The Last Battle Happens In America!

[1whirlwind]

I watched the Glen Beck show yesterday afternoon. If you're at all interested in today's events please tune in this week. He displayed a map of the middle east, showing how chaos is rapidly spreading...on to Europe and Great Britain! In seeing Jerusalem, as a David compassed with giants, it made me think of....

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
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As he gave scenarios for what could happen, of who goes where and who does what on a global scale, Beck asked "and where does Russia go?" To that point the United States and Russia had not been mentioned. He didn't go beyond that question but...I shall:


Armageddon is a spiritual war, one being waged now but Gog is, I believe, literal! Where will it take place? America...Russia invading by way of Alaska.



Ezekiel 38:1-3 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

This speaks of Russia with it's "chief prince" being Moscow.
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38:4-6 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

It is God that fights this battle.

Today we see the alliance between Russia and Persia/Iran.
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38:7-8 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them. After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

We are the "land brought back from the sword," We are a nation of many people, both in number and in cultural makeup and....we dwell safely! We are Israel, the "house of Israel." If there is any question of this ask yourself...has the present nation of Israel, which is the "house of Judah," ever lived safely?
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38:9-12 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee. Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

Again...this describes America. We dwell safely, we don't have walled, protected villages, we are at rest, we are gathered out of many nations and we are wealthy..."gotten cattle and goods." This is NOT the nation of Israel.
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38:13-15 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil? Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

The merchants among us, our politicans, sell America to the world. Russia will come from "thy place out of the north parts." Look at a map...how close is Russia to America in the north parts?
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38:16-17 And thou shalt come up against My people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against My land, that the heathen may know Me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by My servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

God brings this about and God fights this battle for His purposes.
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38:18-20 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that My fury shall come up in My face. For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at My presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

"All the men that are upon the face of the earth," meaning this is world-wide. The battle happens here but the repercussions of this last great battle marks the end of this age.
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38:21-23 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all My mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify Myself, and sanctify Myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Brother against brother....Esau against Jacob...Russia against America.
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[Gnarwhal]

So, you're taking your eschatological cues from a man who doesn't even share the same faith? Hmm...

In Luke, Christ is expressing an event that would happen in the disciples times, just like 99% of the Scriptures in the New Testament describing 'future' events. From 68-70AD Vespasian was on the scene with Roman legions suppressing the Jewish revolt that began in 64AD, culminating in the burning and destruction of the temple just after Vespasian became emperor in 70.

 

[1whirlwind]

So, you're taking your eschatological cues from a man who doesn't even share the same faith? Hmm...

In Luke, Christ is expressing an event that would happen in the disciples times, just like 99% of the Scriptures in the New Testament describing 'future' events. From 68-70AD Vespasian was on the scene with Roman legions suppressing the Jewish revolt that began in 64AD, culminating in the burning and destruction of the temple just after Vespasian became emperor in 70.

You are greatly mistaken. But, it is your choice.


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[LovedofHim]

Whirlwind, it is wise to trust in scripture.

I know Arnold Murray tells you to reject Israel but don't reject what God actually says in His Word. You have a choice to make: trust Murray or trust God.

What country does gog invade, according to God:

8After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

16And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.


2And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
3And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand. 4Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Armageddon is a spiritual war, one being waged now but Gog is, I believe, literal! Where will it take place? America...Russia invading by way of Alaska.

We are the "land brought back from the sword," We are a nation of many people, both in number and in cultural makeup and....we dwell safely! We are Israel, the "house of Israel." If there is any question of this ask yourself...has the present nation of Israel, which is the "house of Judah," ever lived safely?
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Again...this describes America. We dwell safely, we don't have walled, protected villages, we are at rest, we are gathered out of many nations and we are wealthy..."gotten cattle and goods." This is NOT the nation of Israel.
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Nope, God is pretty exact. He knows the difference between Israel and America.

Gog dies 1000 years later. Ezekiel 38 and 39 happen at the end of the 1000 years.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Whirlwind, it is wise to trust in scripture.

Micah 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.
6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.
8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
9 Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counseller perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.
10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.
11 Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.
12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.
13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

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[Truth Files]

Murray teaches a brand of British/Israelism mixed with his serpent seed doctrine

Herbert W. Armstrong was his mentor on the idea that the USA is the 10 lost tribes of Israel and there is no Biblical support for this ruse whatsoever

Murray is an anti-Semite, racially biased militant and he uses the British/Israelism slant to support his political agenda

He is a known false prophet and false teacher who leads the cult of the Shephard's Chapel movement

 

[LovedofHim]

Nope, God is pretty exact. He knows the difference between Israel and America.

