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The locust plague of Revelation 9

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Not irrelevent at all...You can be done that's all good,however as Ive said,9 is different from 20

So you believe the angel with the key to the bottomless pit in Rev 20:1 is Lucifer, "the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan??

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (Rev 20:1-3 KJV)

Just wondering.
 
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The jihadist and the demons that inspire and torment them.​


The purpose of this page is to show that Revelation 9 is about Islam and suicide bombers are mentioned in the bible. It's not a study of the entire text.

For ages, many believed that the locust of Revelation 9 are Islamic. Revelation 9 actually says that the same demons that inspire the jihadist to commit the abominations of the earth, are actually attacking Muslims like scorpions to torment them for 5 months. Most people believe that the 200 million are an army from China. That's not so. They are very likely demons AND/OR "jihadist."

So why would Satan fight against himself? Christ says Satan would not do that:

17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? (Luk 11:17-18 KJV)
 
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So you believe the angel with the key to the bottomless pit in Rev 20:1 is Lucifer, "the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan??

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (Rev 20:1-3 KJV)

Just wondering.

In Revelation 20 the Angel has the key..In Revelation 9,satan has it,that's all Im saying.....
 
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The summary is in error. Blowing the trumpet has NOTHING to do with Revelation trumpets. Always remember Israel blew trumpets to assemble all the time...so that won't fly. They blew trumpets for war, to prepare to move out or set camp (when they had the tabernacle), to assemble for feasts, and so on. The idea of blowing the trumpet is because there's about to be judgment of Judah is about to happen at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar. God used him to judge the entire region. The trumpet blowing opens the eyes of those Amos was prophesying to because they were so familiar with the blowing of trumpets. This trumpet is an alarm to Judah.

Try reading and correlating Jeremiah 20 and 21 with Joel.

Ye do err! The 1st century was the fulfillment of the spring feasts (Passover, unleavened bread & first fruits) pointed to the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and Pentecost was fulfilled with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The fall feasts have not been fulfilled yet (trumpets, day of atonement & tabernacles). The trumpets of Revelation will be the fulfillment of that feast and the 5th and 6th trumpets are the same description as what we have in Joel.
 
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In Revelation 20 the Angel has the key..In Revelation 9,satan has it,that's all Im saying.....

According to the plain meaning of scripture, what you saying is wrong. The angel gets the key in c.9, and uses it again in 20. There is nothing in the description that makes these two different angels.

1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. (Rev 9:1-2 NKJ)

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. (Rev 20:1-3 NKJ)

Moreover, you contradict Christ about Satan, and say he would torment his own followers so they craved death. BUT Jesus said Satan would NOT fight against himself, therefore what you are saying is impossible:

17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? (Luk 11:17-18 KJV)

So without any scriptural warrant, and against the clear teaching of Christ, is what you are saying.

I suspect you will continue to say it, regardless what Scripture teaches.

I hope I'm wrong about that, but at this juncture that seems to be your most likely choice. Clearly, scripture is NOT determining what you say about these things.
 
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An extremely interesting OP. I must admit I have been very intrigued by the locust plague in Revelation as I consider it to be one of the most confusing plagues in the book. After much consideration I do have to say I believe that they are literal locusts from the bottomless pit. I know that the entire plague sounds very "science fictionish" and it doesn't really sound real, but I do believe in its reality and I believe God will bring it to pass.

I think that there are some very striking things about the book of Revelation, but one of the striking things about this plague I would like to note is the length of time that the locusts torment them. They are tormented for 5 months, which is a very long period of time. It is striking that during this time of excruciating torment they never repent at all. I believe this is making a very interesting theological point: the human race will never repent, no matter the suffering involved.

Thanks for the thought-provoking OP.
 
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I also wanted to add very briefly: I think that people nowadays (and perhaps throughout history) have not taken the book of Revelation very seriously. We are being warned of catastrophic coming plagues by God himself - just like Noah was. We need to be preparing ourselves for these things and of course preparing our children (supposing we have any) for them. Any other response shows a lack of faith.
 
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Achilles - Whether you realize it or not, you have hit on some very important statements.

