The koran

[okeydokey]

I was curious about the statement that F. Graham made when he said Islam was and evil religion so I did some research. I found an english translation of the koran on the internet and read some of it. I found the reason F. Graham said such a thing. There are several passages in the Koran that state that Jesus, Son of Mary (Isa, son of Mirium) is not God, not the son of God, and that christians are liers(sp?). Of course, since this is a denouncation of Christ, christians would naturally think it anti-christ.

Are there any muslims that can tell me if that is true for the original languaged Koran?

 

[RaptureTicketHolder]

From my studies, Muslims are comfortable believing that Christ was just a prophet of status like Mohammod.

Trouble is, in places the Koran contadicts itself, showing its evil, on how to treat people (as one example) - aka love all but kill the Jew then the Christian.

I believe this religion is extremly evil. What I wonder about is why so many Africian Americans take hold of it so easily.

 

[Evo]

From my studies, Muslims are comfortable believing that Christ was just a prophet of status like Mohammod.

Trouble is, in places the Koran contadicts itself, showing its evil, on how to treat people (as one example) - aka love all but kill the Jew then the Christian.

I believe this religion is extremly evil. What I wonder about is why so many Africian Americans take hold of it so easily.

It doesn't endorse slavery..... unlike christianity/jewdism

 

[RaptureTicketHolder]

Really Evo....doesnt endorse slavery ha?

Maybe you should ask a few of their wives or daughers about that one. I believe you would find a very different answer.

They become property and you can see this play out even today in countries like Saudi Arabia where Muslim men are married to American woman who wish the leave the marriage. In many cases these ladies are REFUSED to even leave the country. Some of them are lucky enough to get protection from the American embassy. The kids of the marriage are the property of the husband, as is the wife.

FOX news has been highlight this "little" problem for a few weeks now.

Yeah, they dont endorse slavery.....

 

[Icystwolf]

From my studies, Muslims are comfortable believing that Christ was just a prophet of status like Mohammod.

Trouble is, in places the Koran contadicts itself, showing its evil, on how to treat people (as one example) - aka love all but kill the Jew then the Christian.

I believe this religion is extremly evil. What I wonder about is why so many Africian Americans take hold of it so easily.

I would think that the koran is ambiguous, and very open to a lot of interpretation. It's very hard for the koran to specifically state anything, except the things already stated within the Bible.

 

[RaptureTicketHolder]

I would think that the koran is ambiguous, and very open to a lot of interpretation. It's very hard for the koran to specifically state anything, except the things already stated within the Bible.

It is suprising to see just how many books and religions have their start from something in the Bible, but veers so terribly.

Gives new meaning to what was said:

Exodus 20
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before [1] me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

With Jesus adding:

Matthew 11

25At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
27"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

 

[Composer]

There are a number of reasons why I reject the Moslem religion.

I suggest that readers take a look at the following Book -

Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, and read the sections on Mohammed and Moslems including the following headings / sub-headings-

MAHOMET DECLARES WAR AGAINST THE INFIDEL

THE CHARACTER AND PRIVATE LIFE OF MAHOMET

Mahomet breaks his own Laws

INFLUENCE OF MAHOMET -


I am certain all who do, will then reject the Moslem Religion also.

 

[Air]

Trouble is, in places the Koran contadicts itself, showing its evil, on how to treat people (as one example) - aka love all but kill the Jew then the Christian.

I read this and I think it is funny how you say the Koran contradicts itself as if the bible dose not do the same thing. Here is the way I see things I don't favor the Koran over the bible or the other way around, I think they both contradict themselfs. The only thing that changes between the two is the person who reads them. If that person believes the Koran is correct then they are not going to see the contradictions in the Koran. If that person believes the bible is correct then they are not going to see the contradictions in the bible. I don't believe that either one is correct so I see the contradictions in both of these books.

I believe this religion is extremly evil. What I wonder about is why so many Africian Americans take hold of it so easily.[/

I believe that both of the religions can be extremely evil or extremely good. You can't call one religion extremely evil and completely ignore the wars, hatred, and violence another has caused.

 

[Composer]

Air,

Precisely where are the alleged "contradictions" in the Bible?

Precise Scriptures please and your reasons why you consider each one to be contradictory?

Please advise all your resources.

Unless stated otherwise, I use the KJV / KJS and the Diaglott Original NT Greek Interlinear.

 

[Air]

There are things that need to be considered when bringing up bible contradictions. Things like do you read the bible symbolically or do you believe the bible is 100% true. When you read the bible symbolically the contradictions can work themselfs out. When you take the bible literally there seems to be a few problems.

To me debating bible contradictions is a waste of time because if you believe the bible is 100% true you are never going to admit contradictions. If I posted something contradictory in the bible you would have explain the verse in a way that it would make since. I am not interested in making parts of the bible fit, anyone could make up stories and make them fit together. I am interested in what the bible says literally and if that dose not make since then I see problems with the bible.

Because I am new here if you want I will bring up a verse or two if you want. Right now it is late and I have to get in bed but I will be thinking about the contradictions I want to post.

