The Lie: Serpent seed Doctrine

[creslaw]

The scripture clearly states that Cain was the son of Adam.

Genesis 4:1
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

I used to read it that way too but when you include verses 1 & 2 you get a bigger picture. What happened was
1. Adam had sex with Eve
2. Eve conceived Abel.
3. Eve gave birth to Cain first.
4. Then she gave birth to a second baby, Abel.

Why did Eve say she had gotten a man from the Lord? Well we know she didn't mean in the way that the virgin Mary became pregnant, but she knew that God was the source of all life.

 

[creslaw]

as we talk about myths, lets add this one,

"
When the first man, Adam, saw that he was alone, God made for him a woman like himself, from the earth.God called her name Lilith, and brought her to Adam. They immediately began to quarrel. Adam said: “You lie beneath me.” And Lilith said: “You lie beneath me! We are both equal, for both of us are from the earth.” And they would not listen to one another.

As soon as Lilith saw this, she uttered the Divine name and flew up into the air and fled. Adam began to pray before his Creator, saying: “Master of the universe, the woman that you gave me has fled.” God sent three angels and said to them: “Go bring back Lilith. If she wants to come, she shall come, and if she does not want to come, do not bring her against her will.

The three angels went and found her in the sea at the place where the Egyptians were destined to drown. There they grabbed her and said to her: “If you will go with us,well and good, but if not, we will drown you in the sea.”

Lilith said to them:”My friends, I know God only created me to weaken infants when they are eight days old. From the day a child is born until the eighth day, I have dominion over the child, and from the eighth day onward I have no dominion over him if he is a boy, but if a girl, I rule over her twelve days.”

They said: “We won’t let you go until you accept upon yourself that each day one hundred of your children will die.” And she accepted it. That is why one hundred demons die every day. They would not leave her alone until she swore to them:”In any place that I see you or your names in an amulet, I will have no dominion over that child.” They left her. And she is Lilith, who weakens the children of men….

Alphabet of Ben Sira 23a-b"Lilith, Lady Flying in Darkness | My Jewish Learning

Those who accept serpent's seed doctrine use the Bible ... big difference.

 

[2tim_215]

Short answer: no.
William Branham, one of those who taught serpent's seed doctrine explained it this way:

Now I know in answering one question another one is apt to come up, and people ask me, “If Eve fell that way, what did Adam do, for God lays the blame on Adam?” That is simple. The Word of God is forever settled in heaven. Before one speck of stardust was made, that Word (God’s law) was there exactly as it is written in our Bible. Now the Word teaches us that if a woman leaves her husband and goes with another man she is an adulteress and is no longer married and the husband is not to take her back. That Word was true in Eden as it was true when Moses wrote it in the law. The Word can’t change. Adam took her back. He knew exactly what he was doing, but he did it anyway. She was a part of him, and he was willing to take her responsibility upon himself. He would not let her go. So Eve conceived by him. He knew she would. He knew exactly what would happen to the human race, and he sold the human race into sin that he might have Eve, for he loved her.
(An Exposition Of The Seven Church Ages, p104)
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By his action, Adam typed Jesus Christ who took our sin on Himself for His love of His bride, the Church ( 2 Corinthians 5:21)

This doesn't explain why if Adam ate of the same tree as Eve (which the Bible said he did) if Eve "eating" the fruit of the tree meant having sex with the serpent (which it does not) that would mean that Adam had sex with the serpent as well, which we know is absurdly untrue.

 

[creslaw]

This doesn't explain why if Adam ate of the same tree as Eve (which the Bible said he did) if Eve "eating" the fruit of the tree meant having sex with the serpent (which it does not) that would mean that Adam had sex with the serpent as well, which we know is absurdly untrue.

Eating refers to the sexual act (Proverbs 30:20).

 

[2tim_215]

Eating refers to the sexual act (Proverbs 30:20).

Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
eat -
Hebrew Word: ‏אָכַל‎
Transliteration: ʾākal
Phonetic Pronunciation: aw-kal'
Root: a primitive root
Cross Reference: TWOT - 85
Vine's Words: Eat(To)
Usage notes:
eat 604
devour 111
consume 32
miscellaneous translations 55
[Total Count: 810
H398 - a primitive root; to eat (literal or figurative) :- × at all, burn up, consume, devour (-er, up), dine, eat (-er, up), feed (with), food, × freely, × in...wise (-deed, plenty), (lay) meat, × quite.
Proverbs 30:20 (KJV) Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
H398 - a primitive root; to eat (literal or figurative) :- × at all, burn up, consume, devour (-er, up), dine, eat (-er, up), feed (with), food, × freely, × in...wise (-deed, plenty), (lay) meat, × quite.
This doesn't mean sex. It means eat. Same mistake of the Murrays of the world I'm afraid.

