The Kingdom Age

[dfw69]

And scriptures for those thoughts please?

Sister even if Jesus was to return tomorrow to reign with all the tech we have He would be a superstar obviously

He’s not though …

But here’s a few to chew


The messiah will be a prophet like Moses Deut 18:15-19

Isaiah 9:6-7
Joel 3:16-17

 

[Douggg]

Just who is going to rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years. In Rev 20 we are told about a first resurrection.

"Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also, I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years."

In this passage, the "first resurrection" refers to the raising to life of believers who have been faithful to Jesus Christ. It is described as occurring before the "thousand-year" reign of Christ, often referred to as the "millennium" in Christian eschatology (the study of end times). Those who take part in the first resurrection are depicted as reigning with Christ during this period.

The interpretation of the first resurrection is a topic of theological debate within Christian eschatology, with different traditions and denominations holding varying views. Some interpret it as a literal resurrection of believers before a literal thousand-year reign of Christ on Earth, while others see it as a symbolic or figurative description of the blessings and rewards for faithful believers in the afterlife.

Diamond7, go to this thread (click on the link - I think it would help), and follow the "how to" instructions in post #9, to custom title your screen-name info so everyone will know at a glance what your position(s) are. Right now, it says "Well known member" which does not say much.

I think it would help....

 

[Diamond72]

Where does the Bible say that church and kingdom of God are two different things?

This is a reference to ages. The church age vs the Kingdom age. Usually referred to as the millennial.

Isiah 9:6 talks about this.
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Revelation 20:4
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This is a sabbath where man will rest from his works.

The church age has many names. The Holy Spirit dispensation for example.

 

[Diamond72]

John Nelson Darby invented Dispensational Futurism.

I am not sure I believe in a literal return of Jesus. Although I am open to that. It is difficult to know the future and what is going to take place. Esp when we are talking about an age different then ours.

Distinctive Dispensations: Darby's dispensationalism divides human history into distinct periods or "dispensations," each with its own unique characteristics and responsibilities. These dispensations typically include the Age of Innocence (before the Fall), the Age of Conscience (from Adam to Noah), the Age of Government (from Noah to Abraham), and so on. This division is used to interpret the Bible and understand how God has interacted with humanity at different times.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I am not sure I believe in a literal return of Jesus. Although I am open to that. It is difficult to know the future and what is going to take place. Esp when we are talking about an age different then ours.

Distinctive Dispensations: Darby's dispensationalism divides human history into distinct periods or "dispensations," each with its own unique characteristics and responsibilities. These dispensations typically include the Age of Innocence (before the Fall), the Age of Conscience (from Adam to Noah), the Age of Government (from Noah to Abraham), and so on. This division is used to interpret the Bible and understand how God has interacted with humanity at different times.

Interesting read as well....

As a system Dispensationalism is linked with the teachings of the Anglo-Irish theologian and Plymouth Brethren minister, John Nelson Darby (1800-82). Based on his study of Isaiah 32, Darby believed that Israel would experience earthly blessings in a future dispensation that were different from what the church would experience. He advocated for a strong distinction between Israel and the church. Darby also popularized the idea that the church would be raptured or snatched to heaven just prior to the seventieth-week of Daniel.

Early Dispensationalism began in Britain but then experienced great popularity in the United States. Darby and other Brethren ministers brought Dispensationalism to America. The rise in popularity of Dispensationalism also occurred through Bible conferences, the rise of Bible institutes and colleges, the influence of Dallas Theological Seminary (est. 1924), and the popularity of radio and television programs from dispensational teachers. Hal Lindsey’s book, The Late Great Planet Earth, and the Left Behind book series (Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins) were books published from a dispensational perspective that became best sellers. Dispensationalism remains popular in the United States but also has many critics.

 

[trophy33]

This is a reference to ages. The church age vs the Kingdom age. Usually referred to as the millennial.

Isiah 9:6 talks about this.
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Revelation 20:4
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This is a sabbath where man will rest from his works.

The church age has many names. The Holy Spirit dispensation for example.

This seems to me being put together quite randomly. Is there a text that clearly distinguishes between the two, in one place?

“In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever."
Dn 2:44

"he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
Lk 1:33

Christ's kingdom will never end and its already in place. Revelation is a symbolic book and the thousand years is a symbolic time.

 

[Diamond72]

This seems to me being put together quite randomly. Is there a text that clearly distinguishes between the two, in one place?

There are a fair number of scriptures that talk about the third day. For example, The wedding at Cana described in the Gospel of John (John 2:1-11). "On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee.".

