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Correct. Those are verbs, and faith is a noun. So again, faith is the body of knowledge that God wants humans to believe or trust in.
Marvin I totally agree that once saved always saved, but Jesus told the Rich Young Ruler what he must do to get to Heaven, and He said go, sell, and give and you will have treasure in Heaven. Jesus told him "one" thing you lack. It was only one thing he needed to do, but he refused. He said that he had observed all Ten Commandments, but that wasn't his problem. God knows our hearts and Jesus looked at his heart and said, one thing you lack, do this and you will have treasure in Heaven. This statement also agrees with you that you can't lose your salvation, how could you have treasure in Heaven if your not going to Heaven? But, it was only one thing, and that one thing he did not want to do. That's usually what it is with most of us, "one thing".
But Jesus gave God the credit for that action in John 6:29.Well, the Bible disagrees. Paul's answer to the jailer was to "believe and you WILL BE SAVED". Believing is an action. And that is what we must do to be saved.
But Calvinists disagree. They think that "faith is a gift" is an action that God causes in us. Nope. No evidence at all from Scripture.
I read Luke 17:5-7 very carefully several times - as I have many times before. I do not see the definition of faith in that passage.The best definition of faith in the Bible is where the Lord Himself tells the disciples what faith is. Luke 17:5-10, read carefully, it has been there for two thousand years but we have missed it.
Well, the Bible disagrees. Paul's answer to the jailer was to "believe and you WILL BE SAVED". Believing is an action. And that is what we must do to be saved.
But Calvinists disagree. They think that "faith is a gift" is an action that God causes in us. Nope. No evidence at all from Scripture.
There isn't anything "earth shattering" about the noun and verb. And I've already explained the difference between them.Pistis is the noun for Faith. Pisteuo is the verb form of ? are you interested in knowing something earth shattering about pisteuo fg2?
The word "approve" means to believe that something is good or acceptable.I was under the impression by approved you meant "saved".
I know my theology isn't 100% correct.
Not really. In the context, the Jews, who were works oriented, in that they thought that they would be saved by keeping the law, asked what were the works that God required to be saved.But Jesus gave God the credit for that action in John 6:29.
One is either saved forever after truly being saved or one is not saved forever after truly being saved.What difficult Marvin is the ones that are pro osas are half right and half wrong. And the anti osas are half right and half wrong. In our temporal world they would both be right and both be wrong, even at the same. The problem is ln Gods world is a half truth is error. therefore both pro and anti osas are wrong.
The word "approve" means to believe that something is good or acceptable.
As we stand before God "in Christ" we certainly are pronounced "acceptable".
But that does not mean that everything about our life is acceptable.
Certainly our sin is not acceptable - that goes without saying.
But beyond that - the Bible says that without faith it is impossible to please God.
Men of old, just like us, may well have been saved. But it was their faith that allowed them to execute His will and gain His approval.
Like I said, the term "approved by God" cuts a very wide swath.
Entry into the Kingdom of God comes through simple faith in the justifying work of Christ at Calvary. But exercising authority in the Kingdom of God does not come automatically. That takes faith.
We can build ourselves up in faith so that we can better represent Christ on earth. Indeed we are command to do so.
We do that by praying in the Holy Spirit according to scripture.
But praying in the Holy Spirit assumes that we are saved and have the Holy Spirit in the first place.
Also it assumes that we know what "praying in the Holy Spirit" consists of. A great many in the church are ignorant of or just plain reject how one prays in the Holy Spirit scripturally. When we do not have - even what we though we have sill be taken from us.
To pray in the Spirit requires faith. That faith comes through study and acceptance of what the Word of God teaches concerning how it is done. Without that faith we will not please God and His Spirit will be grieved.
There is a lot more to "salvation" than just escaping Hell and making it to Heaven.
Anyone who has the Holy Spirit will escape Hell and make it to Heaven. But only those who please God by faith will live up to their full potential in the Kingdom of God.
And I agree. And I explained what that means.The bible tells us faith is a gift.
The phrase "this is not your own doing" refers to salvation, not the action of believing.Eph 2:8 “By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.”
Not sure my answer will satisfy, as I've answered this for Calvinists many times, but it's no different than why people choose any other different things.I asked the question above and nobody responded.
Why would one person want to come to God and the other not come?
Is it their IQ?
Where they were born?
How persuading the preacher was?
and that specifically affects salvation how?Because generally it is the only good explanation. Sure some might just genuinely be in error. But once they have looked at the other side sufficiently there is no excuse for them not to see the truth. They will not keep on trying to argue against it over and over again until the end. They will realize they were wrong, repent, and walk in the light.
I said this:
" Paul's answer to the jailer was to "believe and you WILL BE SAVED". Believing is an action. And that is what we must do to be saved.
But Calvinists disagree. They think that "faith is a gift" is an action that God causes in us. Nope. No evidence at all from Scripture."
And I agree. And I explained what that means.
The phrase "this is not your own doing" refers to salvation, not the action of believing.
Not sure my answer will satisfy, as I've answered this for Calvinists many times, but it's no different than why people choose any other different things.
What people believe about a variety of things varies. And people change their minds about a lot of things they believe.
My sense is that Calvinists believe that regeneration precedes believing and is necessary in order for one to believe. But that is really nothing other than being pre-programmed, like a robot, or puppet. I know that Calvinists bristle at that, but if God chooses who to regenerate in order for them to believe, then that's exactly what it is.
People believe what they are convinced is true. Even when such things may obviously not be true. And people change their minds.
So, why some believe and others don't cannot be due to IQ differences. Or where they were born. btw, that reminds me. Paul told the Mars Hill Athenians that God is the One who places all humans when and WHERE He does so that they will seek Him.
Acts 17:26,27 - 26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one ofus;
I do think that persuasion can be a factor. When one is persuaded, they will believe. Even King Agrippa acknowledged that.
There isn't anything "earth shattering" about the noun and verb. And I've already explained the difference between them.
Was there something "earth shattering" that needs to be added to my explanation?
There isn't anything "earth shattering" about the noun and verb. And I've already explained the difference between them.
Was there something "earth shattering" that needs to be added to my explanation?
Nope. We're saved by grace through faith in Christ. Biblical hope is confidence that we ARE saved. Not will be saved.
Acts 16:31 tells us how to be saved.
I believe the reason why is stated in Romans 9:22-23I have to disagree with you. I hope you don't mind.
If it's your decision to believe....then you won't ever really believe.
But for the sake of the argument, lets say it is your decision....why would one make the decision? The answer is God is sovereign and has providence. You don't stumble on that decision on your own.
To answer Acts above, I still seek God. I would imagine so do you. I don't seek God for salvation but rather seek God to know Him better.
God found me and saved me. Why? I don't know. God renews your mind, quickens you...give you to Jesus. John 6:37 says: All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
I believe the reason why is stated in Romans 9:22-23
[22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
[23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
[24] Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
People bristle at the thought of not having freedom of will in the matter, and confuse faith in general with saving faith. But the scriptures are pretty clear ( Eph1:4 ) that He chose whom to have mercy on, before creation.
Saving faith is what regeneration is for.
I believe regeneration is first....if you have to draw some sort of logical timeline. In reality saving faith, the gift is given at the same moment regeneration occurs.
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