The Laws of the Universe

[Nathan Poe]

God verified it for you and put it in Writing.

Actually, He didn't -- but thanks for making up nonsense and passing it off as "basic doctrine" -- as usual.

 

[sandwiches]

God verified it for you and put it in Writing.

How can we verify that he indeed did this?

 

[Nathan Poe]

How can we verify that he indeed did this?

Nobody can -- "walk by faith, not by sight"* is nothing but a convenient phrase used to justify one's own intellectual sloth.

*without this footnote, AV probably wouldn't bother to quote my response past this point -- gotta keep these religious types honest!

 

[dad]

How can we verify what these supposed witnesses saw?

How can you verify the Caesar passed gas?

 

[Nathan Poe]

How can you verify the Caesar passed gas?

That's odd, dad -- we don't expect you religious types to compare your own beliefs to foul-smelling vaporous excrement.

Uusually you guys provide us the means to do so -- decided to cut out the middleman, did we?

 

[dad]

That's odd, dad -- we don't expect you religious types to compare your own beliefs to foul-smelling vaporous excrement.

Uusually you guys provide us the means to do so -- decided to cut out the middleman, did we?

We'll have take that to mean that you can no more prove that Caesar passed gas than Peter walked on water. It is silly asking for verification of the sacred records. Not like Peter could have pulled a fast one, and got apostles to conspire with him, to pretend he walked on water. I find it cultish when so called science ilk wave away all solid testimony from any time that doesn't suit their dark agenda.

 

[Nathan Poe]

We'll have take that to mean that you can no more prove that Caesar passed gas than Peter walked on water.

We'll have to take that to mean that you're blathering because you don't know the first thing about deductive reasoning.

Deduction -- taking a general premise that is considered to be true, and applying it to a specific scenario.

• All human beings pass gas
• Caesar was a human being
• Therefore, Caesar passed gas.

Your turn, dad -- did Peter walk on water?

It is silly asking for verification of the sacred records.

Not nearly as silly as not asking.

Not like Peter could have pulled a fast one, and got apostles to conspire with him, to pretend he walked on water.

Chances are if Peter or the apostles read those "sacred" records, they'd be very puzzled at some of the nonsense that people claimed they did.

I find it cultish when so called science ilk wave away all solid testimony from any time that doesn't suit their dark agenda.

I find it ironic that you would decry anything as a "cult."

 

[AV1611VET]

Deduction -- taking a general premise that is considered to be true, and applying it to a specific scenario.

• All human beings pass gas
• Caesar was a human being
• Therefore, Caesar passed gas.

Your turn, dad -- did Peter walk on water?

That's easy:

• Homo sapiens don't walk on water.
• Peter walked on water.
• Therefore, Peter was not a Homo sapiens.

 

[Freodin]

That's easy:

• Homo sapiens don't walk on water.
• Peter walked on water.
• Therefore, Peter was not a Homo sapiens.

No, no, no... you got that wrong!

• Peter walked on water.
• Peter was a Homo sapiens
• Therefore, AV is wrong as usual.

 

[Doveaman]

Deduction -- taking a general premise that is considered to be true, and applying it to a specific scenario.

• All human beings pass gas
• Caesar was a human being
• Therefore, Caesar passed gas.

Your turn, dad -- did Peter walk on water?

Caesar passed gas and Peter walked hastily across the water to escape the gas.

 

[Nathan Poe]

That's easy:

• Homo sapiens don't walk on water.
• Peter walked on water.
• Therefore, Peter was not a Homo sapiens.

Your minor premise is faulty, therefore your conclusion is invalid.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Caesar passed gas and Peter walked hastily across the water to escape the gas.

Now, now, Dove -- if I wanted fundie humor, I'd read your literature.

 

[sandwiches]

How can you verify the Caesar passed gas?

Passing gas is something that still occurs today. Therefore, we can verify that passing gas is something that is real and is fairly common. Can we verify your claim in the same way?

 

[AV1611VET]

Can we verify your claim in the same way?

I hope not.

 

[sandwiches]

I hope not.

That would answer my question then. That it can't be verified by detection (olfactory or otherwise.) Then, why believe the records?

 

[AV1611VET]

That would answer my question then. That it can't be verified by detection (olfactory or otherwise.) Then, why believe the records?

Weight occurs when gravity is resisted; faith occurs when science is resisted.

 

[sandwiches]

Weight occurs when gravity is resisted; faith occurs when science is resisted.

This has nothing to do with science. Either you can verify something or you can't. You can't. So, again the question: Why have faith in "the records?"

 

[Jazer]

Either you can verify something or you can't.

Science does not reject what they can verify, because there are things that they are not able to verify.

 

[AV1611VET]

This has nothing to do with science. Either you can verify something or you can't. You can't. So, again the question: Why have faith in "the records?"

You have answered your own question.

Answer: Because you can't verify it with science.

As I'm fond of saying: When sciene can do this ...

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... then we can talk.

 

[sandwiches]

Science does not reject what they can verify, because there are things that they are not able to verify.

I'm not saying we should reject dad's claims. I am asking why we should accept them.