 

[Composer]

Thanks Air, I look forward to perhaps clearing up your trepidations towards God's Word.

I must admit that Symbology is a difficult subject, but it has a practical application also.

Let us see how we go?

Please be patient with me as I attempt to demonstrate my Scriptural opinion. I devote my Life to God's Word and attempt to examine it accurately yet my opinion may seem at first NOT what you are normally expected to believe.

I believe ALL the Man made Religions of today are false and I belong to NONE of them.

 

[RaptureTicketHolder]

I believe removing wording from context and applicaton produces contradition within the Bible, but a person actually has to do this for themselves.


I can not agree with you that accepting one book over the other promotes the blinders to contradition.

I do believe that the Bible is true in every aspect and contradition happens only the eye of the beholder, as they use it, not as they read it - but contradition is not part of that Book's makeup.

I can not say the same for the Koran as that book has its contradtions with mere straight forward reading and understanding.

Even its grandest supporters of late have felt the need to clarify what it says about the recent violence and thoughts toward Christians and Jews.

When has the Bible had this need? If you try to claim the crusades, that matter lies not within the Bible itself, but the horrible actions of those acting on behalf of themselves not that good Book.

Much of what has recently happened in the Islamic world seems to be doing the same thing the crusades did, however there is a case to be made that their own book does indeed encourage such action.

The Bible mentions only GODs wrath toward men, not Mans wrath on behalf of GOD (the Koran).

 

[vajradhara]

I was curious about the statement that F. Graham made when he said Islam was and evil religion so I did some research. I found an english translation of the koran on the internet and read some of it. I found the reason F. Graham said such a thing. There are several passages in the Koran that state that Jesus, Son of Mary (Isa, son of Mirium) is not God, not the son of God, and that christians are liers(sp?). Of course, since this is a denouncation of Christ, christians would naturally think it anti-christ.

Are there any muslims that can tell me if that is true for the original languaged Koran?

Namaste... or as my Muslim friends would say... Salaam.

that's pretty much the long and the short of it. The Islamic tradition holds that Jesus (pbuh) was a Prophet and Muhammad (pbuh) was the last Prophet. The reject the Christian claim that Jesus was the Son of God and they think that the Bible was altered to support the Ressurrection. and that's it in a nutshell. of course, there is so much more to what and why and i simply am not versed enough to relate it all.

and i think that you've also touched on why Chrisitans cannot support Islam and in fact go so far as to call it all sorts of names...

 

[akbar]

The Koran,


No, contradictions in verses pertaining to Mecca period before migration to Medina. In that period there is only spirituality. Spirituality means faith in the God with out any additions or conditions. Spirituality is love and where love does not work justice with love may be done. Sensible humans having faith in the God do know about good human values irrespective of religions. The God is the God of universe, the God of mankind and not of religions, communities or groups and unlike religions faith in the God is not a heritage.

 

[Alessandro]

www.islamreview.com

www.islamunveiled.info

Plus many more.

 

[jwsiii]

I believe that both of the religions can be extremely evil or extremely good. You can't call one religion extremely evil and completely ignore the wars, hatred, and violence another has caused.

There is a difference. Violence caused by Christians in the name of Christianity is due to a misinterpretation of Christianity. Violence caused by Muslims is perfectly in line with Islam.

 

[RaptureTicketHolder]

There is a difference. Violence caused by Christians in the name of Christianity is due to a misinterpretation of Christianity. Violence caused by Muslims is perfectly in line with Islam.

EXACTLY!

 

[vajradhara]

There is a difference. Violence caused by Christians in the name of Christianity is due to a misinterpretation of Christianity. Violence caused by Muslims is perfectly in line with Islam.

Namaste jwsiii,

this is not correct... it is also a misinterpetation that leads one to conclude that violence is advocated in Islam as the same is true of Christianity.

as i'm sure we're all aware, pulling suras or verses without a proper understanding of the context can lead one to all sorts of incorrect conclusions.

as with anything, religion especially, there will be some that don't understand properly and think that they do.. and they will propogate teachings that are not consistent with the faith. this is not something unique to Christianity.. it is found in all major faith traditions. it would be incorrect to judge the content of the teaching by the behavior of the adherents.

 

[jwsiii]

Read a book called Islam and the Jews by Mark A. Gabriel. This book cleared up everything for me. This guy knows what he is talking about. He grew up in Egypt and memorized the entire Koran by the time he was twelve. He later became a Christian and wrote this book.

 

[saad]

There are a number of reasons why I reject the Moslem religion.

I suggest that readers take a look at the following Book -

Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, and read the sections on Mohammed and Moslems including the following headings / sub-headings-

MAHOMET DECLARES WAR AGAINST THE INFIDEL

THE CHARACTER AND PRIVATE LIFE OF MAHOMET

Mahomet breaks his own Laws

INFLUENCE OF MAHOMET -


I am certain all who do, will then reject the Moslem Religion also.

who in the world is "mohamet"?