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Your making strawman arguments dear friend...
And you are being derisively accusatory without warrant. Please correct and amend this practice if you wish to continue.Your kind of all over the place here dear friend my...
Yes, but the specified context of the discussion was the Law of Moses and the prophets and the Law of Moses and prophets is written. Abraham precedes the written word. That's why I cited him. So my inquiry was not, in fact, answered or addressed.Which was replied with.. Before the written Word of God there was the spoken Word of God...
If Yahshua is the living Torah...Then believe in Him...tell him to come into your heart and lead you to him...LOL!
(CLV) Jn 14:6
Jesus is saying to him, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one is coming to the Father except through Me.
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THE WAY
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(CLV) Ex 18:20
You will warn them with the statutes and the laws and make known to them the way in which they shall go and the deeds which they shall do.
(CLV) Dt 10:12
And now, Israel, what is Yahweh your Elohim asking of you, save to fear Yahweh your Elohim, to walk in all His ways, to love Him and to serve Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul,
(CLV) Jos 22:5
But observe meticulously to keep the instruction and the law that M woses the servant of Yahweh enjoined on you: to love Yahweh your Elohim and to walk in all His ways, to observe His instructions, to cling to Him and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.
(CLV) 1Ki 2:3
You will keep the charge of Yahweh your Elohim to walk in His ways, to observe His statutes and His instructions, His ordinances and His testimonies as written in the law of Moses, so that you may act intelligently in all that you do and everywhere that you turn around,
(CLV) Ps 119:1
Happy are those whose way is flawless, Who are walking in the law of Yahweh.
(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,
(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.
(CLV) Mal 2:8
Yet you withdraw from the way. You cause many to stumble at the law. You ruin the covenant of Levi, says Yahweh of hosts.
(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,
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THE TRUTH
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(CLV) Ps 119:142
Your righteousness is eonian righteousness, And Your law is truth.
(CLV) Mal 2:6
The law of truth, it came to be in his mouth, and iniquity, it was not found on his lips. In peace and in uprightness he walked with Me, and turned many back from depravity.
(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,
(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."
(CLV) Ro 2:20
a discipliner of the imprudent, a teacher of minors, having the form of knowledge and the truth in the law.
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THE LIFE
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(CLV) Jb 33:30
To restore his soul from the pit, To enlighten him with the light of the living.
(CLV) Ps 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life; In Your light shall we see light.
(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life
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THE LIGHT
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(CLV) Jn 8:12
Again, then, Jesus speaks to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world. He who is following Me should under no circumstances be walking in darkness, but will be having the light of life."
(CLV) Jb 24:13
They are among those revolting against the light; They neither recognize its ways Nor dwell in its tracks.
(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.
(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,
(CLV) Isa 51:4
Attend to Me, My people, And, My folk, give ear to Me! For a law shall go forth from Me, And My judgment for a light of the peoples.
(CLV) 2Co 6:14
Do not become diversely yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness? Or what communion has light with darkness?
(CLV) 1Jn 1:7
Yet if we should be walking in the light as He is in the light, we are having fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, is cleansing us from every sin.
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THE WORD
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(CLV) Jn 1:14
And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.
(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,
(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."
(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.
Yahshua is the living Torah!
If we walk in his ways; we walk in the Torah.
Hello LGW, yes Jesus is the living Word of God. So let us hear him from his own breath..love one another... that's all because the one who love knows God and God lives in them. Simple...even an ordinary man can understand it and follow it.
That would be the exact opposite of what I posted. Paul argued all men know of God. Furthermore, scripture as a whole tells us there are at least five ways to know of God:Actually the scriptures your providing do not say or support the idea anywhere that I can see that a knowledge of God's LAW is not required to understand what sin is.
Then focus on that Love...ask these questions; where can I find it? How can I find it? Then you will start a new journey to find it.Indeed dear friend, he also says on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. Love is not separated from God's LAW it is the power of God written in the heart to establish and fulfill God's LAW in all those who believe God's Word *HEBREWS 8:10; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12; 1 JOHN 5:3-4; ROMANS 3:31.
