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The Jubilee year

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Does the start 50th year form the start of the next 50, or, does the next 50 start at the end of the 50th year?

What date (BCE) to Jewish authorities give for entering Canaan after leaving Egypt?

Thank you.

Yes year 50 is the 1st of a new generation of years just like the 50th day Shavuot (Pentecost) is a 1st day following seven 7th day Sabbaths...

Around 1450 B.C....Solomon built his Temple around 966 B.C. and the scriptures say 480 years before Solomon began to build, the Exodus occurred (see 1 Kings 6:1).

Hope this helps

In His love

Paul
 
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Yes year 50 is the 1st of a new generation of years just like the 50th day Shavuot (Pentecost) is a 1st day following seven 7th day Sabbaths...

Around 1450 B.C....Solomon built his Temple around 966 B.C. and the scriptures say 480 years before Solomon began to build, the Exodus occurred (see 1 Kings 6:1).
Thanks Paul, can I trouble you for your source regarding point 1?
You know what people are, they won't accept anything unless the authority is given. :preach:

With point 2 it seems to me that the first Jubilee would have been about 1410BC as they wandered in the wilderness for 40 years after the Exodus.
 
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Thanks Paul, can I trouble you for your source regarding point 1?

You know what people are, they won't accept anything unless the authority is given. :preach:

With point 2 it seems to me that the first Jubilee would have been about 1410BC as they wandered in the wilderness for 40 years after the Exodus.

Point 2 first...I would say 1400 but I believe the 1450 date but give or take a few years for the Exodus perhaps you are correct. I would not be dogmatic about this.

Point 1 - The source I used in my studies to understand the Jubilee year is the Scriptures, more specifically, the Torah. But before you can understand the Jubilee you have to understand the order of Sabbatical years.

Everything in the Hebrew understanding of time happens in cycles. Seven days in a week ending on the 7th day Sabbath is another. The next 1st or 8th day is always the first day of the next 7 day cycle. The same is true for Sabbatical years. Every 7th year is a Sabbath year, and the next 1st or 8th year is the first of the next cycle of seven years. After seven cycles of seven Sabbatical years the following or 50th year is the Jubilee and it is the naturally occurring 1st year of the new 49 year cycle.

Sources are Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy.

For example…Sabbath years

Leviticus 25:1-13 The Lord said to Moses on Mount Sinai, 2 Say to the people of Israel, When you come into the land which I give you, the land shall keep a Sabbath to the Lord. 3 Six years you shall sow your field, and six years you shall prune your vineyard, and gather in its fruits; 4 but in the seventh year there shall be a Sabbath of solemn rest for the land, a Sabbath to the Lord;

Exodus 23:10-11 10"For six years you may sow your land and gather in its produce. 11But the seventh year you shall let the land lie untilled and unharvested, that the poor among you may eat of it and the beasts of the field may eat what the poor leave. So also shall you do in regard to your vineyard and your olive grove.

A sub-purpose was provided in this…

Exodus 21:2-6 2When you purchase a Hebrew slave, he is to serve you for six years, but in the seventh year he shall be given his freedom without cost. 3If he comes into service alone, he shall leave alone; if he comes with a wife, his wife shall leave with him. 4But if his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall remain the master's property and the man shall leave alone. 5If, however, the slave declares, 'I am devoted to my master and my wife and children; I will not go free,' 6his master shall bring him to God and there, at the door or doorpost, he shall pierce his ear with an awl, thus keeping him as his slave forever.

Also debts were forgiven

Deuteronomy 15:1-6 1"At the end of every seven-year period you shall have a relaxation of debts, 2which shall be observed as follows. Every creditor shall relax his claim on what he has loaned his neighbor; he must not press his neighbor, his kinsman, because a relaxation in honor of the LORD has been proclaimed. 3You may press a foreigner, but you shall relax the claim on your kinsman for what is yours. 4Nay, more! since the LORD, your God, will bless you abundantly in the land he will give you to occupy as your heritage, there should be no one of you in need. 5If you but heed the voice of the LORD, your God, and carefully observe all these commandments which I enjoin on you today, 6you will lend to many nations, and borrow from none; you will rule over many nations, and none will rule over you, since the LORD, your God, will bless you as he promised.

The Jubilee year…

Leviticus 25:8-10 8 And you shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that the time of the seven weeks of years shall be to you forty-nine years. 9 Then you shall send abroad the loud trumpet on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the day of atonement you shall send abroad the trumpet throughout all your land. 10 And you shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants; it shall be a jubilee for you, when each of you shall return to his property and each of you shall return to his family. 11 A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be to you; in it you shall neither sow, nor reap what grows of itself, nor gather the grapes from the undressed vines. 12 For it is a jubilee; it shall be holy to you; you shall eat what it yields out of the field. 13 In this year of jubilee each of you shall return to his property.

SO…If we were not to see the Jubilee year in the same context as the 1st day and 1st year in the weekly and yearly Sabbaths, then the language would have to change. The 50th is obviously following the 49th and of that there is no question according to the word. So if we assume we can cut out the 50th year having it stand alone and not start the re-counting till the 51st year this makes no sense at all and there is no grammatical precedence for doing so. Therefore in taking the word for its plenary meaning and comparing to all other uses of the concept of a first that follows the 7th as being the new 1st of seven, I see no other rational explanation.

What are your thoughts...

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Paul
 
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What I found even more exciting was a study of 1st days (and firsts in general) in the Torah and OT traditions...very revealing I must say...for even in creation the first day is the liberation of all that was created...it was the beginning... something entirely new came into being. Christ was raised on a first day and the church was born on a first day (days of liberation, new beginning, a new creation...etc.,)...were special first days of newness and liberation and renewal founded by God elsewhere...were any of them considered Holy? Perhaps even days of rest (Shabbat)? Hmmm! Check it out sometime...don't you just love the word?

Paul
 
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What are your thoughts...

In His love

Paul

yes I'd say the 50th year is definitely the first year of the next Jubilee.

Some people are saying that 1917 & 1967 were Jubilee years.

However others give 1445-44BC* as the Exodus so the first Jubilee would be 1405-04BC

* based on 1 Kings 6:1 and and an accession date of 970BC for Solomon.
 
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I don't think it is relevant to the Christian what year is Jubilee, if we take seriously Jesus' statement when he read from Isaiah then he is our eternal Jubilee :)
True, our relationship & salvation doesn't depend on it, but there is a thought that we are approaching the 70th Jubilee.
Jesus first coming was at a seventy sevens, (Daniel 9:24 - "Seventy weeks are determined"), it seems impossible to believe he will return at some irrelevant time.

Of course no man can know the day or hour, but that leaves room for some wise person to know the year (Dan. 12:9-10).
 
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True, our relationship & salvation doesn't depend on it, but there is a thought that we are approaching the 70th Jubilee.
Jesus first coming was at a seventy sevens, (Daniel 9:24 - "Seventy weeks are determined"), it seems impossible to believe he will return at some irrelevant time.

Of course no man can know the day or hour, but that leaves room for some wise person to know the year (Dan. 12:9-10).

I warn you don't lay your hope in a year, for years come and go. I beseech you lay your hope in Christ, for he is patient and long-enduring this world.

Christ truly died, Christ truly is risen, and Christ truly will come again.
 
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