Paul explains this in Ehesians 5 "25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her 26to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless."

"32This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church."

Ephesians 5:32 emphasizes that the marital relationship is a symbolic representation of the deep spiritual connection between Jesus Christ and His Church. It underscores the intimacy, unity, and oneness that believers should have with Christ, akin to the closeness experienced in a loving and faithful marriage. This passage serves as a beautiful illustration of the relationship between Christ and His followers in Christian theology.

Revelation 19:7 (ESV):
"Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready."

In this verse, the "Lamb" refers to Jesus Christ, and the "Bride" refers to the Church. The imagery here portrays a joyful celebration of the union between Christ and His Church, often understood as a representation of the ultimate fulfillment of God's redemptive plan.

The idea conveyed in Revelation 19:7 is that the Church, symbolized as the bride, has prepared herself for this glorious union with Christ. This readiness typically represents the purity, holiness, and faithfulness of believers who have been prepared through their faith in Jesus Christ to be part of His eternal kingdom. The wedding feast of the Lamb is a prominent eschatological theme in the book of Revelation, signifying the culmination of God's plan and the ultimate destiny of the redeemed.

 

[parousia70]

I do not question anything at all. The Bible clearly says 1000 years is a day.

The Bible also clearly says 1000 years is equal to a "watch in the night" (Psalm 90:4) - which is a period of 3-6 hours. Far less than a Day.

 

[Diamond72]

The Bible also clearly says 1000 years is equal to a "watch in the night" (Psalm 90:4) - which is a period of 3-6 hours. Far less than a Day.

ALSO does not change the fact that Moses (Psalm 90:4) tells us: "A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night." NIV

These verses are often used to highlight the transcendence of God and the limited nature of human understanding of time. They convey the idea that God exists outside the constraints of time and that what may seem like a long time to humans is but a fleeting moment in God's perspective. It's a reflection on the eternal and timeless nature of God in contrast to the finite nature of human existence.

As I mentioned earlier, following Bishop Ussher's calculations, Abraham's birth occurred approximately 2,000 years after Adam, and Jesus was born approximately 2,000 years after Abraham. When you add these two periods together, it totals 4,000 years. This biblical chronology aligns with a passage in Matthew 13:49, where Jesus speaks about the events that will occur at the end of the age: "This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous" (NIV).


Matthew talks about the end of the age 6 times. Jesus was said to be born in 4 BC & we are told he died when he was 33. That would mean the beginning of the church & thus the beginning of the church age was 29 AD. Pentecost is Fifty days after Passover.

I enjoy observing the asteroid Apophis. Rest assured, it will safely pass by Earth in both 2029 and 2036. Recent radar observations of Apophis during its flyby in March 2021 confirmed that there is no risk of an impact for at least the next century.

In 2029, Apophis will make its closest approach on Friday, April 13th, while Passover will begin at sundown on Friday, April 6th, continuing until sundown on Saturday, April 14th. So, in that year, the date of Apophis coincides with Friday, April 13th.

In the realm of faith, there are no mere coincidences. The mathematical precision found in the Bible is a testament to its exactitude. In the year 2029, the asteroid's path aligns with the start of Passover, directly over Jerusalem. Likewise, in 2036, the asteroid's trajectory takes it over Jerusalem as Passover concludes, falling on a Sunday. These alignments hold a special significance for those who find meaning in the intersection of faith and science.

Luke 21:25 tells us: "“There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea." Tyson talks about the tossing of the sea on this day. Of course he is the same person who declared Pluto is not a plant, so what does he know? He has a PhD in Astro Physics.

As I pointed out, my source is Moses, Bishop Ussher & Neil Degrasse Tyson. As well as NASA.

 

[Diamond72]

Christ's kingdom will never end and its already in place. Revelation is a symbolic book and the thousand years is a symbolic time.

Thirteen thousand years ago, approximately 11,000 BCE (Before Common Era), the Earth was in a period known as the Holocene epoch. This period followed the end of the Pleistocene epoch, which was marked by significant glaciation and ice ages. The Holocene epoch began around 11,700 years ago and continues to the present day.

During the Holocene epoch, the Earth's climate stabilized into a relatively warmer and more stable state compared to the previous ice age. Human civilization began to develop, and significant changes in vegetation, wildlife, and sea levels occurred as the planet transitioned from the glacial conditions of the Pleistocene to the more temperate conditions of the Holocene.

It's important to note that the exact dating of events in prehistoric times can vary slightly depending on the methods and sources used by researchers, but the figures mentioned here provide a general timeframe for events occurring around 13,000 years ago.