God bless
@KaonOh goodness. Scripture please.. you mean God never wanted a King?
Man will always be obligated to be righteous/obedient. This hasn't changed under the New Covenant. The matter is all about how that is achieved, with God, or without Him, which turns out to be impossible. The New Covenant is all about something new: establishing relationship/communion with God. This is essentially a union that Adam dismissed and rejected, and the union that we're to now come to embrace as we become reconciled with God again.This is not really controversial Christian theology, but the theology of Christ and His apostles. I'm placing it here in this forum because of the threads that MAY bring those who belong to Christ back under bondage to the Law, if those who belong to Christ are not wide awake to them.
Exo 24:3 "And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD has said will we do."
Exo 24:7-8 "And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.
And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD has made with you concerning all these words."
The elect had to make a promise of value in that covenant, therefore it was considered God's marriage-contract with Israel, and God (the "husband") promised Israel abundance of blessing in the land IF they obeyed ALL that God had commanded though Moses - but curses and exile from the land if they disobeyed - and because they are incapable of obeying, all that the law brings is curses and death.
Also, a marriage covenant is only "everlasting" until the 'wife' breaks the covenant, and as God said through Jeremiah, the "wife" had broken the covenant:
Both the ten Northern tribes and the tribe of Judah continuously broke the covenant, but in His mercy God promised a New Covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah which would NOT BE ACCORDING to the covenant He made with them at Sinai:
Jer 31:31-32 "Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, says the LORD."
"Though I was a husband unto them" is the same as saying that though God remained faithful to His vows, the "wife" had continuously been unfaithful, and had therefore broken the covenant - and so their new moons, sabbaths and feasts became utterly distasteful to God, to the point that God even calls Israel "Sodom and Gomorrah":
Isa 1:10-14 "Hear the word of the LORD, all of you rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, all of you people of Gomorrah.
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? says the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
When all of you come to appear before me, who has required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."
UNFIT FOR PURPOSE:
The Covenant God made with Israel "in the day He took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt" had proved unfit for purpose in two ways:
1. It was unfit for purpose in terms of God having an everlasting covenant relationship with His elect; and
2. It was unfit for purpose to bring life and righteousness to God's elect:
Rom 7:12-14: "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin."
The Law and the covenant at Sinai was unfit for purpose not because God was not faithful and capable, but because His elect were neither faithful nor capable.
THE TWO COVENANTS RATIFIED BY BLOOD - THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT
Blood has to do with sacrifice for sins and forgiveness for sins. The first covenant, given at Sinai, was ratified with blood:
Exo 24:8 "And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD has made with you concerning all these words."
Likewise the New Covenant was ratified by blood - but not with the blood of bulls and goats - with Christ's blood:
Mat 26:28 "For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
FOREVER
The New Covenant is everlasting, the old covenant is gone:
Heb 8:13 "In that he says, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away."
COMMANDMENTS IN THE LAW WHICH CONTAINED THE WORDS "EVERLASTING" AND "FOREVER"
.. are done away with and cease to exist - BECAUSE THEY WERE BROKEN BY THE PEOPLE AND THE COVENANT WHICH WAS BASED UPON THEM HAS BEEN REPLACED.
INSULTING THE BLOOD OF THE EVERLASTING COVENANT
It's an insult to God the Father and His Messiah who is Christ the Lord to seek to keep alive commandments (such as sabbath-keeping) which are part of the Old Covenant and have been done away with because the "wife" broke the covenant.
When God used the words "everlasting" and "forever" when He gave the Law and its commandments to His elect at Sinai, it's because HE was faithful and capable of keeping HIS vows - and IF (ONLY IF) the "wife" in that marriage-covenant had remained obedient and faithful, would that covenant INCLUDING ALL ITS COMMANDMENTS UPON WHICH IT WAS BASED, have remained "everlasting" and "forever".
