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I have noticed lately that discussions on the Lake of Fire is favoring those who think that the punishment is greater than the crime and that the Lake of Fire is actually a Lake of Love and people will get converted in the Lake of Love then they will be let into heaven or that the length of stay in the Lake of Fire will be short and ALL people who ever existed will end up in the Kingdom of God. The standard view is that the Lake of Fire (Gehenna) will be the eternal home of all those who hate God and a place where God's presence is totally missing.
So lets have some views on this keeping some of these scriptures and thoughts in mind.
Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For those who propose that humans will have a short stay in the fire does that include the devil and his angels? They have feelings also. They are God's created beings whom He loves even now.
Mat 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Mat 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.
If the Fire is a short stay why would have Jesus have you enter the Kingdom of God crippled than go to the Fire?
Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
This is 1000 earth years later and the beast and false prophet are still there and exactly how long is forever and ever?
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
comments?
Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
comments?
I have noticed lately that discussions on the Lake of Fire is favoring those who think that the punishment is greater than the crime and that the Lake of Fire is actually a Lake of Love and people will get converted in the Lake of Love then they will be let into heaven or that the length of stay in the Lake of Fire will be short and ALL people who ever existed will end up in the Kingdom of God. The standard view is that the Lake of Fire (Gehenna) will be the eternal home of all those who hate God and a place where God's presence is totally missing.
So lets have some views on this keeping some of these scriptures and thoughts in mind.
Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For those who propose that humans will have a short stay in the fire does that include the devil and his angels? They have feelings also. They are God's created beings whom He loves even now.
Mat 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Mat 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.
If the Fire is a short stay why would have Jesus have you enter the Kingdom of God crippled than go to the Fire?
Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
This is 1000 earth years later and the beast and false prophet are still there and exactly how long is forever and ever?
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
comments?
Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
comments?
I have noticed lately that discussions on the Lake of Fire is favoring those who think that the punishment is greater than the crime and that the Lake of Fire is actually a Lake of Love and people will get converted in the Lake of Love then they will be let into heaven or that the length of stay in the Lake of Fire will be short and ALL people who ever existed will end up in the Kingdom of God.
In addressing the OP in the part about the crime fitting the punishment. All of us acknowledge that the severity of punishment for crime is in large part determined by who the crime was against.
For example, if Bob is walking his dog down the street and a random person runs up with a baseball bat and beats Bob's dog to death, that man will be arrested and punished. Let's now imagine that the man instead of beating the dog to death with his baseball bat actually beats Bob to death with his baseball bat. Let's also say the man lives in TexasChances are good that in the case of beating Bob to death the man will receive the death penalty. There's no chance the man would receive the death penalty for beating the dog to death. Same crime - murder. Different punishment though because the crimes committed against humans are considered worse than crimes against animals. We know this intuitively.
All sin is ultimately against God. God is eternal. An eternal punishment for crimes against an eternal God is not unjust.
doesnt make sense. Its not really a view that is portraied in the bible, jesus was never offended at any sinner, light or heavy, except if they were pharasees. He really didnt like the pharasees, lol. Most christians today are really the same as pharasees.But why would sin (which apparently includes just existing) that's finite offend God who is infinite? It's like the actions of an ant offending Godzilla.
Most christians today are really the same as pharasees.
Scripture is not that hard to understand. It is accepting it that is hard. No-one wants to think their loved ones might or did end up in hell. However, if they died in their sin it is a done deal. Accept it and move on. Why take the chance at becoming a false teacher or a false prophet and end up in hell as well. Wisdom is the tree of life to those who find it.I have noticed lately that discussions on the Lake of Fire is favoring those who think that the punishment is greater than the crime and that the Lake of Fire is actually a Lake of Love and people will get converted in the Lake of Love then they will be let into heaven or that the length of stay in the Lake of Fire will be short and ALL people who ever existed will end up in the Kingdom of God. The standard view is that the Lake of Fire (Gehenna) will be the eternal home of all those who hate God and a place where God's presence is totally missing.
So lets have some views on this keeping some of these scriptures and thoughts in mind.
Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For those who propose that humans will have a short stay in the fire does that include the devil and his angels? They have feelings also. They are God's created beings whom He loves even now.