Approximately 13,000 years ago, at the end of the Pleistocene epoch and the beginning of the Holocene epoch, there was a significant climatic event known as the Younger Dryas stadial. During this period, the Earth's climate cooled significantly, leading to a reversal of the warming trend that had been occurring since the Last Glacial Maximum (around 20,000 years ago).

This cooling period is associated with a number of environmental changes, including shifts in vegetation and the possible extinction of certain megafauna (large animal species). While there was indeed a significant impact on the environment and some extinctions occurred, it's challenging to provide an exact percentage of the population affected because it varied by region and species.

Some of the megafauna that are believed to have gone extinct or experienced substantial population declines during this period include woolly mammoths, saber-toothed cats, and giant ground sloths, among others. However, the degree of impact and the specific species affected varied from place to place.

Additionally, it's important to note that the causes of these extinctions are still a subject of scientific debate. Climate change, overhunting by early human populations, or a combination of both are among the proposed factors.

In summary, while there was a significant environmental shift and some extinctions around 13,000 years ago, it's difficult to provide a precise percentage of the population affected due to the complexity and variability of the factors involved.

 

[Douggg]

Diamond7, thanks for creating the custom title below your screen name.

 

[Douggg]

Interesting read as well....

As a system Dispensationalism is linked with the teachings of the Anglo-Irish theologian and Plymouth Brethren minister, John Nelson Darby (1800-82). Based on his study of Isaiah 32, Darby believed that Israel would experience earthly blessings in a future dispensation that were different from what the church would experience. He advocated for a strong distinction between Israel and the church. Darby also popularized the idea that the church would be raptured or snatched to heaven just prior to the seventieth-week of Daniel.

Early Dispensationalism began in Britain but then experienced great popularity in the United States. Darby and other Brethren ministers brought Dispensationalism to America. The rise in popularity of Dispensationalism also occurred through Bible conferences, the rise of Bible institutes and colleges, the influence of Dallas Theological Seminary (est. 1924), and the popularity of radio and television programs from dispensational teachers. Hal Lindsey’s book, The Late Great Planet Earth, and the Left Behind book series (Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins) were books published from a dispensational perspective that became best sellers. Dispensationalism remains popular in the United States but also has many critics.

Maria, go to this thread (click on the link - I think it would help), and follow the "how to" instructions in post #9, to custom title your screen-name info so everyone will know at a glance what your position(s) are. Right now, it says "Well known member" which does not say much.

I think it would help....

 

[trophy33]

There are a fair number of scriptures that talk about the third day. For example, The wedding at Cana described in the Gospel of John (John 2:1-11). "On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee.".

Paul explains this in Ehesians 5 "25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her 26to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless."

"32This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church."

Ephesians 5:32 emphasizes that the marital relationship is a symbolic representation of the deep spiritual connection between Jesus Christ and His Church. It underscores the intimacy, unity, and oneness that believers should have with Christ, akin to the closeness experienced in a loving and faithful marriage. This passage serves as a beautiful illustration of the relationship between Christ and His followers in Christian theology.

Revelation 19:7 (ESV):
"Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready."

In this verse, the "Lamb" refers to Jesus Christ, and the "Bride" refers to the Church. The imagery here portrays a joyful celebration of the union between Christ and His Church, often understood as a representation of the ultimate fulfillment of God's redemptive plan.

The idea conveyed in Revelation 19:7 is that the Church, symbolized as the bride, has prepared herself for this glorious union with Christ. This readiness typically represents the purity, holiness, and faithfulness of believers who have been prepared through their faith in Jesus Christ to be part of His eternal kingdom. The wedding feast of the Lamb is a prominent eschatological theme in the book of Revelation, signifying the culmination of God's plan and the ultimate destiny of the redeemed.

Is there a clear, explicit text saying that there will be "the age of the church" and then, after that, "the age of the kingdom of God"?

There is a lot of interpretation in your post, but I doubt that such important division of history would be presented only in images and parables, in Scriptures.

 

[trophy33]

Thirteen thousand years ago, approximately 11,000 BCE (Before Common Era), the Earth was in a period known as the Holocene epoch. This period followed the end of the Pleistocene epoch, which was marked by significant glaciation and ice ages. The Holocene epoch began around 11,700 years ago and continues to the present day.

During the Holocene epoch, the Earth's climate stabilized into a relatively warmer and more stable state compared to the previous ice age. Human civilization began to develop, and significant changes in vegetation, wildlife, and sea levels occurred as the planet transitioned from the glacial conditions of the Pleistocene to the more temperate conditions of the Holocene.

