The kingdom of heaven

Tone said:

So, where were you at the time? What was it 2011? I was in prison.

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Sorry, I misunderstood your question.
I told you about what was happening during the FIRST Beast.
During the SECOND Beast (preaching the Latter Rain and 2011)
a small group of us (Last Saints) were opposing the Gospel of
the Anti-Christ and opposing his followers.

The "wise virgins" and the "foolish virgins" were separated
in 2007 when we saw the great "falling-away" occur.
in the Fourth Kingdom

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Tone said:

"went forth"
https://www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-8


Where have you went forth to...what is your "church"?

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When I "went forth" I was in an Orthodox Protestant church.
But remember... the Fourth Beast LOOKED LIKE a leopard
(the Christian Kingdom) and we did not realize that we
were following the False Prophet until AFTER 1994...
some of us did not realize until 2007 when the
great "falling away" occurred.

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Tone said:

"went forth"
https://www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-8


Where have you went forth to...what is your "church"?

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The Last Saints (the "wise virgins") no longer to to any church...
since the Christian churches were left-behind when the
Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven" started.

Very much like the Jewish Temple was left-behind when
Jesus and His disciples started Christian churches as the
Last Jewish saints were "harvested" into the church age.

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Tone said:

What is the image of the first beast that Harold Camping had those effected saints worship and what is the mark? Thank you.

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The "Beast" is the Kingdom of Satan (in each of the four
"Kingdoms of Heaven".

The "image" of the Beast is the Gospel of the Beast.

The "mark of the Beast" is the mark of preaching his Gospel.
Those who would not take the "mark" (the Last Saints or the
"wise virgins") could not "buy or sell" which represents them
PREACHING the Gospel of the Latter Rain.

In the Bible, the preaching and accepting of the Gospel is
represented as "buying and selling"


Rev 18:11-13
And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her;
for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12 merchandise
of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen,
and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood,
and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours,
and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour,
and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.


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Tone said:

Kingdom?

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A King and his son is the Jewish?
No, God and His son Jesus


A Sower is the Christian?
No, God/Jesus is the sower of the saved "wheat/sheep"
and Satan is the sower of the unsaved "tares/goats"


10 virgins are the Great Tribulation?
The "ten virgins" are the Last "wheat and tares"
The saved "wheat/sheep" were the "wise virgins" and
The unsaved "tares/goats" were the "foolish virgins".
BOTH lived during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"


A Wedding Feast is the Eternal Kingdom of Elohim?
Yes, the marriage of the "Bride of Christ" occurs after
the "Final Harvest" of the "wise virgins" and include all
the saints from EACH of the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven"


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5thKingdom said:

NOW YOU SAY the first three Beasts are talking about
(and I quote) "end-time nations". Which is it Dougg?
You cannot have it BOTH ways.


You said
The three beasts, allowed to continue for a season and a time is just talking about the end times nations,

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The four beasts coming out of the sea in Daniel 7 are the 4 ancient empires of Babylonian, Medes-Persian, Greeks, Romans.

In the end times, Revelation 13, is the fourth beast (of Daniel 7 having ten kings, represented by the ten horns in Revelation) coming out of the sea in Revelation 13:1. In Revelation 13:2, the fourth beast (of Daniel 7) is described as having a composite body parts of the other 3 ancient empires.

Mouth - lion
feet - bear
body - leopard

What that means is that the fourth empire in the end times, the EU, the kingdom of the beast person with 42 months left will have gained control of the territories that were once part of the three ancient empires. And the reason being the EU following Gog/Magog at the start of the 7 years will have rushed into the middle east, on the premise of being peace keeper, but really to gain control of all the oil. There may be some resistance in some of those nations at first, but the rider on the white horse, does some battles which he wins, it seems to indicate, at the beginning of the 7 years.

That the beast has a mouth of lion, and that mouth speaks great things and blasphemes, it indicates that the head that is mortally wounded and come back alive (having a lion's mouth) is more prominent, i.e. larger, than the other heads.