 

[creslaw]

Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
eat -
Hebrew Word: ‏אָכַל‎
Transliteration: ʾākal
Phonetic Pronunciation: aw-kal'
Root: a primitive root
Cross Reference: TWOT - 85
Vine's Words: Eat(To)
Usage notes:
eat 604
devour 111
consume 32
miscellaneous translations 55
[Total Count: 810
H398 - a primitive root; to eat (literal or figurative) :- × at all, burn up, consume, devour (-er, up), dine, eat (-er, up), feed (with), food, × freely, × in...wise (-deed, plenty), (lay) meat, × quite.
Proverbs 30:20 (KJV) Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
H398 - a primitive root; to eat (literal or figurative) :- × at all, burn up, consume, devour (-er, up), dine, eat (-er, up), feed (with), food, × freely, × in...wise (-deed, plenty), (lay) meat, × quite.
This doesn't mean sex. It means eat. Same mistake of the Murrays of the world I'm afraid.

Eating is used in the figurative sense, as a metaphor. There are similar metaphors used in the Song of Solomon.

Jesus when He spoke about eating his flesh and drinking His blood was using eating & drinking as a metaphor for believing His words (John 6:54)

 

[2tim_215]

Eating is used in the figurative sense, as a metaphor. There are similar metaphors used in the Song of Solomon.

Jesus when He spoke about eating his flesh and drinking His blood was using eating & drinking as a metaphor for believing His words (John 6:54)

It still means eat and has nothing to do with sex as you can see from the Strong's definitions.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Those who accept serpent's seed doctrine use the Bible ... big difference.

The Serpent Seed Doctrine originates in the Gospel of Philip, not the Bible. It was modern revelations of those listed before that misinterpreted scriptures.

"He who has been created is beautiful, but you would <not> find his sons noble creations. If he were not created, but begotten, you would find that his seed was noble. But now he was created (and) he begot. What nobility is this? First, adultery came into being, afterward murder. And he was begotten in adultery, for he was the child of the Serpent. So he became a murderer, just like his father, and he killed his brother. Indeed, every act of sexual intercourse which has occurred between those unlike one another is adultery."Gospel of Philip

It was first exposed by a early church father in,

"7. But Ialdabaoth, feeling envious at this, was pleased to form the design of again emptying man by means of woman, and produced a woman from his own enthymesis, whom that Prunicus [above mentioned] laying hold of, imperceptibly emptied her of power. But the others coming and admiring her beauty, named her Eve, and falling in love with her, begat sons by her, whom they also declare to be the angels. But their mother (Sophia) cunningly devised a scheme to seduce Eve and Adam, by means of the serpent, to transgress the command of Ialdabaoth. Eve listened to this as if it had proceeded from a son of God, and yielded an easy belief. She also persuaded Adam to eat of the tree regarding which God had said that they should not eat of it. They then declare that, on their thus eating, they attained to the knowledge of that power which is above all, and departed from those who had created them.2973 When Prunicus perceived that the powers were thus baffled by their own creature, she greatly rejoiced, and again cried out, that since the father was incorruptible, he (Ialdabaoth) who formerly called himself the father was a liar; and that, while Anthropos and the first woman (the Spirit) existed previously, this one (Eve) sinned by committing adultery."ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

The Scripture that originally misused for Lilith is
Isaiah 34:14 [Full Chapter]
The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.

As I said, in my last post, both are myths. I never claimed that Lilith was based on the Bible, and neither is from the Bible.

Search Within Books: Lilith - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

There is even another myth here.
The Forgotten Books of Eden: The First Book of Adam and Eve: Chapter LXXII



Weaver, C. Douglas (2000). The Healer-Prophet: William Marrion Branham (A study of the Prophetic in American Pentecostalism). Mercer University Press.