1. The Book of Revelation IS very serious. To claim that it already happened in the first century A.D., 1940, or is ongoing, is antichristian. Satan is very proud of the people who make those statements.
2. As I have been saying, Revelations is backwards. The plagues, bowls, "The Day of the Lord", etc., are SENT BY GOD. HE causes the destruction on the planet. HE causes World War III. It is HIS doing - and the people STILL refuse to repent. Fortunately, the return of Jesus Christ saves mankind from complete annihilation.
 
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So why would Satan fight against himself? Christ says Satan would not do that:

17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? (Luk 11:17-18 KJV)

Satan isn't fighting against himself. He's fighting to destroy whatever he can. And that includes 'his own' knowing he has little time. He steals, kills, and destroys whoever he can.

It may also be that when these demons are released to torment the jihadist, they(demons) are kept in check by God's "armies" of 'good' angels.

I don't completely understand the passage but do believe it has Islam written all over it.
 
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Habakkuk 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. For, lo, I raise up....

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Habakkuk 2:1-3 I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved.

And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
 
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Satan isn't fighting against himself. He's fighting to destroy whatever he can. And that includes 'his own' knowing he has little time. He steals, kills, and destroys whoever he can.

It may also be that when these demons are released the demons are kept in check by God's "armies" of 'good' angels.

I don't completely understand the passage but do believe it has Islam written all over it.


Christ was very explicit, Satan does not attack his own kingdom, his own house. Implicit in that, Satan is rational, not insane.

Unthinking folk can't imagine fighting against infinite almighty God and winning, because they didn't discern his argument in Job.

Incredibly they interpret this as a test of Job's faith, when it is a clear attack on God's perfection. God declared Job righteous, Satan says tht is a mistake, Job is not righteous, therefore God made a mistake.

If God made a mistake, He would remove Himself from being God, for only a Perfect Being who doesn't make mistakes, can be God:

8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?"
9 So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
10 "Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
11 "But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!"
(Job 1:8-11 NKJ)

Its a rational argument, one that seems plausible and convinced a third of heaven's angels.

Satan argued everything done for God has a selfish motive, therefore God erred in creating thinking true love would exist between Him and His creatures.

Satan projected his own selfishness, onto Job and believed he couldn't lose. That's why he "bet the farm," risking eternity in the lake of fire. He never dreamed that would happen to him.

So Satan is rational, not insane. Having lost the argument, Christ's incarnation proved unselfish love for the Father exists when He gave up the prerogatives of being God in heaven, to die a horrible death as a pauper on earth, because He loved the Father with a pure holy perfect true love.

Hence demons cannot say Jesus Christ came in the flesh, they choke on the words.

2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
(1Jo 4:2-3 NKJ)

Its evident Satan still believes he has a chance, not just trying to take everyone with him, into ruin. On what he basis he might do that, I haven't taken the time to figure out. Given its impossible finite creatures defeat Infinite God, what in Satan's efforts would require the impeccable character of God, rule against Himself, or forsake His creation? Don't know at this time.

But he would not attack his own followers, Christ said so.

It is precisely the paganized Catholic view of these things, which Protestants largely retained, that will blind side everyone in the end time. Angels built New Jerusalem, they are physical beings with technology. Therefore, when God allows Satan and his demons appear physically in our reality, as they did in the days of Noah, everyone will be taken by surprise. Everyone will believe the Bible is wrong about these things, when in reality, its Catholic pagan beliefs that are wrong. It follows from their being alive since Creation, their technology will be advanced well beyond anything we have. And so no one (except the elect) will believe this "advanced race of aliens" are actually Satan's demons, the Bible will seem quaint and obsolete, even as they put 666 on their foreheads, like a swastika.
 
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Christ was very explicit, Satan does not attack his own kingdom, his own house. Implicit in that, Satan is rational, not insane.

Unthinking folk can't imagine fighting against God and winning, because they don't think it through, you can fight God if you pit Him against Himself.

That's what Satan did. Its clearly evident in Job, but no one thinks it through. Incredibly they interpret this as a test of Job's faith, when its really a test of God's perfection. He declared Job righteous, Satan says tht is a mistake, Job is not righteous, therefore God made a mistake.