Since there are no crowns on the seven heads in Revelation 13, unlike in Revelation 12 which the heads have crowns, it indicates that prophecy of the 7 kings is over with 42 moths left, and that king 7 is the one that has been mortally wounded and healed.

King 7 is the forthcoming little horn person coming out of the fourth empire in the end times, i.e. the leader of the EU. And the ten kings are leaders in the EU as well, not necessarily over ten individual nations in the EU. But making up the EU executive branch. Could be in similarity, to the U.S. president's cabinet members. But not known at this time.

So in the end times, after Jesus has returned, it is the end times nations in the territories once held by those three ancient empires that will be allowed to continue into the millennium, but their dominion, i.e. self rule will not be free as they want. Jesus is going to rule the nations with a rod of iron.

The european nations will still continue as separated nations, ruled over by Jesus with a rod of iron, but not as a union of nations - a Roman Empire any more.
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Tone said:

@5thKingdom
Will you direct me to a statement of faith?

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I cannot help you there. We are commanded to preach the
Biblical mysteries which were "sealed" to all previous saints and
we preach this "new song" as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound".

Remember, the "Final Harvest" occurred before the Fourth Beast
(Revelation Beast) was destroyed in 2011.

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5thKingdom said:

OK.. you think it was ME (not Jesus) who said the following:


(1) About the Jewish Kingdom..

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There are no 5 Kingdoms of Heaven. There is only one. You have come up with a scheme of your own which you "invent" 5 kingdoms of Heaven. And built an entire theory on. And expect people to answer to, like you write to me...

Mat 25:1-2
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.


Dougg... please notice that the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" could NOT be talking about
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" because the Christian
saints NEVER refused to preach the Gospel of salvation and
send people off to some other (unnamed group) for salvation:
(but that DID happen during the Great Tribulation)

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And even in you own theory you did not get the parable of the ten virgins right.

The parable of the ten virgins is about some not being ready for the rapture. It is not about the Great Tribulation, there is no violence found in the parable.

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I would suggest just dumping the whole 5 Kingdoms of Heaven scheme and theory you have come up with. And focus how all the end times prophecies fit together instead.

Douggg said:

The four beasts coming out of the sea in Daniel 7 are the 4 ancient empires of Babylonian, Medes-Persian, Greeks, Romans.

So in the end times, it is the end times nations, of those three ancient empires that will be allowed to continue into the millennium, but their dominion, i.e. self rule will not be free as they want. Jesus is going to rule the nation with a rod of iron.

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I hate to tell you this buddy... but the Babylonian Empire is over.
And the Persian Empire is over... and the Greek Empire is over...
so when you say the PEOPLE in these Empires continue to live
AFTER the PEOPLE of Rome are "cast into the Burning Flame"
you are saying PEOPLE live on earth AFTER others were given
to the Second Death.

So the Babylonian BEAST and the Persian BEAST and the
Grecian BEAST cannot continue to exist on earth during the
1000 years AFTER the Roman BEAST is cast into the Lake...
since each BEAST has already fallen... and is no more.


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Douggg said:

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No child... it is not ME saying anything.
I am just REPEATING exactly what JESUS said.
Your fight is with Jesus (not with me)


Mat 22:2
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants
to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not
come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which
are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my
fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm,
another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king
heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and
destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


Now tell me Dougg... is this the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"?
No... this is the Jewish Kingdom which JESUS specifically NAMED
the "Kingdom of Heaven" (I did not say those words, Jesus did)

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5thKingdom said:

I hate to tell you this buddy... but the Babylonian Empire is over.
And the Persian Empire is over... and the Greek Empire is over...
so when you say the PEOPLE in these Empires continue to live
AFTER the PEOPLE of Rome are "cast into the Burning Flame"
you are saying PEOPLE live on earth AFTER others were given
to the Second Death.

So the Babylonian BEAST and the Persian BEAST and the
Grecian BEAST cannot continue to exist on earth during the
1000 years AFTER the Roman BEAST is cast into the Lake...
since each BEAST has already fallen... and is no more.

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Go back and read what I wrote.

A nation like Egypt will be allowed to continue into the millennium. Egypt is found in Zechariah 14, after Jesus will have returned. If it doesn't send representatives for the feast of tabernacles in that day, it will not get any rain.

