The Jellyfish in the brains of science deeply insult mankind.

[dad]

I like fishbowls.........

Great. Nothing wrong with the limits and nature and space we were put in. Just do not try to make it universal.

 

[dad]

admitting?? lol! as if it were a secret? It's a direct measurement method which is how we know other methods work too. It seems you can't (or won't?) see the forest for all those damned trees! That's your own doing.

Unless you support parallax, all of cosmology crumbles. Too bad you can't.

Of course time exists, it's just the trigonometry is "A-Time-ist", just like I'm "A-Theist" we get through our respective thing unhindered by such irrelevancies...

Time does exist and is part of all of our solar system and area. No one can take a slice of this time and space and then simply call it space alone, and draw a line to the stars trying to make the space and time (distance) equal.

At no stage have I ever claimed there was "no creation", I just don't have any reason to think it is a creation.

I use the word in context of Genesis and the bible with Jesus creating it just as it says.

.. Predictions that are then matched by observations!

You admitted fails in predictions in sn1987a.

You seem to think that only your religion can claim credit for creation microwave background. No.

How do you know? I thought in the beginning, "Formless Void" or something? That doesn't look like a universe that matched predictions made from a very hot dense plasma state... you're rubbing your own nose in it now...

Nope. The earth was without it's finished form. Not the universe! The stars were created later.

except we use it to observe distant galaxies that match the predictions based on exactly the same phenomena.

Baloney. The galaxies spin differently act differently and etc etc in many cases than theory expected. Science scrambles to cook up ever changing new stories to try and include the ever busting evidences!

Whatever bends light in the far universe looks exactly like the same thing we see bending light here!!

And a flashlight look like a star if it is far away. We do not go by what things look like to you. Sorry.

Incorrect, we have ALL the reasons to apply it universally, because it WORKS!

Nothing works anywhere but here.

Can we put the lack of your ability to point out your God in the same bucket as astronomers inability to point out an identifiable remnant??

No.

God pointed Himself out just fine. Stars don't do that. Instead they are interpreted by little cosmo dreamers that filter all things through godless insane lenses.

.. absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. That we haven't identified anything yet is not a failed prediction/expectation - if it turns out we learn something new and adjust the model to better represent reality, then Great!

Too bad the observations/evidence constantly, and predictably destroys your former beliefs eh? Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us many times, and shame on us. Your religion lost credibility. Sorry. Totally.

Now, Will you do the same for all the evidence for your religious interpretation being so demonstrably wrong when we observe your God's creation showing only things that contradict your view?

Creation is nip and tuck in absolute constant total agreement with how I read the bible.

Only your baseless beliefs falsely labeled science oppose them...and that matters not a whit.

Point him out then, might as well point out where Nebuchadnezzar walked the streets of Tyr as prophecised before it became a peninsular and not important anymore.

Old Neb is still around. You know that much? In the right time he will walk there...of course.

I've never seen a confirmed prophecy from the bible yet let alone 100%, that's hilarious!

You just can't recognize them.

What?? We learned things about the universe and adapted it to our model of the universe to make it more accurate?? lol! That's exactly what Science is supposed to do!!!

No. You claimed stuff and were busted...over and over and over and over and over. That gets tiresome.

If it didn't, then we might as well be a Religion spouting nonsense and irrelevant falsities as if they were true,

That is the quintessential definition of science!

never updating our knowledge in the face of facts that show it to be wrong..

Since you were wrong to start with you are not updating knowledge in any way. You are just tweaking a fable.

 

[Aman777]

So saying God doesn't cover it?

No, since Lord God which is translated from the Hebrew YHWH, is a singular name and God (Elohim-The Judges) is the plural name of God the invisible Spirit. If you don't know the difference between Jesus and His invisible Spiritual Father, you will NEVER understand Genesis.

All invented dreams inserted into the bible. No one thought that before a perceived need to make the bible fit what science taught..at any cost.

Projection, since that's what you always do. I support what I write with the agreement of Scripture with Science and History. It helps to eliminate the "invented dreams".

 

[Aman777]

So Adam would not have lived forever if he ate the tree of life, but was only alive on some temporary work visa? Ha.