If God made a mistake, He would remove Himself from being God, for only a Perfect Being who doesn't make mistakes, can be God:

8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?"
9 So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
10 "Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
11 "But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!"
(Job 1:8-11 NKJ)

Its a rational argument, one that seems plausible and convinced a third of heaven's angels. Satan argued everything done for God has a selfish motive, therefore God erred.

Satan projected his own selfishness, onto Job and believed he couldn't lose.

So Satan is rational, not insane. Having lost the argument, Christ's incarnation proved unselfish love for the Father exists when He gave up the prerogatives of being God in heaven, to die a horrible death as a pauper on earth, because He loved the Father with a pure holy perfect true love.

Hence demons cannot say Jesus Christ came in the flesh, they choke on the words.

2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
(1Jo 4:2-3 NKJ)

Satan is trying to take everyone with him, into ruin, but he would not attack his own followers, Christ said so.

Sorry but it's not even worth the argument. If someone is a Muslim, Satan has stolen your eternal life. What makes you think he doesn't want you physically dead too. The Sunni's and Shia's hate one another. They kill one another on a daily basis.

Revelation 6:3-4 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

You're argument is moot as it contradicts a host of verses that I'm not willing to spend any time on.
 
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Ye do err! The 1st century was the fulfillment of the spring feasts (Passover, unleavened bread & first fruits) pointed to the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and Pentecost was fulfilled with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The fall feasts have not been fulfilled yet (trumpets, day of atonement & tabernacles). The trumpets of Revelation will be the fulfillment of that feast and the 5th and 6th trumpets are the same description as what we have in Joel.
No you're mixing in to many things here. Pentecost happend AFTER Christ was seated at the right hand of God. He told the apostles to WAIT for the promise of the Father. It came at Pentecost.

Christ Himself speaks of Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread in His "bread of life" discourse of John 6:35-58.

John the Baptist Called Jesus the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

Try letting each thing stand on it's own...three feast with different implications:

*Passover - The Lamb of God

*Unleavened Bread - Sinless perfection (without leaven)

*Pentecost - The first fruits of harvest, which is in terms of harvesting His church....3000 Jews saved! They are first fruits of the church...which is why it happens on Pentecost.

As Jesus said "look at the fields, for they are white unto harvest"!!!
 
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Sorry but it's not even worth the argument. If someone is a Muslim, Satan has stolen your eternal life. What makes you think he doesn't want you physically dead too. The Sunni's and Shia's hate one another. They kill one another on a daily basis.

Revelation 6:3-4 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

You're argument is moot as it contradicts a host of verses that I'm not willing to spend any time on.

Yes, don't spend the time. Their killing one another is not Satan fighting against himself.

Christ's words have a context, He was doing signs and wonders that glorified God and His kingdom, and taught righteousness, the way to salvation. That Satan will never do.

Inciting his followers kill each other, and so fill up the full measure of their sin, is not Satan against Satan.

The locusts torment the followers of the Beast, and NOT the people of God, THAT is fighting against Satan, therefore something he would never do.
 
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According to the plain meaning of scripture, what you saying is wrong. The angel gets the key in c.9, and uses it again in 20. There is nothing in the description that makes these two different angels.

1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. (Rev 9:1-2 NKJ)

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. (Rev 20:1-3 NKJ)

Moreover, you contradict Christ about Satan, and say he would torment his own followers so they craved death. BUT Jesus said Satan would NOT fight against himself, therefore what you are saying is impossible:

17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? (Luk 11:17-18 KJV)

So without any scriptural warrant, and against the clear teaching of Christ, is what you are saying.

I suspect you will continue to say it, regardless what Scripture teaches.

I hope I'm wrong about that, but at this juncture that seems to be your most likely choice. Clearly, scripture is NOT determining what you say about these things.


Again,in chapter 9,who was given the key?It's plain as day....

"to him was given the key"the him is satan....

In chapter 20,the angel already has the key

I don't know where you get satan fighting against himself,he is given the key to free his minions,where is the implication of him fighting against himself?
 
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The jihadist and the demons that inspire and torment them.​

The purpose of this page is to show that Revelation 9 is about Islam and suicide bombers are mentioned in the bible. It's not a study of the entire text.

For ages, many believed that the locust of Revelation 9 are Islamic. Revelation 9 actually says that the same demons that inspire the jihadist to commit the abominations of the earth, are actually attacking Muslims like scorpions to torment them for 5 months. Most people believe that the 200 million are an army from China. That's not so. They are very likely demons AND/OR "jihadist."