@5thKingdom

Here is where your reading comprehension has gone astray. A copy and paste of your writing...




Mat 22:2
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,.......




What you are seeing mentally is this.....


Mat 22:2
The kingdom of heaven is unto a certain king,.......

5thKingdom said:

I was in a Reformed church and a Orthodox Protestant church.
And there was a lot of interest in the Gospel of the Fourth Beast
but there were a lot of pastors that HATED the message and they
kicked us out of the church for preaching that Gospel. This occurred
for about two years between 1992 an 1994.

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So, you believe that only Calvinists were of the 10 virgins?


So, do you still sin?

Tone said:

A King and his son is the Jewish?


A Sower is the Christian?


10 virgins are the Great Tribulation?


A Wedding Feast is the Eternal Kingdom of Elohim?




Kingdom?

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@5thKingdom


Is the above correct?

5thKingdom said:

Sorry, I misunderstood your question.
I told you about what was happening during the FIRST Beast.
During the SECOND Beast (preaching the Latter Rain and 2011)
a small group of us (Last Saints) were opposing the Gospel of
the Anti-Christ and opposing his followers.

The "wise virgins" and the "foolish virgins" were separated
in 2007 when we saw the great "falling-away" occur.
in the Fourth Kingdom

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Hmmmmm I was in prison in 2007 too...

5thKingdom said:

When I "went forth" I was in an Orthodox Protestant church.
But remember... the Fourth Beast LOOKED LIKE a leopard
(the Christian Kingdom) and we did not realize that we
were following the False Prophet until AFTER 1994...
some of us did not realize until 2007 when the
great "falling away" occurred.

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So you were involved with FR?

5thKingdom said:

The Last Saints (the "wise virgins") no longer to to any church...
since the Christian churches were left-behind when the
Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven" started.

Very much like the Jewish Temple was left-behind when
Jesus and His disciples started Christian churches as the
Last Jewish saints were "harvested" into the church age.

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No locations of fellowship?

5thKingdom said:

I cannot help you there. We are commanded to preach the
Biblical mysteries which were "sealed" to all previous saints and
we preach this "new song" as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound".

Remember, the "Final Harvest" occurred before the Fourth Beast
(Revelation Beast) was destroyed in 2011.

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So, you only preach to those who have already accepted the previous gospels and are now ready to hear the last day fulfillment?

Douggg said:

Go back and read what I wrote.

A nation like Egypt will be allowed to continue into the millennium. Egypt is found in Zechariah 14, after Jesus will have returned. If it doesn't send representatives for the feast of tabernacles in that day, it will not get any rain.

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Go back and read what the BIBLE SAYS:
The previous Beasts lives are prolonged for a "Season and Time"
AFTER the destruction of the Fourth Beast in the Lake of Fire.

I don't know WHY you are talking about Egypt now...
since you claimed the Babylonian Empire and the Persian Empire
and the Grecian Empire continue on earth for a "Season and Time"
(or 1000 years) AFTER the people of the Roman Empire are
cast into the Lake of Fire.

So, you are preaching the PEOPLE of Babylon and PEOPLE from
Persia and PEOPLE from Greece remain alive on earth AFTER the
PEOPLE from the Fourth Beast are cast into the Eternal Lake.

You have an entirely NEW GOSPEL.
Suddenly there will be a Babylonian Beast again.
Suddenly there will be a Persian Beast again,
Suddenly there will be a Grecian Beast again
And they continue for 1000 years AFTER
the Fourth Beast is in the Lake of Fire.

Do you have your own church?
Or is this a Gospel that ONLY you preach?
You DO PREACH this Gospel right? OR is it just online?

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Tone said:

So, you only preach to those who have already accepted the previous gospels and are now ready to hear the last day fulfillment?

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Rev 10:11
And he said unto me,
Thou must prophesy again before many peoples,
and nations, and tongues, and kings.


The Last Saints, the "wise virgins", are COMMANDED to preach
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound". I just obey.


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he
shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished,
as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.



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