Amen, since God knew before He made Adam that he would sin since Adam was made from the air, dust and water which was contaminated with death because it was made apart from God. Anything apart from God is subject to death, including Adam, the entire Cosmos and you. God sees the end from the beginning. Isa 46:10

 

[dad]

No, since Lord God which is translated from the Hebrew YHWH, is a singular name and God (Elohim-The Judges) is the plural name of God the invisible Spirit. If you don't know the difference between Jesus and His invisible Spiritual Father, you will NEVER understand Genesis.

That depends if Jesus is God. If so, then I find it unlikely you would be able to tell us the difference. But silly time wasting quibbling aside, the point was that we may have been made of dust by Him, but it wasn't stardust.

Projection, since that's what you always do. I support what I write with the agreement of Scripture with Science and History. It helps to eliminate the "invented dreams".

Except you invented the billions of years thingie.

 

[dad]

Amen, since God knew before He made Adam that he would sin since Adam was made from the air, dust and water which was contaminated with death because it was made apart from God. Anything apart from God is subject to death, including Adam, the entire Cosmos and you. God sees the end from the beginning. Isa 46:10

The tree of life was not reaalllly the tree of life then? What was it, some billion year own twig?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Unless you support parallax, all of cosmology crumbles. Too bad you can't.

Are you seriously going to declare all of mathematics to be wrong too?? lol!

Time does exist and is part of all of our solar system and area. No one can take a slice of this time and space and then simply call it space alone, and draw a line to the stars trying to make the space and time (distance) equal.

Yep! The ONLY WAY you can support your own faulty fantasies, is by declaring all of reality to be false?? HAHAhahahaha! oh, dear....

I use the word in context of Genesis and the bible with Jesus creating it just as it says.

Oh, well, we know that to be false - so that's literally a non-starter.

You admitted fails in predictions in sn1987a.

Nope, try again.

You seem to think that only your religion can claim credit for creation microwave background. No.

Nope! That's two strikes and two misses now....!

Nope. The earth was without it's finished form. Not the universe! The stars were created later.

And we know that's false too - Earth is made up of the remnants of earlier stars that went supernova - so necessarily had to come from the coalescing of material ejected from a star that lived and died in spectacular fashion before it.

Baloney. The galaxies spin differently act differently and etc etc in many cases than theory expected. Science scrambles to cook up ever changing new stories to try and include the ever busting evidences!

If by "cook up ever changing new stories", you mean "form the best model that fits reality", then Yes, yes we do. because that's what works.

And a flashlight look like a star if it is far away. We do not go by what things look like to you. Sorry.

to your layperson interpretation, sure. Not to those who know what they're looking at though.

Nothing works anywhere but here.

Bald assertion with no foundation (no, your fantasy wishes aren't a foundation, they are baseless conjecture).

No.

God pointed Himself out just fine.

He's done no such thing. I haven't seen him - I'll even go out on a limb and say You haven't seen him either. ( Exodus 33:20 )

Too bad the observations/evidence constantly, and predictably destroys your former beliefs eh? Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us many times, and shame on us. Your religion lost credibility. Sorry. Totally.

Wholly get that you don't understand reality - Same for your God, I guess.... for an allegedly omnipotent, omniscient being, he misses the mark every time...

Creation is nip and tuck in absolute constant total agreement with how I read the bible.

Only your baseless beliefs falsely labeled science oppose them...and that matters not a whit.

lol! Projection? Science has all the evidence, all you have is demonstrable ignorance.... and a fertile imagination...

Old Neb is still around. You know that much?

nope. Feel free to point him out tho since you hallucinate him too.

In the right time he will walk there...of course.

..... "One day, I'll be Right!" - dad.

You just can't recognize them.

Of Course! You have to have the right indoctrination into the right interpretation of the right religion, Right dad??

No. You claimed stuff and were busted...over and over and over and over and over. That gets tiresome.

Well, that just demonstrates your complete misunderstanding of how science works in the first place. It isn't like your interpretation of your religion where you have to be 100% committed to every faulty belief written down by people who had at least a 1700 year outdated understanding of how the universe worked.

That is the quintessential definition of science!

Nope, that's your religious interpretation to a "T", exactly what science doesn't do as you've already acknowledged.

Since you were wrong to start with you are not updating knowledge in any way. You are just tweaking a fable.

....which is updating knowledge, your jabby insults aside... nice of you to acknowledge the fact.

 

[dad]

Are you seriously going to declare all of mathematics to be wrong too?? lol!