It was Branham who, misread it into the bible, "She was actually seduced by the serpent. It says in Genesis 3:1" via revelation. The Original Sin | William Branham

This is where Daniel Parker taught that error,
http://www.particularbaptistlibrary.org/LIBRARY/Theology/Treaties on the Two Seeds - Parker.pdf

This is the other false teacher ... https://www.google.com/search?ei=BX...39.1386.3j10......0....1..gws-wiz.c88dcVIVwlY

 

[Daniel Marsh]

"Mr. Murray teaches Anglo‐Israelism, which believes that Anglo‐Saxons are the chosen race, and America and Great Britain are the lost tribes of the children of Israel. Murray claims that the northern ten tribes of Israel are “the same tribes that later went north and populated Europe and North America.” (The Shepherd’s Chapel newsletter #148, 2‐91) According to the theology of Anglo‐Israelism, other races are inferior to whites, and usually the blacks and Jewish race are particularly stigmatized. Murray, on the other hand, says that he respects blacks and other races. However, he believes these races were the Adam created on the sixth day of creation in Genesis 1, while the Anglo‐Saxons were another Adam created on the eighth day of creation based on his interpretation of Genesis 2. Hence, there is a definite distinction between whites and non‐whites. Arnold Murray also promotes the literature of other Anglo‐Israelism teachers. The Shepherd’s Chapel Book List, for instance, offers materials by E. Raymond Capt and J. H. Allen.

...

Mr. Murray set an end time date by claiming that the Antichrist would appear by 1981. This prediction, of course, turned out to be false. “Lucifer was taken to the pit…Know from the 2nd chapter of 2 Thessalonians that he shall soon return. The Book of Daniel very clearly states that it shall happen before the year 1981, if you have any understanding at all of the wisdom of the elect in the last days.” (Seed of the Serpent, version taped in 1979) Yet, in spite of his prejudices, false doctrine, and false prophecies, he states, “I am a servant of the living God that carries the end time message, and it’s either time to wake up now, or go down with your boat, friend.” (The Shepherd’s Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5‐16‐91)"http://www.equip.org/article/arnold-murray-and-the-shepherds-chapel/

Arnold Murray Shepherd's Chapel failed Prophecies Arnold Murray Shepherd's Chapel failed Prophecies

"He predicted that the war of Armageddon will start on June 8-9, 1985 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."

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One of the several false doctrines of the Shepherd's Chapel is the teaching that all people had an existence prior to being here on earth in what is called the first earth age."Arnold Murray. False Teacher. False Prophet.

VIDEO, CLICK BELOW!!

Arnold Murray's Failed Prophecies
Arnold Murray. False Teacher. False Prophet.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=k3......1..gws-wiz.......33i299j33i160.oLqppXZFiaU

 

[Daniel Marsh]

"Added to Branham’s occultism and heretical, anti-Trinitarian teaching is his false prophecy. Branham made a “personal prediction” that the end of the world would occur in or before 1977."What is Branhamism?

"
How can William Branham be a true prophet of God if he failed the test of Deut 18:20-22?

1. What did William Branham prophesy about Billy Graham? Did the prophecy come to pass? (this is either a failed prophecy or William Branham lied about the prophecy).
2. Did William Branham make any REAL prophecies? (We can't find any before the fact prophecies on any tape!)
3. Why did William Branham say that the municipal bridge vision was fulfilled when it clearly wasn't? (Failed Prophecy)
4. Why did William Branham say "Thus Saith The Lord" that he would shoot a large brown bear, when he didn't? (Failed Prophecy)
5. Why did the vision that William Branham had of the meetings in south Africa fail to be fulfilled? (Failed Prophecy)
6. The Seven Ten Prophecies of 1933
   1. Why did William Branham prophecy that America would start World War 2? (Prophecy Changed/Failed Prophecy)
   2. Was Mussloni's invasion of Ethiopia really his last invasion? (Prophecy Changed/Failed Prophecy)
   3. Why did William Branham's prophecy of Hitler change over time? (Prophecy Changed)
   4. Did Facism, Nazisim and Communism really unite into Communism? (Failed Prophecy)
   5. Did the prophecy of egg-shaped come from William Branham's visit to the 1933 World's Fair? ("After the Fact" Prophecy)
   6. Was William Branham's prophecy of a driverless car based on a Disney TV program? ("After the Fact" Prophecy)
   7. Are women really going to wear a fig leaf apron and go topless? (Failed Prophecy)
   8. Did women elect the wrong person or was it the men's vote? ("After the Fact" Prophecy/Failed Prophecy)
   9. Why did William Branham state that the prophecy of the rise of the cruel woman in America was already fulfilled? (Failed Prophecy)
   10. Why did William Branham change his prophecy of the destruction of America? (Prophecy Changed)
7. Why is Los Angeles still above water if Billy Paul is an old man? (Failed Prophecy)
8. Was William Branham's death before the Rapture a failed prophecy? (Failed Prophecy)
9. Why did William Branham state that Martin Luther King, Jr. would cause the death of millions, when this didn't happen? (Not a prophecy)
10. Was William Branham's vision of Marilyn Monroe's death accurate? (Failed Prophecy)
11. Why did William Branham change the vision of the angels appearing? (Prophecy Changed)
12. Why did William Branham predict that the USA would be destroyed by 1977? (Failed Prophecy)
13. Was the meeting of Nikita Khrushchev and Dwight Eisenhower the fulfillment of Daniel chapter 2? (Failed Prophecy)
14. Will Russia destroy the Vatican? (Failed Prophecy)
15. Why did William Branham say that man would never land on the moon... but the communists might? (Failed Prophecy)
16. Was the prophecy of the World Council of Churches accurate? (Failed Prophecy)
17. If the vision of the Plum and Apple Trees was from God, why did William Branham change his mind about it in 1965? (Prophecy Changed)
18. Was the prophecy of the 1964 Alaska earthquake made after the fact? ("After the Fact" Prophecy)
19. What is the Third Pull? Was it prophetic? (too vague to qualify as a bona fide prophecy)
20. Did William Branham really prophecy where he would live? ("After the Fact" Prophecy)
21. Why did William Branham mention the Ohio river flood years before he told of his prophecy without saying anything about it? ("After the Fact" Prophecy)
22. Is Florida going under as well? (Ambiguous prophecy)
23. Did William Branham prophesy his own death? (This was not a prophecy)
24. Why did William Branham's original commissioning vision disappear? (This vision was abandoned by William Branham)
25. Was the birth of Joseph Branham foretold? (Ambiguous prophecy)
26. Was the death of Florence Shakarian prophesied before she died? (Ambiguous prophecy)
27. Was William Branham's ministry foretold in a Santa Rosa church? ("After the Fact" Prophecy)
28. What if William Branham was a Prophet?

