The LOGIC as to why gay marriage should be ILLEGAL

[HaloHope]

You put the blame on society and I put the blame and responsibility on the idividuals. Society is not going to change because we want it to. That would mean a perfect world, sorry but it's not a perfect world and people are mean and cruel that's a fact of life.
I love children and it hurts me to see little ones taunted and shunned because of bad choices the parents made.

Simple Solution: Parents teach their children from a young age that some other children might have two mums or two dads. As half of a lesbian couple who will definately be adopting, I don't want my children being taunted by the children of those who raised them in a house of bigotry.

 

[nhisname]

It's not like they're going to be running around with a tag that says "MY PARENTS ARE GAY" or something. Anyways the only regions where gays are actually openly and casually discriminated against- like mean comments to their faces discriminated- is basically the South. It happens elsewhere but it's very predominant and people go out of their way to do it in Southern states.

Kids talk to one another, kids go to one another's houses, parents talk in front of the children kids take it back to school. I truly wish people would not take mean spiritness out on kids. It kills me.

 

[Freodin]

Kids talk to one another, kids go to one another's houses, parents talk in front of the children kids take it back to school. I truly wish people would not take mean spiritness out on kids. It kills me.

So I guess you would never be rude to children because their parents are of the same gender - even if you don´t accept gay marriage?

Hm, I wonder who that "society" is, that you want to protect these poor unborn children from? The impolite, uneducated, bigotted part?

Well, yes, I agree, children need to be protected from such folk... but non-existence seems a little overprotective to me in this regard.

And do you really think that those people should set the guidelines of what is allowed or not?

 

[nhisname]

False assumption #1: Society will never accept homosexuals.
False assumption #2: Children of same-sex couples are inherently placed into harm.
False assumption #3: Same-sex couples want or need babies for different reasons than heterosexual couples.

True assumption: As long as there are people in this world that think the way you do, it will never be a perfect world.

Using your reasoning, since life is so hard anyway, nobody should bring children into the world - especially minority ethnic groups or anybody who lives in countries that aren't as developed as (for example) the United States. It's absurd. Please think about what you're saying.

We have kids killing kids for a lot less than being teased for parentage. Are you willing to prove yourself right by bringing an innocent life into a world intentionally knowing that it probably won't be accepted because of your lifestyle. There's a lot of cruelty out there. You want a perfect world sorry but is what it is.

 

[nhisname]

So I guess you would never be rude to children because their parents are of the same gender - even if you don´t accept gay marriage?

Hm, I wonder who that "society" is, that you want to protect these poor unborn children from? The impolite, uneducated, bigotted part?

Well, yes, I agree, children need to be protected from such folk... but non-existence seems a little overprotective to me in this regard.

And do you really think that those people should set the guidelines of what is allowed or not?

I would love that child no matter what race, color, culture parentage, you betcha...I love kids. I hate to see hurt. I have nothing more to say.

 

[pgp_protector]

We have kids killing kids for a lot less than being teased for parentage. Are you willing to prove yourself right by bringing an innocent life into a world intentionally knowing that it probably won't be accepted because of your lifestyle. There's a lot of cruelty out there. You want a perfect world sorry but is what it is.

So No kids then right ?

After as you say they'll be teased for lots less than their parentage, and we wouldn't want them being teased.

 

[pgp_protector]

Here's logical:
The problem is that the system should have tiers. One tier is heterosexual couples that might soon have children. Another is other couples. And a third is those who have their own children. Every single one of those tiers is logical.


Using any of these division and excluding the others is likewise logical, and is based on jurisprudence, not logic. But then, you wouldn't be able to call someone illogical.

No this is called a Set, Sets are not necessary Logical.
Just because you say it's logical doesn't make it so.

 

[pgp_protector]

Actually, the most logical thing to do would be to remove the word "marriage" from all legal documents and replace it with the word "civil partnership" and make it open for any two people and their potential children, period. Marriage would therefore be a religious institution, and you could say you are "married" or "partners" or "girlfriend/boyfriend", whatever floats your boat but legally it would be "civil partnership".

However, there isn't really any politician brave enough to attempt this much-needed reform.

Shh This solution is too simple
(And One I Agree with)

Make Marriage A "Religious" Ceremony not required by civil law.
And if you want the Tax / Civil Benefits, you get a Civil union.
If you want both, you go to the Courthouse / Judge for the Civil union, then the Church, Synagogue, Temple / ect for your religious ceremony.

 

[Freodin]

I would love that child no matter what race, color, culture parentage, you betcha...I love kids. I hate to see hurt. I have nothing more to say.

So you would accept that child even if its parents made their ugly evil choices.

Are you not part of society? Are you also not a part of those not accepting gay marriage?


It seems that "society will never accept certain things" is not conclusively leading to "we must protect children from teasing by disallowing their parents to marry".

 

[MoonLancer]

We have kids killing kids for a lot less than being teased for parentage. Are you willing to prove yourself right by bringing an innocent life into a world intentionally knowing that it probably won't be accepted because of your lifestyle. There's a lot of cruelty out there. You want a perfect world sorry but is what it is.