Only when little letters like C for light speed or T for time or etc etc are used in the math that is supposed to represent the far universe. Fishbowl math is fine here IN the fishbowl.

And we know that's false too - Earth is made up of the remnants of earlier stars that went supernova - so necessarily had to come from the coalescing of material ejected from a star that lived and died in spectacular fashion before it.

Sorry you thought that you knew that story as fact. We see you can't tell the difference.

If by "cook up ever changing new stories", you mean "form the best model that fits reality", then Yes, yes we do. because that's what works.

Call it what you like. Te problem is that to 'reconstruct' reality after each of the inevitable predictable proven fails, you can only reach into your little fishbowl bag of tricks to pull out something else to try and patch up the ever busted fables.

to your layperson interpretation, sure. Not to those who know what they're looking at though.

The religiously indoctrinated are taught to believe certain things that form their belief about what the are seeing.

He's done no such thing. I haven't seen him - I'll even go out on a limb and say You haven't seen him either. ( Exodus 33:20 )

One minute you claim God is hidden from man, the next you quote His revealed word to man.

Wholly get that you don't understand reality - Same for your God, I guess.... for an allegedly omnipotent, omniscient being, he misses the mark every time...

I understand both actual reality, and your ever changing little fishbowl religious versions of it. There should be stiff fines for evos to even use the word.

Of Course! You have to have the right indoctrination into the right interpretation of the right religion, Right dad??

Believe what you like. Do not offer it as more than that.

Well, that just demonstrates your complete misunderstanding of how science works in the first place. It isn't like your interpretation of your religion where you have to be 100% committed to every faulty belief written down by people who had at least a 1700 year outdated understanding of how the universe worked.

There is no faulty beliefs in the bible. You seem to be admitting science is just a faulty belief?

....which is updating knowledge,

I would expect that that which is known fact would not need to be taken daily to the trash, where it gets traded for other garbage and sprayed with science scent perfume.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Only when little letters like C for light speed or T for time or etc etc are used in the math that is supposed to represent the far universe. Fishbowl math is fine here IN the fishbowl.

For you, sure. Excuse me while I go with well-evidenced science.

Sorry you thought that you knew that story as fact. We see you can't tell the difference.

I have Evidence, you have conjecture.

Call it what you like. Te problem is that to 'reconstruct' reality after each of the inevitable predictable proven fails, you can only reach into your little fishbowl bag of tricks to pull out something else to try and patch up the ever busted fables.

Projecting still, I see...

The religiously indoctrinated are taught to believe certain things that form their belief about what the are seeing.

Let me fix that for you: "The religiously indoctrinated are taught to believe certain things that form their belief despite what they are seeing, unlike science and rational thinkers." - Much better...

One minute you claim God is hidden from man, the next you quote His revealed word to man.

Nope, I quote what is claimed to be his revealed word to man despite never having been demonstrated as such.

I understand both actual reality, and your ever changing little fishbowl religious versions of it. There should be stiff fines for evos to even use the word.

No you don't, you have no understanding of actual reality, who are you kidding...?? lol!

Believe what you like. Do not offer it as more than that.

Sure. I believe you believe your prophecies are 100% fulfilled, just like Muslims believe their prophecies are 100% fulfilled, and the Jews believe their prophecies are 100% fulfilled, etc...

There is no faulty beliefs in the bible. You seem to be admitting science is just a faulty belief?

Well, I certainly grant that science (along with everyone's beliefs) are imperfect. Science though, has all the evidence and is the best way by which we can discern fact from fiction. Religion though is just assertion without foundation.

I would expect that that which is known fact would not need to be taken daily to the trash, where it gets traded for other garbage and sprayed with science scent perfume.

Facts aren't taken to the trash let alone traded for garbage, Science isn't a scent either, I know you with all these assertions and suppositions would suit you much better if they were true, but I know even you know your interpretation of your religion is untenable in the face of all the evidence to the contrary...

 

[dad]

For you, sure. Excuse me while I go with well-evidenced science.

I have Evidence, you have conjecture.

Projecting still, I see...

Let me fix that for you: "The religiously indoctrinated are taught to believe certain things that form their belief despite what they are seeing, unlike science and rational thinkers." - Much better...

Nope, I quote what is claimed to be his revealed word to man despite never having been demonstrated as such.