Was William Branham Honest?
If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. - Mark Twain
The Bible plainly tells us what is expected of Christian leaders:

An elder must be blameless...[8]
For the overseer must be blameless as one entrusted with God’s work...[9]
The overseer then must be above reproach...[10]
And these also must be tested first and then let them serve as deacons if they are found blameless.[11]
William Branham portrayed himself as a simple, honest, uneducated man who was sent from God as a prophet to fore-run the second coming of Christ. However, many of the stories that he told have been proven to be untrue and many of the doctrines that he said he received directly from God were, in fact, plagiarized from other ministers. If you click on the individual items below, they will take you to a detailed explanation of each issue.

1. Did William Branham visit the Vatican and see the inscription "VICARIVS FILII DEI" above the throne of the Pope?
2. Did William Branham lie about his prophecy regarding Billy Graham?
3. Did anyone hear the voice on the Ohio River in 1933?
4. Did William Branham see a mother eagle carry her babies on her wings?
5. Why did William Branham say that he was under the cloud when they took its picture, when he clearly wasn't?
6. Did William Branham travel around the world seven times?
7. Was William Branham's Bible saved miraculously in the 1937 flood?
8. Why did the story of the man from Windsor change so drastically over time?
9. Why did William Branham say that he received his revelations from God when he took many of his doctrines from other men?
10. Why did William Branham change the story of Congressman Upshaw's healing?
11. When did William Branham embrace Pentecostalism?
12. Was Donny Morton really healed?
13. Did William Branham speak in an unknown tongue that a Finnish woman understood?
14. Was it reasonable for William Branham to blame his poor grammar on his dad?
15. Did William Branham prayer for King George VI and was he really healed?
16. Did William Branham raise a boy from the dead in Finland?
17. Who was Hope Branham's Nurse?
18. Was Florence Nightingale the granddaughter of the original Florence Nightingale?
19. Did the Pillar of Fire really appear above William Branham's head in Houston? Why did other pictures from that evening appear in the newspaper, when he said his picture was the only one that turned out?
20. Was William Branham truthful about asking Hope's parents for her hand in marriage?
21. If only sissies wear shorts, why did William Branham wear them?
22. How could William Branham have allowed Leo Mercer to be part of his ministry?
23. Did William Branham claim to be a prophet?
24. Was William Branham born under a Nazarite Vow?
25. Was William Branham's discernment 100% accurate?
26. Was William Branham's ministry always 100%?
27. What was in the cornerstone of Branham Tabernacle?
28. Did William Branham travel around the world seven times?
29. Why was William Branham dishonest about his son's first marriage?
30. Why was the vision of the five angels changed to a vision of seven angels?
31. Why did William Branham say that he was at Sunset Mountain when he was actually at Rattlesnake Mesa?
32. Why did William Branham make up the story of the Pyramid Box?
33. Why did William Branham's stories change so radically over time?
34. Was William Branham really the first fruits of spiritual maturity? The perfect man?
35. Was the photo from Houston supernatural or just the out of focus picture of a flood light?
36. Did William Branham see an amber light?
37. Did William Branham help to launch the ministry of Jim Jones?
38. Was Marshal Matt Dillon from Gunsmoke a real person?
39. Is Joseph Branham a prophet?
40. Was there a Mormon prophecy about William Branham?
41. Danny Henry message
42. How did William Branham view himself?
43. Was William Branham a wealthy man when he died?
44. If God spoke through William Branham, why did he mess up?
45. If it was wrong to kill animals for sport, why did William Branham do it?
46. Why did William Branham deny that he went to movies 3 weeks after admitting that he did?
47. Why did William Branham criticize those who drove Cadillac's when he owned one?
48. Why did William Branham criticize women that cut their hair and wore short skirts, when his own family did?
49. What actually happened to Hattie Wright's boys?
50. Why did William Branham say he went to William Cowper's grave when he didn't?
51. Why did William Branham say William Cowper committed suicide when he died of heart failure?
52. Why did William Branham state the Stephen Foster committed suicide, when this is not true?
53. Was there really a connection between the Pope visiting israel in 1964 and the lunar eclipse that preceded his visit?"List of Issues with the Message - BelieveTheSign

