quote Leviticus 23:3 again that talks about the weekly Sabbath.

It says it is a day of "Holy convocation" in Lev 23:2-3. unlike the annual feasts/sabbaths of Lev 23 - the weekly Sabbath is one of the Ten. What is your point?

So yes, you are excluding something very important in regards to understanding Colossians 2:16 if you believe Colossians 2:16 is a reference to Leviticus 23.

Col 2 makes a reference to feast/annual holy days that had their basis and origin in animal sacrifices that ended at the cross Heb 10:4-12. Sacrifices that were "shadows" or types of that event.

IF the argument is that Sabbath is the Lord's day - then it does not do any good to argue for it being done away with.

If the argument is that Sabbath is not a reference to the Lord's Day - then where is a text saying "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day"? We have one saying "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" Ex 20:10
 
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