So to the question: "Whatever happened to forever?" - those who belong to Christ know the answer - "forever" and "everlasting" in that covenant's commandments WAS BROKEN BY THE PEOPLE, and so the entire covenant needed replacing.
God would NEVER have first promised the New Covenant and Christ would NOT have come to shed His blood as a remission of sins if that covenant and those commandments were fit for purpose - but they are NOT fit for purpose.
Jesus said:
John 13:34 " A new commandment I give unto you, That all of you love one another; as I have loved you, that all of you also love one another."
He said,
Matt 22:40 "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets:
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself."
Paul said,
Rom 13:9-10 "For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
NOT A LICENSE TO SIN
DEAD TO THE LAW
Rom 7:6 "But now we having been set free from the Law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of the letter."
THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST HAVE DIED TO THE LAW BECAUSE CHRIST ABOLISHED IT IN HIS FLESH WHEN HE DIED:
Eph 2:15 "Having abolished in His flesh the enmity (the Law of commandments contained in ordinances) so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, making peace between them;"
DEAD TO SIN:
Rom 6:1-4 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know all of you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
So the apostle John could write,
1John 2:1-3 "My little children, I write these things to you so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He is the propitiation concerning our sins, and not concerning ours only, but also concerning the sins of all the world.
And by this we know that we have known Him, if we keep His commandments."
WHICH COMMANDMENTS?
1. LOVE THE BRETHREN
John 13:34 " A new commandment I give unto you, That all of you love one another; as I have loved you, that all of you also love one another."
2. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR
Matt 19:17-19 "And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.
He said to Him, Which?
Jesus said, You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, honor your father and mother, and, you shall love your neighbor as yourself."
IT'S JUST AS PAUL LATER SAID,
Paul said,
Rom 13:9-10 "For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
3. LOVE YOUR ENEMIES (IT'S PART OF LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR)
Matt 5:43-44 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you, so that you may become sons of your Father in Heaven. For He makes His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."
HOW DO WE KEEP THESE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST?
Jesus told us how:
John 15:4-6 "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered. And they gather and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
AGAIN, IT'S JUST AS PAUL LATER SAID,
Phil 2:13 "For it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure."
Turning away from grace back to the Law and commandments of Moses will cause you to fall from grace:
John 1:17 "For the law came through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."
JESUS REPRESENTS US BEFORE GOD, AND HE PERFECTLY OBEYED THE LAW OF MOSES AND ITS COMMANDMENTS ON OUR BEHALF - BECAUSE GOD'S ELECT WAS INCAPABLE OF OBEYING THEM, AND BROKE THE COVENANT.
THE LAWS OF MOSES AND THEIR COMMANDMENTS ARE FOREVER UNFIT FOR PURPOSE. CHRIST'S BLOOD AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD ARE FOREVER FIT FOR PURPOSE.
@Kaon
ISRAEL ASKED FOR THE LAW; IT WAS NOT GOD'S FIRST CHOICE
There were roughly three types of covenant in Moses' era. First, a Grant Covenant which is between a greater and a lesser party where the greater takes on all the obligations while the lesser simply receives the covenant. Second, a Kinship Covenant is between two equal parties such as a marriage where each party has a small set of obligations (also called a parity covenant). Third, a Vassal Covenant where the greater one's ability to destroy the lesser forces the lesser into slavery, tribute etc. (also called a suzerain covenant). -- To learn more just look up each of these on wikipedia.
When a covenant was made between two parties they would write and sign the covenant and it would be legal and binding. Over the time the covenant existed they would add a canon; that is the history of how the two parties walked together in covenant through things such as poetry, music, art etc. This is all in the history.
Because the Mosaic Covenant had obligations from both parties -- the Israelites as one party and God as the other, it most resembles a Kinship Covenant (see here for further reading, slightly off topic but helpful). But due to Israel's inability to remain faithful it morphed into a Vassal Covenant.