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Failed Prophecies - BelieveTheSign

http://www.equip.org/perspectives/was-william-marrion-branham-a-true-prophet-of-god/

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...i22i10i30j33i299j33i160j33i10i160._D4IbUnUw3I

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Daniel Parker (Baptist) - Wikipedia

 

[Rescued One]

Thank you, Daniel Marsh.

"The serpent seed doctrine is a belief based on poor biblical interpretation and superstition. It is a primary doctrinal resource for those who want to use Scriptures to justify racial prejudice. The serpent seed doctrine is also closely related to other erroneous beliefs such as the Christian Identity Movement and the Kenite doctrine. Like many false beliefs, it has a built-in defense mechanism; that is, anyone who disagrees with it is accused of being a son of the serpent. One of the most unfortunate problems with the serpent seed doctrine is that it so heavily relies on prejudice and warped biblical interpretation that it can be very difficult to discuss rationally."
What is the Serpent Seed doctrine?

 

[creslaw]

I know there are many people who disagree with William Branham and that's ok, I don't completely agree with some Bible teachers either. What you would agree with I'm sure is that we are saved by a personal faith in the death & resurrection of Jesus Christ - that was the heart of what Branham preached. He also often said there are genuine Christians in all denominations.

It is interesting to discuss doctrine but I don't spend time trying to personally discredit anyone because I've discovered what is said second hand about someone is very often wrong.

When discussing the serpent's seed doctrine I only ever use the Bible. Either Adam & Eve ate a literal fruit like an apple, or it was an unknown act of disobedience, or it was a sin that made them realize they were naked. I know what makes the most sense to me. I think I will leave it at that.

 

[creslaw]

Thank you, Daniel Marsh.

"The serpent seed doctrine is a belief based on poor biblical interpretation and superstition. It is a primary doctrinal resource for those who want to use Scriptures to justify racial prejudice. The serpent seed doctrine is also closely related to other erroneous beliefs such as the Christian Identity Movement and the Kenite doctrine. Like many false beliefs, it has a built-in defense mechanism; that is, anyone who disagrees with it is accused of being a son of the serpent. One of the most unfortunate problems with the serpent seed doctrine is that it so heavily relies on prejudice and warped biblical interpretation that it can be very difficult to discuss rationally."
What is the Serpent Seed doctrine?

I should say that I do not agree with anything said in that paragraph.

 

[creslaw]

It still means eat and has nothing to do with sex as you can see from the Strong's definitions.

There are many Christians who have never heard of serpent's seed doctrine who regard the "tree of the knowledge of good & evil", the "fruit", and "eating" as metaphors for disobeying God's Word.

I suppose it is similar to the old argument of whether the word "day" in creation means 24 hours.

 

[mmksparbud]

First you have to decide whether you believe in two literal trees with literal fruit. That is difficult to maintain given the descriptions and context: "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" and "the tree of life" had fruit that could make you wise or make you live forever (Genesis 3:22). A literal fruit could make them live forever? That is not consistent with the rest of Scripture.

And then you have the Revelation context: "the tree of life" is mentioned three times in Genesis and three times in Revelation. Would you argue the tree of life in Revelation is a literal tree?

What you makes think it isn't???

 

[mmksparbud]

Eating refers to the sexual act (Proverbs 30:20).

Not always!!!!

 

[creslaw]

What you makes think it isn't???

I believe Jesus Christ is the source of eternal life, not a literal tree.

 

[creslaw]

Not always!!!!

true ... and a door is not always a door (John 10:9)