The lie that you believe

[KristiLee]

You say that God is all-good. How can God be all good if he murders souls in hell?

Would it be just to acquit a proven rapist? If one helped a butterfly with his struggle in the cacoon be considered merciful? If a friend mocked you in your joys, would he be considered humble? No. Indeed not. The judge would be considered corrupt, the one with the butterfly, crippling, and the friend actually an enemy. God, on the contrary is loving, just, merciful, loyal, faithful, diligent, dependable, trustworthy, a friend and confidant - our ever-present ALL. God loves us by holding us accountable, helping us to truly become all that He has purposed for us. And after all the mercy and love he pours out to encourage and draw to Him, those who reject Him, will be justly judged.

 

[Jedah]

But He doesn't murder souls in hell..........people make their own choices as to their going to heaven or hell.....God just lets them go to the place they have chosen for themselves....

This has been dealt with a long time ago.

http://foru.ms/t737341-answers-to-sadistic-god-paradox-debunked-.html

 

[Hypersonic]

You say that God is all-good. How can God be all good if he murders souls in hell?

I don't think God murders people in hell, Satan should if either of them existed.

 

[Tynan]

But He doesn't murder souls in hell..........people make their own choices as to their going to heaven or hell.....God just lets them go to the place they have chosen for themselves....

Why not close the doors on hell ?

Send everyone to heaven ?

 

[elman]

Why not close the doors on hell ?

Send everyone to heaven ?

Then what is the point of this life?

 

[MorkandMindy]

Then what is the point of this life?

This is weird elman

If that was true then life in heaven would be pointless

 

[elman]

This is weird elman

If that was true then life in heaven would be pointless

If what were true? If this life serves no purpose then why are we going through it? As you know I don't believe in the traditional hell, but if we have universal salvation where everyone goes to heaven, no matter what we do here, then why did we spend time here?

 

[MorkandMindy]

If what were true? If this life serves no purpose then why are we going through it? As you know I don't believe in the traditional hell, but if we have universal salvation where everyone goes to heaven, no matter what we do here, then why did we spend time here?

Oh, I see what you are saying, why spend years in a place like this with a multitude of problems when we could all have a much better time going directly to the great place we will all be in if Universalism is true.

I thought you meant the purpose of life is to sort the sheep from the goats, as it were, then if there were no other purposes that leaves nothing to continue from here into heaven.

Anyway the problem with debating with Christian is each one has different beliefs on just about everything.

Or maybe that's what makes it interesting.

 

[elman]

I thought you meant the purpose of life is to sort the sheep from the goats, as it were, then if there were no other purposes that leaves nothing to continue from here into heaven.
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I do think the purpose of this life is to mature into a loving being and if you do, you have hope of being a sheep rather than a goat and recieving the second gift of life unlimited. If you fail to mature into a loving being I think it is possible you are the goat who is left with this first gift of mortal life as the final gift.

 

[Skavau]

duringPromise][/SIZE]Oh man, why do so many people who dont believe in God thinks that God send people to hell??? He doesnt. You send yourself. We have a choice to do good or evil. When we reject God we reject heaven. therefore he cannot help us to heaven.

God is omniscient. God is capable of reversing such and granting those who do not believe in him the ability to go to heaven or simply avoid hell.

Why does God not do such?

HE wants us there but we chose hell. We chose to reject him, so he rejects us.

What part of disbelieving in a metaphysical assertion qualifies you as choosing hell?

You torture yourself by ultimately choosing evil. Its yoru fault, not his. Why dont people ever take the blame for themselves....its always someone else...

How precisely is eternal torment in hell a valid and/or proportionate punishment for disbelieving in a metaphysical assertion? (God)

And seeing as most people who disbelieve in God do indeed not choose to go to hell - your standpoint is false.

It is our own choices that send us there. It isn't always exactly choosing to "go to Hell." Its taking a path and making choices in life that will lead you there regardless of what you do. The only way out is to let Jesus pay the debt.

By the last line, I assume the only way out is to believe in Jesus. So by your standpoint, every human is going to hell unless they accept Jesus. How is eternal torture in hell a proportionate punishment simply for disbelieving in something?

Is not recognition of sincerity in Christianity?

Would it be just to acquit a proven rapist? If one helped a butterfly with his struggle in the cacoon be considered merciful? If a friend mocked you in your joys, would he be considered humble? No. Indeed not. The judge would be considered corrupt, the one with the butterfly, crippling, and the friend actually an enemy.

How is this reconcilable or in fact have anything to do with the concept of torturing someone simply for disbelieving in something?

Then what is the point of this life?

What is the point of heaven?

 

[elman]

Originally Posted by elman
Then what is the point of this life?


What is the point of heaven?

To exist forever in a loving relationship with our Creator and each other.

 

[Vene]

I have a question to all those who believe in God. Why? What is your basis for having a magic man in the sky (oh wait, he's everywhere at once, no he's outside creation, ect) that judges all sin equally? How is it justice to burn both the murderer and an adulterer for their sin? The murderer takes the life of another person, but adulterer can't keep his/her pants on. It's not that I support cheating on your spouse, but to say it's as bad as murder? What about the laws in Leviticus? Is the man who wears a cotton-polyester blend shirt or the woman who eats shrimp just as bad as a convict who hotwires another's car? After all, all sin is equal in the eye of God.

You god is deplorable and I won't worship him. Hell is just a revenge fantasy and a tool used by the church to control its subjects.

 

[elman]

I have a question to all those who believe in God. Why? What is your basis for having a magic man in the sky (oh wait, he's everywhere at once, no he's outside creation, ect) that judges all sin equally? How is it justice to burn both the murderer and an adulterer for their sin? The murderer takes the life of another person, but adulterer can't keep his/her pants on. It's not that I support cheating on your spouse, but to say it's as bad as murder? What about the laws in Leviticus? Is the man who wears a cotton-polyester blend shirt or the woman who eats shrimp just as bad as a convict who hotwires another's car? After all, all sin is equal in the eye of God.

You god is deplorable and I won't worship him. Hell is just a revenge fantasy and a tool used by the church to control its subjects.

My God is a loving Creator that does hurt anyone and does not ask us to hurt anyone. There is no pain and sufferin in the afterlife.

 

[Vene]

My God is a loving Creator that does hurt anyone and does not ask us to hurt anyone. There is no pain and sufferin in the afterlife.

What about those who aren't perfect people or who don't accept Christianity? What about the millions of people who were born before year 0? Or the millions of people that lived in a part of the world where Christianity didn't reach in their lifetime? Are they doomed to eternal damnation?

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

You say that God is all-good. How can God be all good if he murders souls in hell?

How can God be bad if He is God? Are you aware of how illogical it is to ascribe fallibility to an omnipotent deity?

 

[elman]

What about those who aren't perfect people or who don't accept Christianity? What about the millions of people who were born before year 0? Or the millions of people that lived in a part of the world where Christianity didn't reach in their lifetime? Are they doomed to eternal damnation?

You did not read what I wrote. I said there is no pain in the afterlife, for anyone. There are no perfect people and that is why grace is so important. The ones who are not loving to others and harm others simply do not survive physical death. They cease to exist forever.