The canon of scripture for the Kinship Mosaic Covenant is quite large, it includes Exodus; Numbers; Leviticus and the canon for the Vassal Mosaic Covenant is recorded in Deuteronomy (please go and look into all of this yourself). Because the Kinship Mosaic canon is so long I'll skip over Exodus 1-18 and begin at Mount Sinai. [Note that there was a minimum of 2900 years prior to the Law being given, while the time between Moses and Jesus was around 1300 years. Thus there was twice as long a time without the law than with the law before Jesus. Another thing to remember is how Paul says the Law kills in 2 Corinthians 3:6 which we see in the pattern of death and punishment following Exodus 19 and 20 that did not exist beforehand.]
With that extremely brief prelude out of the way, let's get into the heart of the matter. Before the Kinship Covenant, God initiated a Grant Covenant:
"Then Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the descendants of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”” (Exodus 19:3-6)
God offered divine protection and everyone would have access to God as priests. Wisely the people responded:
" “We will do everything the Lord has said.” " (Exodus 19:8)
In Exodus 19:9-13 God explains how to prepare for the covenant ceremony. Following this God descended on the mountain and spoke with Moses. But we are only getting part of the story. The rest of the story is recorded in Deuteronomy 5. I encourage you to read Exodus 19 and Deuteronomy 5 beside each other a few times to really see what's going on here. Most important is Deuteronomy 5:23-27:
When you heard the voice out of the darkness, while the mountain was ablaze with fire, all the leaders of your tribes and your elders came to me. And you said, “The Lord our God has shown us his glory and his majesty, and we have heard his voice from the fire. Today we have seen that a person can live even if God speaks with them. But now, why should we die? This great fire will consume us, and we will die if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any longer. For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? Go near and listen to all that the Lord our God says. Then tell us whatever the Lord our God tells you. We will listen and obey.”
The people got scared and didn't want to go near God. They asked Moses to go near and have God tell Moses so that they can listen to Moses and obey. Their slave-minded fear desired rules over relationship. They desired Laws to follow rather than being priests to God. Moses remained the mediator between them and God so they could no longer be priests of a Grant Covenant. Instead they wanted the Kinship Covenant and rules to follow.
The giving of the Ten Commandments is a Kinship Ceremony. Rather than God making every person a priest, a holy nation, and a treasured posession it is the record of a Kinship Ceremony. Anyone in the ancient world would have understood this to be a shift from Grant to Kinship. God's first priority was a Grant Covenant. But Israel, out of fear, desired a Kinship Covenant so they didn't need to go near God.
Because God never wanted the law, the people did.
@Kaon
ISRAEL ASKED FOR THE LAW; IT WAS NOT GOD'S FIRST CHOICE
There were roughly three types of covenant in Moses' era. First, a Grant Covenant which is between a greater and a lesser party where the greater takes on all the obligations while the lesser simply receives the covenant. Second, a Kinship Covenant is between two equal parties such as a marriage where each party has a small set of obligations (also called a parity covenant). Third, a Vassal Covenant where the greater one's ability to destroy the lesser forces the lesser into slavery, tribute etc. (also called a suzerain covenant). -- To learn more just look up each of these on wikipedia.
When a covenant was made between two parties they would write and sign the covenant and it would be legal and binding. Over the time the covenant existed they would add a canon; that is the history of how the two parties walked together in covenant through things such as poetry, music, art etc. This is all in the history.
Because the Mosaic Covenant had obligations from both parties -- the Israelites as one party and God as the other, it most resembles a Kinship Covenant (see here for further reading, slightly off topic but helpful). But due to Israel's inability to remain faithful it morphed into a Vassal Covenant.