Jesus did the demo.

Sure. I believe you believe your prophecies are 100% fulfilled, just like Muslims believe their prophecies are 100% fulfilled, and the Jews believe their prophecies are 100% fulfilled, etc...

You believe science predictions fulfilled...Zzzz

Well, I certainly grant that science (along with everyone's beliefs) are imperfect. Science though, has all the evidence and is the best way by which we can discern fact from fiction. Religion though is just assertion without foundation.

You have no foundation to claim time exists as we know it here in deep space. No foundation to claim nature was the same on earth in the far past. You have assertions running amok.

Facts aren't taken to the trash let alone traded for garbage, Science isn't a scent either, I know you with all these assertions and suppositions would suit you much better if they were true, but I know even you know your interpretation of your religion is untenable in the face of all the evidence to the contrary...

So the stuff science discards as not valid anymore are not traded for more stuff that is also based on the same ground/fishbowl rules as the previous trash? The scent of science is quite detectable. The arrogant ignorance fragrance is smelt far and wide, regardless of whether the priests and disciples of science are so immersed in it they can't smell it.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Jesus did the demo.

Then you'd have to agree that nobody in the past 19 centuries or so has seen that demo...

You believe science predictions fulfilled...Zzzz

Nope, I have demonstrations of those predictions. You do too, every time you fire up your networked device to deny that science right there in your hands...

You have no foundation to claim time exists as we know it here in deep space. No foundation to claim nature was the same on earth in the far past. You have assertions running amok.

We have every foundation, that we can see the spectrum of light is but just one data point of that evidence...

So the stuff science discards as not valid anymore are not traded for more stuff that is also based on the same ground/fishbowl rules as the previous trash? The scent of science is quite detectable. The arrogant ignorance fragrance is smelt far and wide, regardless of whether the priests and disciples of science are so immersed in it they can't smell it.

LOL! STILL Projecting?? oh, dear... You keep ignoring the bit where science works & yields useful and practical results!

 

[dad]

Then you'd have to agree that nobody in the past 19 centuries or so has seen that demo...

Your religious opinions on life in general are off topic. It is the religious opinions related to science that are of import here.

Nope, I have demonstrations of those predictions. You do too, every time you fire up your networked device to deny that science right there in your hands...

Sorry, detecting some radiation in the universe is not a demo of your religious predictions any more than it is a demo that it was a creation remnant background. Your religious fantasy ALSO requires some background radiation...whoopee do.

We have every foundation, that we can see the spectrum of light is but just one data point of that evidence...

You see that here on earth. Not sure how you would cite fishbowl vision as evidence of...anything at all...in the far far far universe?

LOL! STILL Projecting?? oh, dear... You keep ignoring the bit where science works & yields useful and practical results!

Science is of the fishbowl and works in the fishbowl. That has no relation to your fantastic fables from the far side.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Your religious opinions on life in general are off topic. It is the religious opinions related to science that are of import here.

I don't have religious opinions aside I don't accept that claim...

Sorry, detecting some radiation in the universe is not a demo of your religious predictions any more than it is a demo that it was a creation remnant background. Your religious fantasy ALSO requires some background radiation...whoopee do.

Not just detecting a bit of radiation, we specifically predicted the type and amount of radiation that would be detected based on a model that matched and predicted a wide array of other observations and predictions. I have a feeling you're just being disingenuous in a vain attempt to play down the obvious, because you know you're wrong.

You see that here on earth. Not sure how you would cite fishbowl vision as evidence of...anything at all...in the far far far universe?

Because it matches the predictions we make! lol! I don't believe you seriously don't understand that - I get the US education system is pretty bad, but surely you couldn't have undone this much education that you can deny reality altogether... Come on!

Science is of the fishbowl and works in the fishbowl....

.... and everywhere else too....

....That has no relation to your fantastic fables from the far side.

Well, it does, and does so quite well - so good luck with that! lol!

 

[dad]

I don't have religious opinions aside I don't accept that claim...

You can call your demonstrated unsupportable beliefs anything you like and deny till the cows come home.

Not just detecting a bit of radiation, we specifically predicted the type and amount of radiation that would be detected based on a model that matched and predicted a wide array of other observations and predictions. I have a feeling you're just being disingenuous in a vain attempt to play down the obvious, because you know you're wrong.

