The Jerusalem problem could be resolved by nuking it. If God wants a church there he would have to build it. If JHWH wants a temple, if Allah want a mosque . . . .
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The Jerusalem problem
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arunma
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billwald said:
Even though it is currently under the control of false religions (Judaism and Islam), Jerusalem is the holy City of God, and the place where our Lord was crucified and raised to life. The last thing I would want to do is nuke it. Besides that, many people live there, and killing them (or ignoring them, if you meant "nuking it" to be taken figuratively) is also not in step with the Gospel.
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Allah deals with his enemies as described in the following chapter:
105.001
Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with the possessors of the elephant [the people who came to destroy the Holy Kaaba in Mecca] ?
105.002
Did He not cause their war to end in confusion,
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And send down (to prey) upon them birds in flocks,
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Casting against them stones of baked clay,
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So He rendered them like straw eaten up.
105.001
Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with the possessors of the elephant [the people who came to destroy the Holy Kaaba in Mecca] ?
105.002
Did He not cause their war to end in confusion,
105.003
And send down (to prey) upon them birds in flocks,
105.004
Casting against them stones of baked clay,
105.005
So He rendered them like straw eaten up.
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God (the so-called creator of the universe) has a holy city? Youd think his holy whatever would be a bit grander, like the holy planetary system or holy asteroid belt.arunma said:
When the Moshiach comes Ill see you in Gehinnom!
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arunma
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peepnklown said:God (the so-called creator of the universe) has a holy city? You’d think his holy whatever would be a bit grander, like the holy planetary system or holy asteroid belt.
When the Moshiach comes I’ll see you in Gehinnom!
Will you be joining me?
By the way, I would hate for you to misrepresent Judaism so as to suggest that Jews believe in the condemnation of Christians.
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IceJad
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To arunma,
Hi! Long time no see. My bad.
I would not say that Jewish faith is false. God did choose them to bear forth the Messiah Yeshua(Jesus). And Yeshua did say that He has came to fullfil the prophesies and laws of the Jews. Christianity did rise up from the Jewish faith. The Jews has yet to wake up to the truth of the Messiah.
*Yes its good to be back on this forum. My ISP screwed up my connection for nearly a month.
Hi! Long time no see. My bad.
I would not say that Jewish faith is false. God did choose them to bear forth the Messiah Yeshua(Jesus). And Yeshua did say that He has came to fullfil the prophesies and laws of the Jews. Christianity did rise up from the Jewish faith. The Jews has yet to wake up to the truth of the Messiah.
*Yes its good to be back on this forum. My ISP screwed up my connection for nearly a month.
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arunma
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IceJad said:
Hello IceJad, it has been awhile, hasn't it? I'm glad to see you again.
Now as to the issue at hand, I would say that the Jewish religion is entirely false. This is my reason. You are correct to say that Christ Jesus arose from the Jews, and fulfilled the prophecies given to the Jews. But Christians are the spiritual descendants of Israel, and therefore the Jews are not. This is what Paul said about reading the Old Testament apart from Christ:
Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit. (2 Corinthians 3:12-18)
One cannot understand the Old Testament or gain truth from it apart from Jesus Christ. Also, let us remember that Judaism is not simply based on the Old Testament. Jews have centuries of tradition, apart from Christianity. Judaism is not "Christianity minus Jesus." It is an entirely different religion. I think that it has many merits of its own. But from a Christian perspective, I think that it is entirely false. Jesus is the litmus test for the truth of any religion, and Judaism does not meet it.
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billwald said:
Jerusalem means "foundations for peace" or "He will provide peace". "y'ru" from "yarah" to lay the foundations and "Salem" or "Shalaim" peace.
So the problem is not with "Jerusalem". The problem in my view is with man denying peace and God's truth.
We need to eliminate war with it's nuclear weapons and build peace on the planet then the human problem can be solved:
" They (the Prophets and Messengers of God) have laid the foundation of the oneness of God and summoned all to universal peace. All these holy, divine Manifestations are one. They have served one God, promulgated the same truth, founded the same institutions and reflected the same light. Their appearances have been successive and correlated; each one has announced and extolled the one who was to follow and all laid the foundation of reality. They summoned and invited the people to love and made the human world a mirror of the Word of God."
- Abdul-Baha
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem:
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May they prosper who love you.
Peace be within your walls,
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and security within your towers.
For the sake of my relatives and friends
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I will say, Peace be within you.
For the sake of the house of the Lord our God,
I will seek your good.
- Psalm 122: 6-9
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If Gehinnom is real then I will be there.arunma said:
When did I suggest that Jews believe in the condemnation of Christians?arunma said:
I find it quite odd that instead of quoting the words of Jesus you quote the words of Paul.arunma said:
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arunma
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peepnklown said:
If you find it odd, then I don't think you have the proper understanding of Christianity. Christians believe that everything Paul wrote in the canonical Bible has come from the mouth of God. So making a distinction between the words of Paul and the words of Jesus wouldn't carry much meaning to a Christian, since orthodox Christianity does not make the distinction that you have.
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Islam_mulia said:
Everything!! Just like you believe everything in the Qu'ran. You believe every revelation Mohammad told you; so, why can't we also believe everything Paul wrote. We both believe in God's intervention to bring about these two texts, Qu'ran and Bible, although for different reasons. To accept bits and pieces of our respective texts would essentially make them void. Would not you think?
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Actually God does have a holy city, and it is called the New Jerusalem and actually come down from heaven. It has 12 gates on the sides of its wall, and is shaped like a pyramid (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't know if this is all figurative or real. As we know 'eye has not seen nor heard the things which God has in store for us to them who believe'. Now we have already thought about science fiction accounts, with space craft as big as cities floating in the sky. Whether this is our human longing, I don't know, I haven't a clue. But Paul did tell us there were many ages yet to come and things to enjoy once we went to heaven. So sci-fi freaks could really enjoy heaven (all tongue in cheek responses it just makes you wonder, because God will do things which are past whatever we have already imagined can we imagine any more?)peepnklown said:God (the so-called creator of the universe) has a holy city? Youd think his holy whatever would be a bit grander, like the holy planetary system or holy asteroid belt.
When the Moshiach comes Ill see you in Gehinnom!
For starters try and imagine a new colour.
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Welcome IceJad, I haven't conversed with you yet. The bible did mention that the Jews would be in spiritual blindness until the fulness of the gentiles had come in. That is now happening because more Jews are coming either to Christianity or Messianic Judaism.IceJad said:
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IceJad
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O hi AlHannah. I think we talked before on a thread. But that doesn't matter. Nice to "see" you again.AlHannah said:
[John 9:39] Jesus said, "For judgement I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind." - NIV
I think this is the verse you're finding.
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billwald said:
Jerusalem problem could be resolved by drive the Jews the occupiers out of it. And out of the whole beloved Palestine.
Peace.
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