The Laws of the Universe

[Split Rock]

The concept of being able to prove things wrong requires something to be known to be right. No? The present as the key to the past is only assumed.

You have this backward. The past is the key to the present. The present is built from the past, which is why we can tell what happened from the past from looking at the present. For some strange reason you continue to insist that the present and the past have nothing to do with each other.

 

[dad]

You have this backward. The past is the key to the present. The present is built from the past, which is why we can tell what happened from the past from looking at the present. For some strange reason you continue to insist that the present and the past have nothing to do with each other.

False. But what they have to do with each other is not determined by the present only.

 

[dad]

And if what we find is that everything in the universe is explainable by having the laws of nature being the same everywhere at all times, then that is the explanation we should go with.

You won't find that. Learn your place and limits.

I said investigation of the world, not modern science. Read what I write.

So what in the world did you investigate??

Are you scared to click on a link?

Make a point. Use a link to support it.

The world that was and the world that are now are both one and the same.

You do not know that.

Your claim that they are different is completely unsupported, and you have yet to provide support for it.

False. The only record man has supports it to the hilt.

I already did. do you think that investigating the world is a good way to find out things about the world?

Like?

There was no creation era.

Proof?

There's your problem. You start with the assumption that the Bible is true.

Yes. I do. But that only comes in after science fails. We need to look somewhere.

 

[dad]

Do you even know what confirmation bias is? Apparently not.

God is confirmed?

Really?



Evidence?

Really. In a billion times a billion ways in billions of people over time.

It's all very well to say God is confirmed, I can say the existence of Allah or Quetzalcoatl or Odin is confirmed. It means nothing unless you back it up - but then seeing as nothing you say ever seems to mean anything anyway, expecting you to provide the conclusive, empirical evidence that confirms God is asking a bit too much.

Jesus backed er up. Death is defeated.


If you want to talk just present nature science....fine. It knows little, and nothing at all about the spiritual, or history, or well kept records...etc. It knows the fishbowl.

 

[dad]

You have failed to provide a coherent argument to work with.

Soo you can't prove otherwise. OK.

No, I do not think you can do it. But if you can't, then you have failed.

Do what exactly?

You have failed to point out which bible best supports your case. You have failed to demonstrate how it supports your date claims.

Doesn't matter. Got one that does not say In the beginning God created the universe and earth?

I thought there was 7 days in a week? Silly bible.

By the seventh, it was all done. That was a rest day.

 

[Tiberius]

You won't find that. Learn your place and limits.

Ah, but we've been finding it for many decades now...

So what in the world did you investigate??

People have investigated a great deal, dad. That's how we know so much. Plants, animals, quantuim mechanics, electrical theory, medicine, chemistry geology astronomy... the list of things that humans have investigated is a very long one.

Make a point. Use a link to support it.

I'll post a link if I want to. I use it to provide information without typing it all out or paraphrasing it into my own words. I'm not going to waste my time paraphrasing something which I know you won't read. But do not think that the point is invalid just because I didn't write it myself.

You do not know that.

Yes I do.

False. The only record man has supports it to the hilt.

The record you speak of is a fantasy.

Like?

Investigation of the world determined the speed of light. it also determines what chemicals are contained in particular plants. it determined how to create anitdots to the venoms of different kinds of snakes and spiders. It also gave us knowledge about human anatomy that doctors use every day.

Proof?

Science.

Yes. I do. But that only comes in after science fails. We need to look somewhere.

Ah, but the trouble is that you conclude science fails whenever it disagrees with the bible.

So you are lying when you say you only use the Bible when science fails, because you are using it to come to the conclusion that science has failed.

 

[VehementiDominus]

Really. In a billion times a billion ways in billions of people over time.

Ok, when you've quite finished blabbering on about nonsense, perhapse you'd like to show me the evidence that "God is confirmed"?

If he is, as you claim, then it should be easy, and you can stop prancing around the request like a balereena on K.

Jesus backed er up. Death is defeated

Again, evidence?

If you want to talk just present nature science....fine. It knows little, and nothing at all about the spiritual, or history, or well kept records...etc. It knows the fishbowl.

Yeah, that doesn't actually address what I said.

Perhaps if you stopped spouting nonsense for 5 minutes and actually read what other people post before running around screaming jibberish, people might start to take you seriously.

Though I doubt it - your premise is a joke.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok, when you've quite finished blabbering on about nonsense, perhapse you'd like to show me the evidence that "God is confirmed"?

Those who went right up to Jesus and demanded evidence left disappointed.

What makes you think you should be treated any differently?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Those who went right up to Jesus and demanded evidence left disappointed.

What makes you think you should be treated any differently?

Because Jesus didn't make any asinine demands of the people who wanted evidence from him.

All we're asking you to do is put up or shut up.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because Jesus didn't make any asinine demands of the people who wanted evidence from him.

'Asinine' aside -- you mean like this?

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

All we're asking you to do is put up or shut up.

And we can't 'put up', because only God can do that -- but rest assured, we have no plans to 'shut up'.

 

[Nathan Poe]

'Asinine' aside -- you mean like this?

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

No, I mean asinine. Why set it aside?

And we can't 'put up', because only God can do that -- but rest assured, we have no plans to 'shut up'.

So you're just going to blather on, and wait for your personal slavegod to make good on your claims.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I mean asinine. Why set it aside?

Well, I suppose no one can separate you from asininity, can they?

So you're just going to blather on, and wait for your personal slavegod to make good on your claims.

Either that -- or I'm gong to encourage people to read their Bible and decide for themselves, and answer questions in between.

 

[Delphiki]

Either that -- or I'm gong to encourage people to read their Bible and decide for themselves, and answer questions in between.

This is actually something I've done since I was a Christian, and still do till this day, however, you seem to constantly claim my understanding of the bible is always wrong.

So if you want my advice, that probably won't work out very well for you.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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