The canon of scripture for the Kinship Mosaic Covenant is quite large, it includes Exodus; Numbers; Leviticus and the canon for the Vassal Mosaic Covenant is recorded in Deuteronomy (please go and look into all of this yourself). Because the Kinship Mosaic canon is so long I'll skip over Exodus 1-18 and begin at Mount Sinai. [Note that there was a minimum of 2900 years prior to the Law being given, while the time between Moses and Jesus was around 1300 years. Thus there was twice as long a time without the law than with the law before Jesus. Another thing to remember is how Paul says the Law kills in 2 Corinthians 3:6 which we see in the pattern of death and punishment following Exodus 19 and 20 that did not exist beforehand.]
With that extremely brief prelude out of the way, let's get into the heart of the matter. Before the Kinship Covenant, God initiated a Grant Covenant:
"Then Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the descendants of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”” (Exodus 19:3-6)
God offered divine protection and everyone would have access to God as priests. Wisely the people responded:
" “We will do everything the Lord has said.” " (Exodus 19:8)
In Exodus 19:9-13 God explains how to prepare for the covenant ceremony. Following this God descended on the mountain and spoke with Moses. But we are only getting part of the story. The rest of the story is recorded in Deuteronomy 5. I encourage you to read Exodus 19 and Deuteronomy 5 beside each other a few times to really see what's going on here. Most important is Deuteronomy 5:23-27:
When you heard the voice out of the darkness, while the mountain was ablaze with fire, all the leaders of your tribes and your elders came to me. And you said, “The Lord our God has shown us his glory and his majesty, and we have heard his voice from the fire. Today we have seen that a person can live even if God speaks with them. But now, why should we die? This great fire will consume us, and we will die if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any longer. For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? Go near and listen to all that the Lord our God says. Then tell us whatever the Lord our God tells you. We will listen and obey.”
The people got scared and didn't want to go near God. They asked Moses to go near and have God tell Moses so that they can listen to Moses and obey. Their slave-minded fear desired rules over relationship. They desired Laws to follow rather than being priests to God. Moses remained the mediator between them and God so they could no longer be priests of a Grant Covenant. Instead they wanted the Kinship Covenant and rules to follow.
The giving of the Ten Commandments is a Kinship Ceremony. Rather than God making every person a priest, a holy nation, and a treasured posession it is the record of a Kinship Ceremony. Anyone in the ancient world would have understood this to be a shift from Grant to Kinship. God's first priority was a Grant Covenant. But Israel, out of fear, desired a Kinship Covenant so they didn't need to go near God.
When did humans develop the audacity to believe the Most High works for us?
So the idea of us asking for law is absurd considering we already had it on our hearts.
What a load of nonsese. Please show me a single scripture where ISRAEL asked for the law and it was not God's first choice? There is not one single scripture that you have provided in this long winded post here that says the giving of God's 10 commandments was was not God's choice and the result of ISRAEL asking for it.
"...you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation." (Exodus 19:6)
"For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have?" (Deuteronomy 5:26)
"Go near and listen to all that the Lord our God says. Then tell us whatever the Lord our God tells you. We will listen and obey.” (Deuteronomy 5:27)
Did Israel become a kingdom of priests and a holy nation? Or did Moses alone become the mediator?
Yes ISRAEL is all those who believe and follow God's Word in the new covenant. As posted earlier you have no scripture do you. Please show me a single scripture where ISRAEL asked for the law and it was not God's first choice? - there is no scripture.
If you'd read the post properly you would have seen that it was the people who reneged on their agreements, and so the covenant was broken.Why would the Most High renege on His agreements? Why would the Most High make law "unfit" for man?
Yes, Jesus often refers to the Law of Moses, because He was under the Law of Moses - but He sums all the law up for us as follows:Good op but awfully long. Spotty in a couple of places but overall good.
What do you do with the facts a) nearly everything Jesus taught can be found in the OT, and b) the epistolary repeatably and often appeals to the Law of Moses?
Hebrews 10:8
In the passage above He says, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor did You delight in them” (although they are offered according to the law).
If God "did not desire" the things He Himself wrote into the Law, why are they there?
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