The last judgement

[The Righterzpen]

It seems that you're playing with the definition of words.

Jesus does judge the righteous, he says to them "'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'", this is a favourable judgement.

I wouldn't call that a "favorable judgement" seeing how it was preordained to come to pass of God's own sovereign will.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Compare this to Hebrews 42-4
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Because the Holy Spirit is the one working through believers; they aren't "judged favorably" for their obedience because God is the one causing that obedience. Obedience is the evidence of redemption, not the prerequisite to.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I wouldn't call that a "favorable judgement" seeing how it was preordained to come to pass of God's own sovereign will.

You mean to say that, that which is preordained is not judgement? That's an unusual way to view things. Do you regard condemning judgements as preordained?

 

[hedrick]

I’m not convinced that there is a single, definite description of just what happens after death. Luke, at least, seems to envision an intermediate state, both in the story of Lazarus, and Jesus’ promise to the good thief. Both of these are specific to Luke. But Luke 14:14 reflects the idea that only the redeemed are resurrected. After lots of debates on eschatology, my conclusion is that there were varying views, and this is reflected in the NT, even within a single author.

 

[The Righterzpen]

You mean to say that, that which is preordained is not judgement? That's an unusual way to view things. Do you regard condemning judgements as preordained?

The "judgement aspect" of those preordained to redemption fell on Christ. And since that is the case; those He paid for are no longer subject to judgement because He already answered for them. In theological terms this is called "substitutionary atonement".

Condemning judgements are only "preordained' in the sense that the condemned weren't preordained to election.

But as far as the penalty for their actions; God did not preordain their actions. Their actions are a result of choices they made as fallen sinners. Humanity; (as opposed to fallen angels) still bears some capacity to make morally right decisions even in a fallen state. This is how people are accountable for their sin.

But that's the difference between "the law" (which can only point one to Christ as the need for the Redeemer) and the redemption plan. The sin of the elect has already been atoned for. The sin of the non-elect has not been.

Now I do believe there is Scriptural evidence that there are indeed people Christ atoned for who've never heard of Him. There's entire civilizations who've come and gone without ever being exposed to written Scripture or the verbal proclamation of the gospel. And there were individuals within those societies who honestly obeyed their conscience and the witness of the creation they'd been given; which obviously had also come to pass in their lives on account of the influence of the Holy Spirit.

Now who the elect are and how many elect exist; only God knows.