Mat 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Mat 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.
If the Fire is a short stay why would have Jesus have you enter the Kingdom of God crippled than go to the Fire?
Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
This is 1000 earth years later and the beast and false prophet are still there and exactly how long is forever and ever?
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
comments?
Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
comments?
I agree. If we look at scripture, we see Jesus is among the covenant people, He is not even sent to people outside of the covenant. So Jesus is in the midst of believers in the Lord. He is not judging among those outside of His people; He is judging His people. And His judgment of the "standard" teachers is, not good to say the least. I think most Christians expect God to come judging the non-Christians, but I believe we'll find this is not the way it goes. He will be found to come to judge His own people. The crosshairs of judgment are square upon the Christian preachers. We find time and again, these are the ones God is holding responsible:
Jer 10:21 For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.
Jer 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.
Jer 22:22 The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness.
Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jer 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Mt 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mt 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mt 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
Lu 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
Lu 11:47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
Lu 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
My thoughts and beliefs run very fundamental here...the Lake of Fire a Lake of eternal Fire prepared for the devil and all the condemned.I have noticed lately that discussions on the Lake of Fire is favoring those who think that the punishment is greater than the crime and that the Lake of Fire is actually a Lake of Love and people will get converted in the Lake of Love then they will be let into heaven or that the length of stay in the Lake of Fire will be short and ALL people who ever existed will end up in the Kingdom of God. The standard view is that the Lake of Fire (Gehenna) will be the eternal home of all those who hate God and a place where God's presence is totally missing.
So lets have some views on this keeping some of these scriptures and thoughts in mind.
Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For those who propose that humans will have a short stay in the fire does that include the devil and his angels? They have feelings also. They are God's created beings whom He loves even now.
Mat 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Mat 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.
If the Fire is a short stay why would have Jesus have you enter the Kingdom of God crippled than go to the Fire?
Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
This is 1000 earth years later and the beast and false prophet are still there and exactly how long is forever and ever?
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
comments?
Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
comments?
Matthew 3:11 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire"
I'm not sure I am correctly understanding you. Chaff is an integral part of he wheat not something distinct from it. Chaff is the inedible outer husk of the wheat grain which is separated and destroyed. The analogy here is man's sins and sinful nature are destroyed.Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 3:12 KJV
I have noticed lately that discussions on the Lake of Fire is favoring those who think that the punishment is greater than the crime and that the Lake of Fire is actually a Lake of Love and people will get converted in the Lake of Love then they will be let into heaven or that the length of stay in the Lake of Fire will be short and ALL people who ever existed will end up in the Kingdom of God. The standard view is that the Lake of Fire (Gehenna) will be the eternal home of all those who hate God and a place where God's presence is totally missing.
So lets have some views on this keeping some of these scriptures and thoughts in mind.
Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For those who propose that humans will have a short stay in the fire does that include the devil and his angels? They have feelings also. They are God's created beings whom He loves even now.
Mat 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Mat 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.
If the Fire is a short stay why would have Jesus have you enter the Kingdom of God crippled than go to the Fire?
Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
This is 1000 earth years later and the beast and false prophet are still there and exactly how long is forever and ever?
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
comments?
Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
comments?
In the Old Testament, *sheol* refers to “the grave” (cf. Num. 16:30,33; Ps. 16:10). Everyone went to Sheol when they died, not just the wicked. Sheol was not a “place of suffering” for we see Job asking to go there to escape suffering. Also, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia refers to it as “the unseen world” and Young’s Analytical Concordance refers to it as “the unseen state.”...Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels....
comments?
Hades definitly is the realm of the dead, but i think a lot of verses in the old testament will not make sense if sheol is simply grave. Also it seems to be used interchangable for the place of the dead, it uses language of gathering ppl to their forefathers in this place. And then you have saul conjouring up the spirit of samuel from the dead, so it seems that the word sheol is more about that place, but tehre are other hebrew words that simply means grave, namely Strong h6900, qeburah and 6913 qeber.btw, Hell is not a "biblical" word or concept. ... Sheol and Hades both are general terms for grave or realm of the dead. ...But there is not even a Biblical Hebraic word that means Hell.
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