It's important to note that the exact dating of events in prehistoric times can vary slightly depending on the methods and sources used by researchers, but the figures mentioned here provide a general timeframe for events occurring around 13,000 years ago.

Approximately 13,000 years ago, at the end of the Pleistocene epoch and the beginning of the Holocene epoch, there was a significant climatic event known as the Younger Dryas stadial. During this period, the Earth's climate cooled significantly, leading to a reversal of the warming trend that had been occurring since the Last Glacial Maximum (around 20,000 years ago).

This cooling period is associated with a number of environmental changes, including shifts in vegetation and the possible extinction of certain megafauna (large animal species). While there was indeed a significant impact on the environment and some extinctions occurred, it's challenging to provide an exact percentage of the population affected because it varied by region and species.

Some of the megafauna that are believed to have gone extinct or experienced substantial population declines during this period include woolly mammoths, saber-toothed cats, and giant ground sloths, among others. However, the degree of impact and the specific species affected varied from place to place.

Additionally, it's important to note that the causes of these extinctions are still a subject of scientific debate. Climate change, overhunting by early human populations, or a combination of both are among the proposed factors.

In summary, while there was a significant environmental shift and some extinctions around 13,000 years ago, it's difficult to provide a precise percentage of the population affected due to the complexity and variability of the factors involved.

I do not know how this presentation follows the quoted text of mine...

 

[Marilyn C]

Sister even if Jesus was to return tomorrow to reign with all the tech we have He would be a superstar obviously

He’s not though …

But here’s a few to chew


The messiah will be a prophet like Moses Deut 18:15-19

Isaiah 9:6-7
Joel 3:16-17

Deut. 18: 15 - 19 Speaks of the Lord as prophet when He was on earth.

Isaiah 9: 6 & 7 Yes on the throne of David, means that the Lord will rule from on high through those He appoints. A man called David will be king over Israel, (Jer. 30: 9)

Joel 3: 16 & 17 The Lord will be in Jerusalem by His Holy Spirit.

Remember that the Father appointed the Lord Jesus to rule `far above all...in this age and also in that which is to come.` ((Eph. 1: 21 & 22)

 

[Diamond72]

Is there a clear, explicit text saying that there will be "the age of the church" and then, after that, "the age of the kingdom of God"?

No there is not because Paul says this is a mystory. ""32This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church." Perhaps you need to do some study on what "mystery" means in the Bible.

Also we read: the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.

1. The Mystery: Paul refers to "the mystery," which is a term he often uses in his writings to describe something previously hidden or not fully understood but now revealed by God.
2. Hidden from Ages and Generations: Paul is emphasizing that this mystery was concealed or kept hidden for a long time throughout various ages and generations in the past. It was not fully disclosed or comprehended in the Old Testament era.
3. Now Has Been Revealed: The key point in this verse is that this mystery, which was previously hidden, has now been revealed. Paul is likely referring to the revelation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the message of salvation through faith in Christ, and the inclusion of Gentiles (non-Jews) in God's plan of salvation.
4. To His Saints: The revelation of this mystery is not just for anyone but specifically for "His saints," meaning those who are set apart for God, believers in Jesus Christ who have dedicated themselves to living in accordance with His teachings.

In the broader context of the book of Colossians, Paul goes on to explain aspects of this mystery, including the supremacy and sufficiency of Christ, the hope of glory in Christ, and the reconciliation of believers to God through Christ's work. The mystery is essentially the unveiling of God's redemptive plan through Jesus Christ, which had not been fully understood in previous generations but has now been made known to believers.

 

[Diamond72]

Is there a clear, explicit text saying that there will be "the age of the church" and then, after that, "the age of the kingdom of God"?

1. The Church: The term "Church" (Greek: "ekklesia") is used in the New Testament to refer to the community of believers in Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself mentioned the Church in Matthew 16:18 when He said, "I will build my church." The New Testament epistles, particularly those written by Paul, provide teachings and instructions for the early Christian communities.
2. The Kingdom of God: The concept of the Kingdom of God is central to Jesus' teaching. He often used parables and teachings to explain the nature of God's kingdom. For example, in Mark 1:15, Jesus proclaimed, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

While the Bible doesn't explicitly describe "the age of the church" followed by "the age of the kingdom of God" as distinct, sequential periods, it does emphasize that the Church is an essential part of God's redemptive plan and that the Kingdom of God is both present and future:

• The Church exists in the present age as the community of believers who follow Jesus Christ and proclaim the gospel.
• The Kingdom of God is seen as both a present reality in the hearts of believers and a future fulfillment when Christ returns to establish His eternal kingdom.

