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mwood30 and Shera, i think are spot on. how is it, that you don't see what they are saying?
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That is not how it worked,the law was one,it was a system.
gal 5;3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law
The covenant was not just about that, the covenant was actually a marriage contract, between G-d and the people he choose. So according to your understanding are the Jews no longer his chosen people? The prophets tell us he divorced Israel (the kingdom of, the ones that were scattered among the gentiles) but he did not divorce her sister, Judah. So does that mean when Jesus died he divorced Judah? Some think so.The old cov was abolished.The cov contained the laws.
Hebrews 10:
then he added, See, I have come to do your will. He abolishes the first in order to establish the second.
More on the 10.WRITTEN IN STONE.
7 Now if the ministry of death, chiselled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside,
11for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent come in glory!
From what I understand, a lot of non-Christian religions have a form of the "golden rule"Jesus said, "Treat others the same way you want to be treated, for this is the Law." That sounds like an entirely different covenant to me; not the reinstitution of the same old one.
Can you make any legitimate arguments without using Paul?How can we keep sopmething,that was put in place to increase the trespass,as we see it did in Rom 7?
Paul was talking about the 10 commandment.
I would agreemwood30 and Shera, i think are spot on. how is it, that you don't see what they are saying?
So since it was given to the Jews, called the Oracles of G-d, then only they were lawless? The heathens/gentiles worshipping every demonic manifestation of false deities were lawful??? Doesn't make sense does it?
About about this, Adam was made without sin. G-d gave him one commandment. Did he give this commandment because Adam was lawless? Or did he give it because he is G-d and has the right to require certain behavior from his creation?
Which Hebrew word for "word" do you refer to? Dabar or imrah. Whichever, neither word is used interchangeably with "law". Dabar is the word most often used when scripture says "the word of the Lord".In Psalm 119, the word, "Word" is used interchangeably with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "statutes," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies." (Courtesy of Dr.R.C. Sproul)
God's Word is many things, including Jesus. His word put forth the Mosaic Law for the Jews but not for the Gentiles. There would be a law at work for the Gentiles but not the Mosaic Law.GOD'S WORD IS HIS LAW.
Yes and he was talking to the Jews.When Jesus gave us The Two Greatest Commandments, He was quoting the law:
"Then on of them which was a lawyer, asked Him a question, tempting Him, and saying, Master which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. This is the first and great commandment. (Deut 6:5) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:35-40.
Romans is addressed first to the Jew and then later to the Gentiles. Those outside the Law are the Gentiles who were not given the Law.The Apostle Paul wrote, "For as many as have sinned without law, shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Rom 2:12,13.
The Law is holy but is that what we want as our justification? The Mosaic Law or the law of the Spirit in Jesus Christ?"Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good...For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal sold under sin...If then I do that which I would not, I consent that the law is good...For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity which is in my members...I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." Rom 7:12-27.
That is correct. Do you want to be judged by the Mosaic Law or do you rather want to be judged by the law of freedom?"For whosoever shall keep the whole law and offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For He that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." Ja 2:10,11.
Not sure why you left out verse 6, which I inserted in the verses that you gave, above."Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of good conscience, and of faith unfeigned. Some people have deviated from these and turned to meaningless talk, Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm." 1 Tim 1:5-7.
Amen, we keep the commandments which he gave to those who live by faith, which are not the Mosaic Law."Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.
Where is this thread and question? Leave a link.On another thread,I asked for a list of the commandments some people dont keep..
I got no reply,which leads me to think they are keeping the entire Mosaic law?
Now if people want to walk in the law of Christ,which is Love God and neighbor..that is great.
Paul differentiated between the Mosaic,and that of Christ in Gal 6,and 1 cor 9.
Unless of course I get a list some time today.
Soooo..who is keeping all the commands?
Just go back and read the whole thing, that is all I ask before anybody starts telling me how wrong I am.
There is nearly three years worth of pure research in this article I wrote.
God Bless
Till all are one.
So since it was given to the Jews, called the Oracles of G-d, then only they were lawless? The heathens/gentiles worshipping every demonic manifestation of false deities were lawful??? Doesn't make sense does it?
About about this, Adam was made without sin. G-d gave him one commandment. Did he give this commandment because Adam was lawless? Or did he give it because he is G-d and has the right to require certain behavior from his creation?
I know you are only repeating what Paul says, but does that jive with what I posted? What is in Genesis. Let's not get off track with what happened afterwards. You are repeating that paul said the law was made for the lawless.I'm only saying what Paul said, "the law is made for the lawless" I dont question the scripture but go with it and add to my learning through other scripture but I try not to wrestle with it, I accept it.
What was the commandment? But dont eat from that tree of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL... wheres the knowledge of sin come from?
I dont see God telling Adam he needed to know what good or evil was. Wasnt what they had good before that tree?
Besides they were naked before they even ate from that tree (just not aware of it or ashamed of it) that tree exposed what they already were (naked). What do you think that tree signifies?
I know you are only repeating what Paul says, but does that jive with what I posted? What is in Genesis. Let's not get off track with what happened afterwards. You are repeating that paul said the law was made for the lawless.
I believe that every perfect and good thing comes from G-d, not Paul or any other human being. So if something someone says does not jive with the Words given directly from G-d then see if that jives with what G-d said and if not I need to question it.
It's not important what G-d told Adam about that tree or didn't tell him, he told him to not eat from it. He could eat from every other tree, except that one. He did not listen, he disobeyed. But the point I was trying to make is that he was not lawless, he was not given a law because he was lawless , yet still a law was given to him. G-d didn't have to explain why, just like he doesn't have to explain why he gives us any other laws. He is G-d that is 'why'.
If you do not keep The Ten Commandment Covenant, you will perish in the lake of fire:
The post you are responding to was just referencing 1 Timothy 1:9 NASB: "law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless"
That's all. And I don't think 1 Timothy 1:9 is non-sensical.
10 As it is written * , There is none righteous, no, not one:
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away .
The First Covenant was cut with animals blood, it was administered by the Levitical Priesthood. The same covenant called 'New' was instituted with the blood of a sinless man, Jesus. It is administered through the Spirit by a Righteous, clean and Holy sinless Priest, Jesus.
The covenant was not just about that, the covenant was actually a marriage contract, between G-d and the people he choose. So according to your understanding are the Jews no longer his chosen people? The prophets tell us he divorced Israel (the kingdom of, the ones that were scattered among the gentiles) but he did not divorce her sister, Judah. So does that mean when Jesus died he divorced Judah? Some think so.
The Tree of Life represents Jesus and the Tree of Knowledge represents the Law. One can eat of the Tree of life(Jesus) and live forever while the Tree of Knowledge(Law) brings death.It's not important what G-d told Adam about that tree or didn't tell him, he told him to not eat from it.
2 Cor. 3:
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
We as believers in the redeeming blood of Christ are under a much glorious covenant. The tablets of stone (the 10 Commandments given to Israel) have passed away. The good news is that we are under the ministry of the Spirit.
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