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The Joseph Smith Sects

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You'll have to excuse me. Despite ecumenism the underlying principles of opposition to Catholicism imply things such as the Vatican as the Antichrist, so how could it be considered Christian? And certainly those Catholics opposed to vsticVa II and Nostra Etaete would consider the Vatican as having abandoned Christianity.
You are seriously misguided on a lot of things.

I hope you ask more questions and make less statements here that are based on your opinion, rather than fact.

There are millions of Catholic saved followers of Christ. Theories of what may happen in the future, unproven that have little basis in fact is no way to judge a denomination with millions of members.

Each Christian believer is precious to Christ.

Anyways, back to the topic of the Joseph Smith sects ....
 
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I guess youdy have to examine Vatican II and Nostra Etaete, as well as doctrines of Protestant denominations.
To determine what?

It is not I or anyone who determines who is saved, but God. I don't kneed to examine their doctrine to know what the Bible says about who Christ saves. I know that God saves individual people, not demonimations. Unless the theology is so wack that they don't qualify for the non-deal breakers that God has outlined.

Why don't you point out the specific deal breakers in these demoninations and let me see if they correspond to God's Word.
 
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That is silly. Whatever their believes now--no one can refute the fact that the Catholics were the first church, not the first Christians, by any means, and there were Christian churches before they banded together as a church, but for several 1000 years, they were they ONLY church. There were always groups that rejected their teachings, they were underground groups and had to be for only they were legally allowed to have the bible. And it is well known about the millions they persecuted and killed in the name of their church. Some of the popes, even in their own history, are known to have done evil. But to say they are not Christian is a far stretch. Yes, it was even their own clergy who first publicly stated that the pope was antichrist. It did not start with Protestants.
That is not to say that, as Christians, every Christian is following the bible. There are evil, wrong doing Christians in every single denomination. And every denomination has a history of being persecuted by other Christians. Fact is, we are all human, all sinners, all have come short of the glory of God, there is none that is good--no, not one! One denomination can not separate itself from another because they have been persecuted--Catholics have had their share of persecution. We love to hate. That is the bottom line.
One does not decide what church to belong to, or leave, based on the actions of the individual members. We are supposed to choose one that best teaches the word of God. How the members act is between them and God. We are not to follow, preachers, priests or any other individual. We are to follow and emulate Jesus who teaches and shows us--God, the Father.
 
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Getting back to the original point of the thread, what do non-Utah denominations (such as CoC) believe about the alleged authenticity of the BoM?? Do they say it contains "some truths" or is a valid work of moral fiction, rather than a divine revelation?
 
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I am curious as to whether any comparative studies have been made on Utah Mormonism and the Jehovah's Witnesses. There seem to be similarities in the Watchtower Society leadership and that of the Mormon Presidency. Of course it could be argued that they have both made use of the Vatican as a model of church structure and transmission of ideology.
 
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The overarching role of the committee comprising the Watchtower Society does seem to resemble the role of the Presidency in Utah. Both are rooted in the Restorationist movements of the mid 19th century, and are said to have links to the Freemasons and their ideas.
 
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