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I'm beginning to think you not only suffer from Grandiosity, but from Paranoia.
And I'm the Emperor of Canada.
-CryptoLutheran
No, just repost the specific scriptures about all of the other beasts other than the 2 beast system of Rev 13 all being worshipped, their image and people receiving marks from them. And not your assumptions, scriptures pointing these facts out.Do you now pretend I must RE-POST all the Scriptures that you INTENTIONALLY IGNORED?
These are the scriptures I'm talking about. Please post them or repost them since you claim you already have where it specifically states there is an image to be worshipped and people getting a mark with each of these.I have already told you that, during the Jewish "Beast" there was an "Image" and a "Mark".
I have already told you that, during the Christian "Beast" there was an "Image" and a "Mark"
Meaning you have the specific scriptures and not assumptions. Then provide so I can see them.I can say these things because (1) they are Biblically valid
I've yet to see scriptures to support the claims above.I have been posting SCRIPTURES to support everything I say.
I posted straight up scripture showing that the beast from Rev 20 is the very same beast that is thrown into the LOF when Christ returns. You then denied that scripture.On the other hand, you have not offered ONE VERSE that contradicts anything I said.
I give that claim right back to you. Post the scriptures.If you want to be taken seriously then offer Scripture
No, just repost the specific scriptures about all of the other beasts other than the 2 beast system of Rev 13 all being worshipped, their image and people receiving marks from them. And not your assumptions, scriptures pointing these facts out.
Just as I thought- not one scripture. Meaning you can't be taken seriously.As to posting Scriptures showing the (2nd) Jewish "Beast" and the (3rd) Christian "Beast"
having an "Image" and having a "mark", we see in Rev 20:4 those in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom
who did NOT worship the "Image" or take the "mark".
Thanks but I'll stick with Christ's teachings.I will TEACH you what "Image" and "Mark" represent AFTER we agree on what the "Beasts" represents.
That is fair enough - why TEACH you more when you have not even agreed to the meaning of each "Beast"?
Rev 20:4 is clearly talking about the two beast system of Rev 13 as well as being the same beast that is thrown into the LOF in 19 when Christ returns. Some of us have posted those scriptures which indicated this but you continue to deny them. Context matters. And you have shown nothing that proves there is more than one image being worshipped, more than one mark, etc.
Thanks but I'll stick with Christ's teachings.
Thanks but I'll stick with Christ's teachings.
Thanks but I'll stick with Christ's teachings.
There are two "Beasts" in Rev 13 because the Fourth Beast, the Great Tribulation Beast, consists of
TWO "woes" and TWO Trumpet Judgments and TWO Beasts - shown as the 7th "head/king" and the 8th "head/king".
Both the "wise and foolish virgins" worshipped the First Beast (7th "head/king") but ONLY the "foolish virgins" worshipped
the Second Revelation Beast (8th "head/king")
Rev_17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
The "wise virgins" and the "foolish virgins" are separated HERE:
Mat 25:8-10
And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell,
and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready [the wise virgins]
went in with him to the marriage: AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT.
They are also separated Here and Here and Here and Here:
(2) In Revelation 18 the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2] as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen".
The "Final Harvest" of “Wise Virgins”, immediately before the destruction of Babylon, is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands
the Last Saints to "Come out of her, My people". And the Last Saints are told [v.20] to "rejoice"
over the destruction of Babylon for "God hath avenged you on her".
(3) In Revelation 19 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the False Prophet and Revelations Beast are
"cast alive" into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest" immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17] to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of the Great God”.
Then [v.9] the "Final Harvest" is shown when the Saints are "called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb".
Again we see, [v.2] when God destroys the Kingdom of "Babylon" He also "hath avenged the blood of His servants".
This FULFILLS a promise God made to earlier Saints – in completion of the Fifth Seal [Rev 6:9-11]. This is important!
(4) In Revelation 11 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a "great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest"
is shown [v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud".
Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast. However, this time,
the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIMING of this event – it is just before the end of the "Second Woe"... that is important.
(5) In Daniel 7 the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11] when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest" of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High shall
take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever, even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.22] when "Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High; and the time came that the Saints possessed the
Kingdom". In Daniel 7 the Bible actually reveals the NAME of this period on earth after the "Final Harvest",
after destruction of the Fourth Beast. The Bible [Dan 7:11-12] specifically names this period the "Season and Time".
Here we see the “Time-of-the-End” is also shown as the “Season and Time” after the Fourth Beast is destroyed.4
As to posting Scriptures showing the (2nd) Jewish "Beast" and the (3rd) Christian "Beast"
having an "Image" and having a "mark", we see in Rev 20:4 those in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom
who did NOT worship the "Image" or take the "mark".
The people in Rev 20:4 lived WHILE Satan was "bound" for 1000 yearss.