*removed for my protection*

Your augment is exactly the same as it was with mixed marriages. and its equally as valid. You clearly have not thought your augment through. Who did you hear this from?

 

[nhisname]

So you would accept that child even if its parents made their ugly evil choices.

Are you not part of society? Are you also not a part of those not accepting gay marriage?


It seems that "society will never accept certain things" is not conclusively leading to "we must protect children from teasing by disallowing their parents to marry".

I do not accept homosexuality as a lifestyle choice. I believe marriage to be a holy bond between a man and a woman. Physically and spiritually they complete one another. Allowing marriage between same sex partners might make it a little more acceptable but still a child has the right to and needs both a mother and a father.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I do not accept homosexuality as a lifestyle choice. I believe marriage to be a holy bond between a man and a woman. Physically and spiritually they complete one another. Allowing marriage between same sex partners might make it a little more acceptable but still a child has the right to and needs both a mother and a father.

Really? Why? What does my son get from my wife that he couldn't get from another man? She couldn't breast feed, so it's not biological. I know many guys more nurturing than her, so it's not emotional. What's left?

 

[Mling]

Really? Why? What does my son get from my wife that he couldn't get from another man? She couldn't breast feed, so it's not biological. I know many guys more nurturing than her, so it's not emotional. What's left?

Well, walking in your mom in the bathroom is a time-honored childhood tradition. It's more awkward with your dad, usually.

 

[Supernaut]

Well, walking in your mom in the bathroom is a time-honored childhood tradition. It's more awkward with your dad, usually.

LOL...I remember that experience.

 

[nhisname]

Really? Why? What does my son get from my wife that he couldn't get from another man? She couldn't breast feed, so it's not biological. I know many guys more nurturing than her, so it's not emotional. What's left?

Okay if your son had been raised by 2 moms instead would he be better for it or no? Same for a daughter with 2 dads. The child needs the nurturing warm fuzzy, kissy, huggy from mom, the discipline and strength from dad. I raised 1 girl 2 boys with a dad in the house. My perspective and my husbands was different for my daughter. I said she could talk on the phone to a 19 year old(she was 15 at the time). After all just talking right. My husband saw it a lot differently...he was once a boy right? He said one thing always leads to another. Needless to say he severed ties real quick where I probably wouldn't have. It takes a Mom and a Dad.

 

[b&wpac4]

I do not accept homosexuality as a lifestyle choice. I believe marriage to be a holy bond between a man and a woman. Physically and spiritually they complete one another. Allowing marriage between same sex partners might make it a little more acceptable but still a child has the right to and needs both a mother and a father.

What is this right you speak of? Are children who are raised by their father because their mother died in child birth denied their rights? Are children raised by mothers because their fathers died during a war denied their rights? How do you propose to remedy this gross injustice? Force single parents to marry the nearest single member of the opposite sex?

 

[nhisname]

What is this right you speak of? Are children who are raised by their father because their mother died in child birth denied their rights? Are children raised by mothers because their fathers died during a war denied their rights? How do you propose to remedy this gross injustice? Force single parents to marry the nearest single member of the opposite sex?

The intentions of the situations you speak of were with both mom and dad in mind. not one without the other. Of course things happen in life we do not expect. Single mothers are always looking for someone to be a Dad to their children same thing with single Dads. I believe the child who was not raised with a mom or dad is always looking for that someone to fill the void.

 

[b&wpac4]

Of course things happen in life we do not expect.

Perhaps then you should listen to the testimony of those raised by homosexual parents that are content and happy with their life. You may find it is something you did not expect.

 

[CaDan]

Okay if your son had been raised by 2 moms instead would he be better for it or no? Same for a daughter with 2 dads. The child needs the nurturing warm fuzzy, kissy, huggy from mom, the discipline and strength from dad. I raised 1 girl 2 boys with a dad in the house. My perspective and my husbands was different for my daughter. I said she could talk on the phone to a 19 year old(she was 15 at the time). After all just talking right. My husband saw it a lot differently...he was once a boy right? He said one thing always leads to another. Needless to say he severed ties real quick where I probably wouldn't have. It takes a Mom and a Dad.

I see where you're coming from and I don't think that is a bad thing to look for. Children being raised by two loving and committed parents is great. In fact, I will even go out on a limb (take away my liberal card! ) and grant you that children being raised by two loving and committed parents where one is male and one is female is the optimal situation.

But (you saw that "but" coming, didn't you?) the optimal situation isn't always available. People can die; people can find their personal problems overcome their love for each other and their children; people can't keep up the facade that they are heterosexual when they are not.

What do we do then? Adoption is an option, but there are not enough couples willing to adopt--especially if the child is older; especially if the child has problems.

We are left with sub-optimal solutions. Some of those sub-optimal solutions are better than others. I think that being raised by a loving and committed couple even if the couple is same-sex is better than being raised by the foster care system.

 

[EvangelicalChristian]

This is a video where I discuss the logical reason as to why gay marriage should remain against the law

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cznevOpvFU

Phil

Props to you Phil for standing up for what you believe in and going out into public (so to speak) to defend those beliefs. I don't agree with some of your arguments but do respect your courage.