The Laws of the Universe

[sandwiches]

Big Bang model isn't going anywhere. It's just an illusion of going somewhere caused by dark-magic.

The wizard creating humans from mud sounds like a much more plausible idea and the evidence supports it. Oh wait...

 

[SharpSolaris]

You can use of the system without dark matter.
1. Calculate the gravitational constant on Earth.
2. Calculate the gravitational constant from the interacting systems in space.
3. Compare. They are equal. Easy?
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Big Bang - it is a fact. And this fact, we can observe. Because we can observe the universe - all during existence from the beginning of the Big Bang to the present day. Because the speed of light has its limitations.

 

[SharpSolaris]

By the way - the immutability of gravity proves the density of rocks.

 

[Michael]

You can use of the system without dark matter.
1. Calculate the gravitational constant on Earth.
2. Calculate the gravitational constant from the interacting systems in space.
3. Compare. They are equal. Easy?
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Big Bang - it is a fact. And this fact, we can observe. Because we can observe the universe - all during existence from the beginning of the Big Bang to the present day. Because the speed of light has its limitations.

What would that demonstrate? It certainly doesn't demonstrate the existence of exotic forms of matter.

 

[dad]

You can use of the system without dark matter.
1. Calculate the gravitational constant on Earth.
2. Calculate the gravitational constant from the interacting systems in space.
3. Compare. They are equal. Easy?

That's what you think. Take a star...say V838 Mon in the unicorn constellation. Now, please calculate the gravitational constant there!!??

Big Bang - it is a fact. And this fact, we can observe. Because we can observe the universe - all during existence from the beginning of the Big Bang to the present day. Because the speed of light has its limitations.

Pathetic. A religious view of all things based on our laws and light, that led you to believe in expansion.. Then you reverse this imaginary expansion, till you fit the universe in something smaller than a snot. Wow. Impressive.

 

[dad]

By the way - the immutability of gravity proves the density of rocks.

Howso? I beg to differ.

 

[Delphiki]

That's what you think. Take a star...say V838 Mon in the unicorn constellation. Now, please calculate the gravitational constant there!!??

Pathetic. A religious view of all things based on our laws and light, that led you to believe in expansion..

It'd be God's fault if he created it all for making it that way. One wonders why you trust a book he told men to write over what he actually created himself.

Then you reverse this imaginary expansion, till you fit the universe in something smaller than a snot. Wow. Impressive.

So when a train passes by you, sounding it's horn, and the pitch drops due to Doppler shift, the train's movement is imaginary. I mean, it would have to be, if the expansion of the universe is imaginary.

Question I've been asking crea-... I mean Hovindists a lot lately is why you trust a what a book that God told people to write says about creation over what God created himself. Why is that?

 

[Hespera]

Question I've been asking crea-... I mean Hovindists a lot lately is why you trust a what a book that God told people to write says about creation over what God created himself. Why is that?

That would be a fact that certain individuals said that 'god" told them to write.

More recently, we have Joseph Smith who made quite similar claims, and produced an entire book, that a lot of intelligent people take 100% seriously.

The fact that no trace of the books, nor of the archaeology or genetics of said people exists matters not to them.

 

[AV1611VET]

More recently, we have Joseph Smith...

You can keep him, too.

According to our Bible, he was a false prophet.

 

[Upisoft]

That would be a fact that certain individuals said that 'god" told them to write.

More recently, we have Joseph Smith who made quite similar claims, and produced an entire book, that a lot of intelligent people take 100% seriously.

The fact that no trace of the books, nor of the archaeology or genetics of said people exists matters not to them.

Also L. Ron Hubbard. Proving that people can believe in anything.

 

[Delphiki]

You can keep him, too.

According to our Bible, he was a false prophet.

According to the Torah, so is Jesus.

 

[AV1611VET]

According to the Torah, so is Jesus.

Not even close -- notice what Jesus does to the two atheists here:

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

In addition:

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

 

[Ar Cosc]

Not even close -- notice what Jesus does to the two atheists here:

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

In addition:

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Yes, the bible would say it's true. Same as the Quran says it's true, and Scientology says it's true.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, the bible would say it's true. Same as the Quran says it's true, and Scientology says it's true.

But the Bible also tells us how we should spot false teachings, and someone calling him/herself a 'prophet' is making a major faux pas that actually exposes them as a charlatan to someone who knows and believes the Scriptures.

I've made this point before, but one man, who knew the Bible well (albeit he was an SDA), stood up to Jim Jones and refused to go along with his teachings; and he left the Peoples Temple -- meaning It saved his life.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Not even close -- notice what Jesus does to the two atheists here:

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

In addition:

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

What Atheists, AV? You've obviously quoted the wrong verse.

 

[Delphiki]

But the Bible also tells us how we should spot false teachings, and someone calling him/herself a 'prophet' is making a major faux pas that actually exposes them as a charlatan to someone who knows and believes the Scriptures.

Again.. so do the other religious scriptures. Not that putting such a claim in your religious texts makes it any more valid.

Anyone can lie about telling the truth just as easy as any other lie, especially when there's no way to prove it.

 

[Ar Cosc]

AV:

1: This forum post is the word of God.
2: Anything that contradicts this forum post is false.
3. Anyone contradicting this forum post is possessed by the devil.
4. At the time of writing, it is sunny outside in Dublin
5. You should not be rude to people who don't deserve it.

 

[Ar Cosc]

AV:

1: This forum post is the word of God.
2: Anything that contradicts this forum post is false.
3. Anyone contradicting this forum post is possessed by the devil.
4. At the time of writing, it is sunny outside in Dublin
5. You should not be rude to people who don't deserve it.

As your posts contradict Forum Post 2, they are false, and as they contradict forum post 3, you are possessed by the devil.

 

[dad]

It'd be God's fault if he created it all for making it that way. One wonders why you trust a book he told men to write over what he actually created himself.

I don't care who's fault it is, the claim was made that the gravitational constant could be measured there....let's see it.

So when a train passes by you, sounding it's horn, and the pitch drops due to Doppler shift, the train's movement is imaginary. I mean, it would have to be, if the expansion of the universe is imaginary.

No. But if stars form what looks like a train in a distant galaxy, I do not run off the tracks either. What happens in earth stays on earth. You need space and time and forces and laws to be the same far away for something that happens here to happen there the same way.

Question I've been asking crea-... I mean Hovindists a lot lately is why you trust a what a book that God told people to write says about creation over what God created himself. Why is that?

What is created far away simply does not obey man's prison rules.

 

[dad]

That would be a fact that certain individuals said that 'god" told them to write.

More recently, we have Joseph Smith who made quite similar claims, and produced an entire book, that a lot of intelligent people take 100% seriously.

The fact that no trace of the books, nor of the archaeology or genetics of said people exists matters not to them.

What 'said' people? Ever heard of the tomb of Abraham, or Joseph?