The people in Rev 13 lived AFTER Satan is "loosened" for his "Little Season" (Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation)
Just knowing WHEN Satan is "bound" (at the Cross) and WHEN Satan is "loosened" (the END of the Great Commission)
establishes the people in Rev 20:4 are people from the (3rd) Christian Beast and NOT from the (4th) Great Tribulation Beast.
Can you discern the DIFFENCE between living WHILE Satan is "bound" and living AFTER he is released?
Does your "gospel" explain this DIFFERENCE? If not... then why not?
You need to amend your "gospel" to explain the DIFFERENCE.
However... you must be able to DEFINE the meaning of those terms BEFORE you can pretend
to be qualified or capable of offering an "informed opinion" on this matter...
Do you know WHAT the term "Beast" represents?
Do you know WHAT the term "Image" represents?
Do you know WHAT the term "Mark" represents?
I will TEACH you what "Image" and "Mark" represent AFTER we agree on what the "Beasts" represents.
That is fair enough - why TEACH you more when you have not even agreed to the meaning of each "Beast"?
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you were to provide Scripture, not assumptions, proving what you allege.
So, where are the Scriptures that undeniably prove that by coming out and plainly saying it, the same way it plainly says those things in Revelation 13 pertaining to an image and a mark,
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand
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When someone has an exagerated view of themselves they are unlikely to be receptive to a meaningful exchange of ideas and to the possibility that they might need correction.
It is far worse when someone is drunk on their own self-importance. If one considers themselves a prophet, a messenger, a great teacher, or whatever; if they consider themselves to be the dispenser of knowledge, wisdom, and teaching because they are unique in that regard, and others are not, then they will always regard all disagreements as the words of the unenlightened or unspiritual; and will never regard even the possibility of they themselves needing to be corrected.
Such is not the way of the Christian. For the Lord Christ Himself has said, "The rulers of the Gentiles lord over them, it shall not be so with you."
No man is above reproach. In the Holy Church all are accountable, especially those who teach and preach. For this reason the Scriptures say, "Not many of you should be teachers" for there is a harsher judgment for those who are in a position of teaching the flock of Christ.
So if any comes claiming secrets or mysteries, why should Christ's lambs take heed? We have already our One Shepherd whose voice is laid forth for us already, and His sheep hear His voice.
-CryptoLutheran
Discernment of scriptures comes from the Holy Spirit,5thKingdom said:
Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching..
No one can deny you post plenty of scripture. Just not the scriptures that you were asked to provide that proves more than one beast system had an image made and worshipped, a mark imposed on the people, etc. You still have not provided one.Did I not provide Scriptures?
You're joking right? We are talking about the mark of the beast. And the image that was worshipped. The image that was not worshipped and the mark that was not received by that those beheaded in Rev 20:4Eze_9:4-6
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem,
and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done
in the midst thereof. Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man
upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
Still not one scripture that proves this claim. Where are the scriptures that specifically point out the image and mark for the Jewish? The image and mark for the Christian? We already know what Rev 13 lays out which coincides with the rest of scripture. Even mystery babylon refers to the beast system of 13.Not only was there an "Image" and "mark" in EACH Kingdom...
Jewish, Christian and Great Tribulation
Most of us already know this. So why would you post the Ez scriptures as proof for another the beast/image that is worshipped and a mark that is placed upon people. A mark that without it people cannot buy or sell. The bible clearly lays out this only happens at one point in time but you have implied more than one beast has that very same system.There is also a "mark" of those belonging to God
and a "mark" of those belonging to Satan
In Revelation 7 this "mark" is called a "seal"
Discernment of scriptures comes from the Holy Spirit,
there's no "my Gospel"
Understanding both worldly and spiritually come from GOD,
there's no room to boast at all.
Most of us already know this. So why would you post the Ez scriptures as proof for another the beast/image that is worshipped and a mark that is placed upon people. A mark that without it people cannot buy or sell. The bible clearly lays out this only happens at one point in time but you have implied more than one beast has that very same system.
We asked for scriptures that specifically states that and you have not provided one.
Why do you keep calling it "my Gospel" as though you have a gospel that's yours?Let me know when you are ready to say WHAT the Scriptures teach in Dan 12
Until then you have nothing to say. You cannot refute my Gospel
and you have no idea what the Scriptures are teaching...
or you have an idea (I told you) and you don't like it.
I understand
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Why do you keep calling it "my Gospel" as though you have a gospel that's yours?
The only Gospel is God's Gospel -
and it has nothing to do with any prediction regarding the end of the kingdoms of fallen man. It has only to do with our salvation in Christ and through faith in Him. God's gospel is all about Jesus - and it has nothing to do with your opinions regarding what it is that the wise shall understand written about in Daniel 12.
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