One author said,
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Protestant scholars of the nineteenth century saw with amazing unanimity the rise and spread of Islam in this passage. Why? First consider where the locusts came from. They came from the “Abyss.” One of the finest Islamic scholars of the twentieth century, Abul A’la Mawdudi, wrote a book to introduce the English-speaking world to Islam. His subtitle called Arabia, the center of Mohammed’s activities, the “Abyss of Darkness.” The phrase “bottomless pit” in the above passage is actually the word for “abyss” in Greek. This prominent scholar used the exact words of the Bible when describing the center of Mohammed’s activity.

Why locusts? Because of the Arabs’ connection to the locust. The Ismaelites, forerunners of the modern Muslim, have as their national insignia a locust in the Bedoween romance “Antwar.” There is also a story of Mohammed that has locusts falling into his hands bearing the inscription “We are the Army of the Great God.” So here are two connections, but it doesn’t stop there.

Consider the appearance of the locusts:

The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. (Rev 9:7-11)

The Arabs were widely renown for their skill with a horse; according to Adam Clarke it was as if the horse and the rider were one. The Muslim wore a yellow turban as a crown, according to the poem “Antwar.” As for the face and the hair, according to Scripture a man is not to shave his beard (Lev 19:27), and the long hair of a woman is her glory (1 Cor 11:15). Arabs of the day were described as having shoulder-length hair and beards. The teeth of the lion probably represented their ferocity in battle. The breastplate reminds us of the Koran’s statement that “God hath given you coats of mail.”

The tails and the stings of the scorpion were likely references to the Muslims’ ability to shoot backwards accurately while in full retreat. The power of their tails probably represented the poisonous doctrines of Islam that they were spreading to the world.

What of the other limitations placed on the army? They couldn’t harm vegetation. The Koran commands the Muslims to leave the vegetation in invaded territories alone. Muslim armies were also commanded to leave the monks in the monestaries alone and monestaries were not to be burned. These people, the Muslims thought, had God’s seal of protection on them. The Muslims were not allowed to kill the church, only torture it. That is, they couldn’t destroy the church, but they did set a series of calamities on it for five prophetic months.
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My comments....

"And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, (suicide vest)

The word for breastplates is the word 'thorax" and it means,

Breastplate:

primarily, "the breast," denotes "a breastplate or corselet," consisting of two parts and protecting the body on both sides, from the neck to the middle. It is used metaphorically of righteousness, Eph 6:14; of faith and love, 1Th 5:8, with perhaps a suggestion of the two parts, front and back, which formed the coat of mail (an alternative term for the word in the NT sense); elsewhere in Rev 9:9, 17.

Breastplates were held by straps that went over the shoulders or around the neck.

...and of jacinth, (dark red)...

From Vines....
Jacinth:
signifies "hyacinthine," perhaps primarily having the color of thehyacinth. Some regard its color as that of the martagon lily, a dusky red. According to Swete, the word in Rev 9:17 is "doubtless meant to describe the blue smoke of a sulphurous flame."

...and brimstone:.... (explosion) This is the only place the word 'brimstone' or Strongs #2306 is used in the NT. The word is Strong's # 2303 is used 7 times. #2306 comes from 2303 and is said, "(in its original sense of "flashing)."

...and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; (Babylonians) and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone."

John even tells us how many jihadist there are in the world when this happens.

In 2006-7 Daniel Pipes said there were 300 million jihadist and 400 million radicals in the world. I thought that number to be a bit high on the jihadist but close on the radicals.

"And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them."

That would be 200 million.

For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails:

The only two places tails are mentioned are here and on the dragon of Rev. 12. Their mouth is probably the holy war teachings of the Koran, praying to Allah, and the Imams promoting terrorism aka Satan's will of destruction.

"for their tails were like unto serpents,"

Tails and serpents are icons of the dragon and Lucifer. Lucifer and the dragon make up Islam's morning star and crescent moon!

"and had heads, and with them they do hurt."

Heads could be symbolic of people or Islamic clerics and leaders who encourage them to commit jihad. Look at the word "hurt" and apply it to a suicide bombing.