Sorry, what you need/predict is not unique to some godless uncreated universe.

Because it matches the predictions we make! lol! I don't believe you seriously don't understand that - I get the US education system is pretty bad, but surely you couldn't have undone this much education that you can deny reality altogether... Come on!

Show your great education by showing us what was predicted that somehow negates a created universe and radiation fro that?

Let's review your religion has a long string of repeated failed predictions, and wild unsupportable claims, and declares 95% of the universe unknown dark stuff. Yet you beg us to believe anyhow.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

You can call your demonstrated unsupportable beliefs anything you like and deny till the cows come home.

why, Thank you. does it bother you that pretty much all the evidence supports my position and doesn't support yours?

Sorry, what you need/predict is not unique to some godless uncreated universe.

Show a working model for how it supports yours then - you won't have anything besides "Goddunnit!" because something that explains everything, effectively explains nothing. Scientific models on the other hand explain quite a lot, even if not everything and are therefore able to be practically applied to problems to give usable solutions, something you will never be able to do with your "Goddunnit!" model. Such a model gives no useful predictive results.

Show your great education by showing us what was predicted that somehow negates a created universe and radiation fro that?

Again for the umpteenth time, I never said this universe couldn't have been created. Work on your comprehension.

Let's review your religion has a long string of repeated failed predictions, and wild unsupportable claims, and declares 95% of the universe unknown dark stuff. Yet you beg us to believe anyhow.

Scientific theories and the models base on them consistently give predictive useful solutions. That's why your government along with all the governments worth their salt teach Science and scientific theories through their public education systems, it's because they have real world uses and consistently yield practically applicable solutions which have real world economic and technological advantages to them. Why do you think all those governments push the sciences through their education systems? Do you think the indian government hates Shiva & Brahma? Does the Saudi Arabian government hate Allah & his final prophet, Mohammed? Does the US government hate your particular interpretation of your particular version of your particular religion?

 

[dad]

why, Thank you. does it bother you that pretty much all the evidence supports my position and doesn't support yours?

If it wasn't the other way round it might. However the best strategy for evos at this juncture seems to be to study to learn what words actually mean, like evidence.

Show a working model for how it supports yours then - you won't have anything besides "Goddunnit!" because something that explains everything, effectively explains nothing. Scientific models on the other hand explain quite a lot, even if not everything and are therefore able to be practically applied to problems to give usable solutions, something you will never be able to do with your "Goddunnit!" model. Such a model gives no useful predictive results.

I am not here to pretend little man has all the knowledge of the workings of God and creation. Science has stod up to proclaim it knows about where we came from. I simply showed that this was a vile religioous claim with no merit in fact.

I never said this universe couldn't have been created.

Then say something! Was it? Or not? What, if anything are you saying?

Scientific theories and the models base on them consistently give predictive useful solutions.

For the origins issues they give false prophesies, failed so called predictions, and hand waving ra ra ra go team go stump speeches.

That's why your government along with all the governments worth their salt teach Science and scientific theories through their public education systems, it's because they have real world uses and consistently yield practically applicable solutions which have real world economic and technological advantages to them.

Are you suggesting governments are good and know best? I suggest they have agenda to please the people and fool the people and rule the people, and molest the people in some cases...such as in Canada where the government set up the church to run the first nations schools and mass molestation ensued.

Why do you think all those governments push the sciences through their education systems?

Their father inspires them?

Do you think the indian government hates Shiva & Brahma? Does the Saudi Arabian government hate Allah & his final prophet, Mohammed? Does the US government hate your particular interpretation of your particular version of your particular religion?

Not sure why anyone cares what the government pushes? They are a bunch of crooks and cons in large measure who are easy tools of the dark side.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

If it wasn't the other way round it might. However the best strategy for evos at this juncture seems to be to study to learn what words actually mean, like evidence.

Lemme guess, we should equate 'evidence' with 'baseless and unfounded imagination' like you do?

I am not here to pretend little man has all the knowledge of the workings of God and creation. Science has stod up to proclaim it knows about where we came from. I simply showed that this was a vile religioous claim with no merit in fact.

You've showed no such thing. The facts are, we can predict, and have predicted numerous things about the universe around us based on the science involved. Religion (yours included) has not predicted anything useful. Ever.

Then say something! Was it? Or not? What, if anything are you saying?