Gog dies 1000 years later. Ezekiel 38 and 39 happen at the end of the 1000 years.

Gog is the devil, a spiritual power that controls a certain part of the world, like the prince of persia in Daniel.

Ezek 38 and 39 occur when the Day of the Lord is beginning because it is when Israel is back in their land but still don't know their God. After gog's armies are destroyed, Israel is gathered and back in relationship with God.

When the devil is released at the end of the millenium, he stirs up the same people/nations/group as he did before. But Israel is in relationship with God for 1000 years at the time of this invasion.

 

[LovedofHim]

Murray teaches a brand of British/Israelism mixed with his serpent seed doctrine

Herbert W. Armstrong was his mentor on the idea that the USA is the 10 lost tribes of Israel and there is no Biblical support for this ruse whatsoever

Don't forget Murray's unscriptural teaching that Adam was a white guy and all other races were Pre-Adam and survived because they were allowed on the boat (in pairs) with the animals.

It's sickening.

 

[1whirlwind]

Isaiah 32:13 Upon the land of My people shall come up thorns and briers; yea, upon all the houses of joy in the joyous city:

Isaiah 5:6 And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

Isaiah 27:4 Fury is not in me: who would set the briers and thorns against me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them together.

Ezekiel 2:6 And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.



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[NightHawkeye]

Murray teaches a brand of British/Israelism mixed with his serpent seed doctrine

Herbert W. Armstrong was his mentor on the idea that the USA is the 10 lost tribes of Israel and there is no Biblical support for this ruse whatsoever

Murray is an anti-Semite, racially biased militant and he uses the British/Israelism slant to support his political agenda

He is a known false prophet and false teacher who leads the cult of the Shephard's Chapel movement

Don't forget Murray's unscriptural teaching that Adam was a white guy and all other races were Pre-Adam and survived because they were allowed on the boat (in pairs) with the animals.

It's sickening.

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Well, when ya run out of valid arguments on the subject matter, take the approach of lawyers and throw the book at an adversary. Let's look at how well that worked out for the lawyers ...

Luke 11:45 Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also. 46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers. 47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. 48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres. 49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: 50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. 52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
53 And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things: 54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.


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[Blackwater Babe]

Why on earth would the USA invade Russia?

I'd like a legitimate reason, please, not a bunch of utterly irrelevent Bible verses that don't mention anything remotely to do with either Russia, America or Alaska.

Thanks in advance...

 

[oneofchrists]

Why on earth would the USA invade Russia?

I'd like a legitimate reason, please, not a bunch of utterly irrelevent Bible verses that don't mention anything remotely to do with either Russia, America or Alaska.

Thanks in advance...

It was intended I believe that Russia is to invade the USA/ was that not what has been conveyed?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Why on earth would the USA invade Russia?

I'd like a legitimate reason, please, not a bunch of utterly irrelevent Bible verses that don't mention anything remotely to do with either Russia, America or Alaska.

Thanks in advance...

Ummh ..., your underlying premise is incorrect. The OP didn't say the USA would invade Russia. Instead ...

Armageddon is a spiritual war, one being waged now but Gog is, I believe, literal! Where will it take place? America...Russia invading by way of Alaska.
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The merchants among us, our politicans, sell America to the world. Russia will come from "thy place out of the north parts." Look at a map...how close is Russia to America in the north parts?

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... just trying to stick with the truth.


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[oneofchrists]

Why on earth would the USA invade Russia?

I'd like a legitimate reason, please, not a bunch of utterly irrelevent Bible verses that don't mention anything remotely to do with either Russia, America or Alaska.

Thanks in advance...

Was not the intention of the poster trying to convey that Russia was the invader and not the other way around?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Ah. I misread the OP.

OK... so why is Russia going to invade America then? Cold War's over guys, they're not the escatological go to guys any more. You need more of a reason than to just chant "Ruskies/commies" over and over.

And I won't even start on the fact that they don't have the military strength to even attempt it...

 

[oneofchrists]

It is the intent of the poster that it is the other way around!!

 

[oneofchrists]

Sorry about the Pete, Repeat and repeat again!!! Trouble with the internet.

 

[Gnarwhal]

You are greatly mistaken. But, it is your choice.


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Sure I am.

 

[1whirlwind]

Sure I am.

I'm glad you recognize it.


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