The relationship between the Church and the Kingdom of God is a complex and rich theological topic, and interpretations may vary among different Christian denominations and traditions. Some see the Church as a sign and instrument of God's kingdom, while others emphasize the kingdom's future fulfillment.

 

[trophy33]

1. The Church: The term "Church" (Greek: "ekklesia") is used in the New Testament to refer to the community of believers in Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself mentioned the Church in Matthew 16:18 when He said, "I will build my church." The New Testament epistles, particularly those written by Paul, provide teachings and instructions for the early Christian communities.
2. The Kingdom of God: The concept of the Kingdom of God is central to Jesus' teaching. He often used parables and teachings to explain the nature of God's kingdom. For example, in Mark 1:15, Jesus proclaimed, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

While the Bible doesn't explicitly describe "the age of the church" followed by "the age of the kingdom of God" as distinct, sequential periods, it does emphasize that the Church is an essential part of God's redemptive plan and that the Kingdom of God is both present and future:

• The Church exists in the present age as the community of believers who follow Jesus Christ and proclaim the gospel.
• The Kingdom of God is seen as both a present reality in the hearts of believers and a future fulfillment when Christ returns to establish His eternal kingdom.

The relationship between the Church and the Kingdom of God is a complex and rich theological topic, and interpretations may vary among different Christian denominations and traditions. Some see the Church as a sign and instrument of God's kingdom, while others emphasize the kingdom's future fulfillment.

This looks like an AI response. Without any real answer.

 

[trophy33]

No there is not because Paul says this is a mystory. ""32This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church." Perhaps you need to do some study on what "mystery" means in the Bible.

Also we read: the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.

1. The Mystery: Paul refers to "the mystery," which is a term he often uses in his writings to describe something previously hidden or not fully understood but now revealed by God.
2. Hidden from Ages and Generations: Paul is emphasizing that this mystery was concealed or kept hidden for a long time throughout various ages and generations in the past. It was not fully disclosed or comprehended in the Old Testament era.
3. Now Has Been Revealed: The key point in this verse is that this mystery, which was previously hidden, has now been revealed. Paul is likely referring to the revelation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the message of salvation through faith in Christ, and the inclusion of Gentiles (non-Jews) in God's plan of salvation.
4. To His Saints: The revelation of this mystery is not just for anyone but specifically for "His saints," meaning those who are set apart for God, believers in Jesus Christ who have dedicated themselves to living in accordance with His teachings.

In the broader context of the book of Colossians, Paul goes on to explain aspects of this mystery, including the supremacy and sufficiency of Christ, the hope of glory in Christ, and the reconciliation of believers to God through Christ's work. The mystery is essentially the unveiling of God's redemptive plan through Jesus Christ, which had not been fully understood in previous generations but has now been made known to believers.

I think you misunderstood the text. The mystery hidden for ages is church. Not that there will be something else after church.

Also, did you use AI? Much of the text is like an answer to a totally different question.

 

[Diamond72]

Not that there will be something else after church.

You can be narrow-minded if you want, but these terms have a much wider application than you seem to understand. Back when we used dictionaries we could see how many different ways a work can be used.

The term "Kingdom Age" can have different meanings depending on the context in which it is used. In some religious or theological contexts, the Kingdom Age may refer to a period of time associated with the fulfillment of certain prophecies or the establishment of a divine kingdom on Earth. For example:

1. Christianity: In Christian theology, the Kingdom Age may refer to a future period of time often associated with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. It is believed by some Christians that during this age, Jesus will return to Earth to establish His kingdom, and there will be a time of peace and righteousness.
2. Messianic Judaism: Similar to some Christian beliefs, Messianic Judaism also anticipates a future Kingdom Age when the Messiah (often seen as Jesus) will reign as King over the world.
3. Other Religions: Other religious traditions may have similar concepts of a future age of peace and spiritual fulfillment, often associated with the arrival of a messianic figure or a period of divine rule.

It's important to note that the concept of a Kingdom Age is primarily a matter of religious belief and interpretation, and its specifics can vary widely among different religious groups and individuals. In a broader historical or sociopolitical context, the term may not have a universally accepted meaning.

The mystery hidden for ages is church.

The phrase "the mystery hidden" is quite abstract and could refer to various concepts depending on the context in which it's used. It's not associated with a specific age or time period. However, the idea of hidden mysteries is a common theme in various religious, philosophical, and mystical traditions throughout history.