Again, I don't know how the universe got started. Both science and all the various religions have ideas or claims respectively, but nothing that can be tested either way. I have to say though, given science has a verified history of successful predictions over all religions by far, I'd be inclined to have a soft opinion that follows scientific models if one ever becomes testable, though any testable model (scientific or religious) that passes such testing would do.

For the origins issues they give false prophesies, failed so called predictions, and hand waving ra ra ra go team go stump speeches.

Well, that's just wishful nonsense on your part. These models work, no matter what you imagine in your fantasy universe.

Are you suggesting governments are good and know best? I suggest they have agenda to please the people and fool the people and rule the people, and molest the people in some cases...such as in Canada where the government set up the church to run the first nations schools and mass molestation ensued.

Their father inspires them?

It's because it provides real economical and technical benefits, it softens the burden on the health and welfare systems by maximising medical sciences and enabling better food production and creates a technological and science export opportunities that in turn benefit the citizens of that nation.... but I suspect you know this quite well.

Not sure why anyone cares what the government pushes? They are a bunch of crooks and cons in large measure who are easy tools of the dark side.

Ahh, a conspiracy theorist... Well, I'll have to let you walk that road alone. Excuse me while I carry on with reality.

 

[dad]

Lemme guess, we should equate 'evidence' with 'baseless and unfounded imagination' like you do?

That depends, are we talking about the cunningly devised fables of your religion and what they call evidence, or are we talking actual evidence?

You've showed no such thing. The facts are, we can predict, and have predicted numerous things about the universe around us based on the science involved. Religion (yours included) has not predicted anything useful. Ever.

Facts are you failed routinely and predictably. Fact is your religion seeks to take credit for and explain away creation with any ever changing hogwash it needs to grasp onto in an ever changing frenzy of deception and obfuscation and denial.

Again, I don't know how the universe got started. Both science and all the various religions have ideas or claims respectively, but nothing that can be tested either way. I have to say though, given science has a verified history of successful predictions over all religions by far, I'd be inclined to have a soft opinion that follows scientific models if one ever becomes testable, though any testable model (scientific or religious) that passes such testing would do.

So you don't know, yet preach a certain way. OK.

Well, that's just wishful nonsense on your part. These models work, no matter what you imagine in your fantasy universe.

N. They don't. They are shoved into the fishbowl philosophy and physics box, and seem like a fit to your religion.

'95% of the universe is invisible dark stuff or energy...that fits!'

It's because it provides real economical and technical benefits,

Origins provides nothing ever in any way whatsoever and never will. Unless you count fable making make work projects as benefits?

it softens the burden on the health and welfare systems by maximising medical sciences and enabling better food production and creates a technological and science export opportunities that in turn benefit the citizens of that nation.... but I suspect you know this quite well.

Strange delusion.

Ah, a conspiracy theorist...

The kingdoms of the world are ruled by Satan at the moment, although he has certain limits. Sorry to inform you it is not all heaven and laughter and truth on earth right now, as much as that seems like a conspiracy to the uninformed.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

That depends, are we talking about the cunningly devised fables of your religion and what they call evidence, or are we talking actual evidence?

Obviously evidence because 'cunningly devised fables of my religion' is a made up non-existent thing.

Facts are you failed routinely and predictably. Fact is your religion seeks to take credit for and explain away creation with any ever changing hogwash it needs to grasp onto in an ever changing frenzy of deception and obfuscation and denial.

Easy to fix then, provide some evidence for your fantasy interpretations.

So you don't know, yet preach a certain way. OK.

I haven't preached anything at all about the cause of the universe, that's an outright false statement. So much for "christian values", or do you subscribe to the "it's okay to Lie for Jesus!" school of thought?

N. They don't. They are shoved into the fishbowl philosophy and physics box, and seem like a fit to your religion.

If your electronics work for you to be able to post here on the internet, then yes, it works. That's hands-down proof you're deluded to think otherwise. Funnily enough, these conditions match perfectly with our observations of the far universe. You can't explain it otherwise, yet you'll stand fast on these deluded ideas without any supporting foundation whatsoever - which is why you'll rightly be seen as a crank by rational people.

'95% of the universe is invisible dark stuff or energy...that fits!'