I consider Revelation 9 to be the strangest and most demonic of all chapters in the New Testament.

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Again,in chapter 9,who was given the key?It's plain as day....

"to him was given the key"the him is satan....

In chapter 20,the angel already has the key

I don't know where you get satan fighting against himself,he is given the key to free his minions,where is the implication of him fighting against himself?

1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.
3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.
6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them. (Rev 9:1-6 NKJ)

As the locusts sting only those not having the seal of God, they are attacking Satan's kingdom.

"Him" is a pronoun referring to the antecedent noun, "the Star" which verse 2 confirms, is a "he" and not "it".

Satan isn't in the context, therefore the pronoun to "him" cannot refer to Lucifer at all. You are reading that into the text, because you prefer that to what John wrote. Perhaps you consider John's words boring?

To my way of thinking, that is preferring excrement to steak. Its pointless we continue this, you wouldn't believe the scripture even if someone rose from the dead:

31 "But he said to him,`If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'" (Luk 16:31-1 NKJ)


n2thelight evidently is satire.
 
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1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.
3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.
6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them. (Rev 9:1-6 NKJ)

As the locusts sting only those not having the seal of God, they are attacking Satan's kingdom.

"Him" is a pronoun referring to the antecedent noun, "the Star" which verse 2 confirms, is a "he" and not "it".

Satan isn't in the context, therefore pronouns do not refer to him at all. You are reading that into the text, because you prefer either your own theories, or those of others, to the plain meaning of scripture.

To my way of thinking, that is preferring excrement to steak. Its pointless we continue this, you wouldn't believe the scripture even if someone rose from the dead:

31 "But he said to him,`If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'" (Luk 16:31-1 NKJ)


Okay so who is the star that fell,if you want to get technical?Christ told us who the "it" (he)was....


Luke 10:18 "And He said unto them, "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

satan is very much the context,as he is the star that fell......

As for the locust they attack everyone who as you say don't have the seal of God,and just so you know the attack isn't physical,it's all about deception....So satan is not attacking his own,as you think,he is deceiving those without the knowledge to know better....,Ie,those without the seal...

King James Version (KJV)

Hosea 4

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Point being,your way of thinking dosn't concern me


 
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Okay so who is the star that fell,if you want to get technical?Christ told us who the "it" (he)was....


Luke 10:18 "And He said unto them, "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

satan is very much the context,as he is the star that fell......

As for the locust they attack everyone who as you say don't have the seal of God,and just so you know the attack isn't physical,it's all about deception....So satan is not attacking his own,as you think,he is deceiving those without the knowledge to know better....,Ie,those without the seal...

King James Version (KJV)

Hosea 4

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Point being,your way of thinking dosn't concern me

You are in a mental rut, jumping from Rev 9 to Luke and ignoring the grammar.

Following normal rules of grammar, "Him" is third person personal pronoun. The only possible antecedent is "Star", but although masculine, is not a person. But in verse 9:2 the verb "he opened" is in the third person masculine, and as its the Star who is opening we can interpret the Star symbolizes a person and not a meteor or other inanimate object.

Lucifer is not in the text, "Him" therefore cannot refer to him. It refers to the Star.

You are GUESSING this is Lucifer, but that guess contradicts the context. In context, this angel (symbolized by the star) releases a horde from the abyss that ATTACKS Satan's kingdom, therefore it is unlikely the angel is Satan.

That is deduction. If the locusts attacked God's people, then its likely Satan.

That this angel cannot be Satan, is clear from Rev 20, there the angel who NOW HAS the key to the abyss, binds Satan:

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
(Rev 20:1-2 NKJ)

You GUESS these are not the same angels, but THAT is absurd, John would not have two different angels, with the key to the same bottomless pit. If he did, then nothing in the book of Revelation can be interpreted. We might as well throw it away.

We depend upon God being consistent, so we can deduce from the clues, what is going on. If "up" is "up" in one verse, but "down" in another, its all gibberish.

The angel given the key to the abyss in Rev 20, is the star given the same key to the same abyss, THAT is what "Him" proves and that angel cannot be Lucifer, because he binds Lucifer.

The jailor cannot be the same person he jails, if he is, then its gibberish.
 
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