Well, Science is all about explaining reality as best it can, and that's what reality tells us. Would you be more comfortable if Science just made bald assertions without foundation and doggedly stuck to it despite any evidence to the contrary, like you and most other religions and religious interpretations in general?

Origins provides nothing ever in any way whatsoever and never will. Unless you count fable making make work projects as benefits?

Yep, it sure does. Vaccines, drug and treatment testing, study of cures for cancer and other genetic diseases, so on. It seems those science 'fables' are providing real-world benefits every day...

Strange delusion.

lol! No refutation of the facts then.

The kingdoms of the world are ruled by Satan at the moment, although he has certain limits. Sorry to inform you it is not all heaven and laughter and truth on earth right now, as much as that seems like a conspiracy to the uninformed.

Definitely a conspiracy, uninfomed as I am... Just to point out though, it isn't me denying a universe of facts and evidence billions and billions of light years across to protect an obviously deluded worldview based on an untenable interpretation of a religion...



Us rational people aren't impaired by a foggy disbelief of reality and what it tells us. We're free to follow the evidence where it leads without the tainted apriory beliefs that lead to false views of the universe we're in. Thankfully, that's why scientists are able to give real-world solutions to real-world problems all day, every day. We don't have to worry about some invisible fantasy universe of demons, spirits and magical goings on in some ethereal plain as if it were happening right here... hilarious! I often wonder how people like you make their way through life, tbh...

 

[dad]

Obviously evidence because 'cunningly devised fables of my religion' is a made up non-existent thing

Science does exist.

Easy to fix then, provide some evidence for your fantasy interpretations.

Science of man is too small to handles it. To top it off they have rejected the truth of God from the outset, so they miss the truth in all they see. Their inventions are lying vanities when it comes to their anti creation fables.

I haven't preached anything at all about the cause of the universe, that's an outright false statement.

Science does though and you have been blindly and loudly cheer leading for it's whoppers.

If your electronics work for you to be able to post here on the internet, then yes, it works. That's hands-down proof you're deluded to think otherwise. Funnily enough, these conditions match perfectly with our observations of the far universe.

? Nonsensical rambling. Nothing about our phones or tv has anything to do with deep space.

You can't explain it otherwise, yet you'll stand fast on these deluded ideas without any supporting foundation whatsoever - which is why you'll rightly be seen as a crank by rational people.

Yes I can explain it easily. Science is totally out to lunch and must remain in the absolute dark and can never possible find the truth despite their frenzied learning. The world and stars were created.

Well, Science is all about explaining reality as best it can, and that's what reality tells us.

They are about explaining away creation, and inventing godless whoppers for pay. Hired denizens of darkness.

Would you be more comfortable if Science just made bald assertions without foundation and doggedly stuck to it despite any evidence to the contrary, like you and most other religions and religious interpretations in general?

Science is about deception and instilling doubt in creation. They religiously strive to make their cunning devised fables believable by trying to incorporate partial knowledge and truths in with the woven web of directly Satan inspired demon talk.

Yep, it sure does. Vaccines, drug and treatment testing, study of cures for cancer and other genetic diseases, so on. It seems those science 'fables' are providing real-world benefits every day...

None at all of which have the remotest connection to origin fables.

Definitely a conspiracy, uninfomed as I am...

Do you feel that mankind all through history was engaged in some conspiracy in saying spirits lived?

Just to point out though, it isn't me denying a universe of facts and evidence billions and billions of light years across to protect an obviously deluded worldview based on an untenable interpretation of a religion...

There are no billions of light years that is all in your head and part of a religion of darkness.

Us rational people aren't impaired by a foggy disbelief of reality and what it tells us.

Us either.

We're free to follow the evidence where it leads without the tainted apriory beliefs that lead to false views of the universe we're in

The evidences cannot lead. What leads origin fable manufacturing is the religious criteria by which they weld facts, and filter all things.

. Thankfully, that's why scientists are able to give real-world solutions to real-world problems all day, every day.

Which has zero to do with godless origin sciences.

We don't have to worry about some invisible fantasy universe of demons, spirits and magical goings on in some ethereal plain as if it were happening right here.

Denying spirits which have been a matter of almost universal historical knowledge and record, and doing so with not a shred of evidence is lunacy. Science creams out at God 'we will remake the universe in our image, and leave you out of all our knowledge, and deny all miracles without evidence, and religiously model a universe void of any spiritual elements at all.