The Jellyfish in the brains of science deeply insult mankind.

[dad]

Verification?

Sorry, did I question the belief that jellyfish are my ancestors, and what is preached by so called science on the issue?

You do share that belief, no? Or are you agnostic about the beliefs of science as well as those of God? Do tell.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Really insulted? I don't think so. However I should point out the even a jellyfish knows more about origins and creation than science. They do not think man came from them. Yet I assume you think you share relatives with them?

Jellyfish are not in our ancestral line.

 

[dad]

Jellyfish are not in our ancestral line.

You share ancestors?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Showing science is beliefs is the name of the game

Well, you fail at that game then...

Common sense and reason and logic would do it.

Right. Just like common sense used to tell us the sun, moon and stars all went around the earth, and the earth stood still and firm, right?

Denial is one of the earmarks of the religion. You display it

Nope, Projection - you're still all confused...

Why would I want to do religion? The important thing is exposing origin s called science as lies and fables. Too long have they blasphemed God.

They've done nothing of the sort - unless your faulty interpretation of your religion demands it? I do agree that religion does require denial of various sorts - depending on your flavour...

Reality as defined by your religion?

Nope, as defined by reality. Observable, testable reality.

Nations must do stuff for God...not the other way round.

And I'm sure many do. Been to Saudi Arabia? Iran? Thailand? Sri Lanka?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion

The consequences of man's choices. When He intervenes and overrules it, such consequences will not exist any more. It is time to admit your error.

Not in the Least. Until now, Man had no say in how God punished us in this fallen world - now we've been able to take matters into our own hands and correct what used to be uncorrectable, you don't seem to like it! Well, Tough! We took it on ourselves to fix non-binary gender because it was obvious nobody else will do it... Now, those born half male/female, or both, or neither now have a recourse they didn't before. A prime example of science tackling and overcoming a problem some people never (thought would be/wanted) fixed, depending on your disposition.

Exceptions due to defects aside, the sex change operations are for those with other issues than birth defects. Be honest.

No! No, Try it sometime, see how far you get (unless you find a third-world surgery somewhere) before being referred to a psychologist to get assessed as such. Just go into a surgery on a spare day and tell them you want a sex-change operation because you just want to see what it's like. One of two things, you'll be committed for some mental condition (I rate this), or you'll start a lengthy assessment and a criteria hurdling 5 to 10 year exercise of extensive gene & hormone therapy to prepare you for the process of an actual gender change - some of which will require you to dress, act and live as the opposite sex years before a scalpel is even lifted in anger.

Pointing to the bible to cover greed and sin is nothing new.

Nice of you to acknowledge that...

Great, so stop the world.

...or do what you can, where and when you can. I hope you don't own any apple products, do you? I don't.

Slightly off-topic, of course given these chinese workers technically have the right to not go to work, just as they do in the states, but I agree that working conditions for those who need to work for whatever reason is still not humane in the least.

What woman?

Whatever woman was brought before tohe Priest to be judged. Incidentally, do you know what recourse the woman has if the claim winds up false, and she doesn't miscarry?

No more than tom thumb is science.

Call it names all you like, it's still the same science.

Modern so called science is destined to be an everlasting blot and shame on the human experience.

Dream on.... It's the best thing to happen to us. I challenge you tho to drop everything you enjoy, go back to eating non man-made bananas, wheat and barley before man modified it, in fact, any food before we got to it (there isn't much left that we haven't severely genetically modified through breeding & selecting) - Drop all the technology you enjoy, fuels you use (besides possibly wood and some oils), drop all the medical technology and treatments derived out of the last 400 years, and see how you go.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

He has a corroborate witness, well technically about 4 billion of them, as well as physical structures, documentation, archeological evidence .

No, he doesn't. I just referenced the physical structures, documentation and archaeological evidence that shows us a very different timeline.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

He was a famous person born about 101 years after the flood.

Righto, part of the bible narrative, then he'll only be famous to people who believe the Bible, that'll be why he doesn't ring a bell...

Your beliefs are not evidence. Radioactive dates are only as good as the belief nature was the same.

Ahh, now THAT'S a Belief. Radioactive decay rates are not a belief though, they are substantive, tangible, observable and measurable pieces of evidence - as are lake varves showing seasonal runoff, ice cores showing 6 monthly day/night cycles in the trapped permafrost going back literally hundreds of thousands of years, dendrochronology dating back 14,00 years, so on. All are real and observable evidence we can look at and measure today.... unlike the fanciful claims based off your particular interpretations of your particular religious texts.

Since Adam was the first man, not sure who you think would notice? Most of those who would have noticed the flood, noticed that they died in it.

Well, there seems to be a lot of people that didn't then, The Chinese didn't die, the Indians didn't die, Aboriginals and Africans didn't die - all have cultures, history and written records maintained right throughout the time of this supposed worldwide flood, just as if there wasn't a worldwide flood after all.

You don't like evidence, do you? It's a bit of a bugbear of yours, I can tell.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Chaff is the part of the wheat that is cast off / away as useless and the tares is an all together different plant that looks like wheat.
(Not really reliant to our discussion ) just an interesting side note.

Oh, right. I can't say I've heard of that saying anywhere tbh, but there you go. I found it online as a bible reference, so I guess you'd have to be pretty deep into scripture to have thought it to be the other way around, but you're right, we digress.

Peer review, can be a good thing for certain but I think science is FINALLY getting to a better point with CS Science its a wonderful new branch of science that will garner much better results because of less political, financial and social biases being involved with the final results.

The scientific maethod and peer review only has value if the results are concordant with reality. What bad science has made it to peer review generally gets found out as such, and dropped because, again, no value. What is CS Science, and why would that make anything better?

I would imagine that one of your main issues / problem with "Religion" is how people act when they try and convince you of the rightness of their position and disregard YOU in the process of that convincing i.e. sometimes people are well intended and go about trying to do "the right thing" in the WRONG way. Sometimes it is NOT what people say but how they say it, and on behalf of all "Christian-dom" those that have acted NOT Christlike towards you I offer my apology, Just because we might disagree does NOT mean we need to be disagreeable.

I don't think disregarding my points of view (or even me as a person tbh) in matters of truth are a bad thing - after all, I want to know true things about our reality while discarding false things of the same just as much. Thank you for the apology nonetheless though, but I don't think it's necessary.

To come to any TRUTH an objective approach needs taken , and whatever evidence is being presented or is available evaluate it on a case by case basis using the best tools at your disposal. Either Spiritual or Scientific discuss your findings with those that you can relate to and you can have some open dialogue and discussions with those that you basically can have mutual respect and understanding with.

I get scientific, because that has hard definitions, and can be identified whenever and wherever required - but how would we go about using 'spiritual' tools? What is 'spiritual' to you anyway? The thing with Science, is I could talk my evidence and/or observations to any scientists trained in the field for which I'm researching and they could replicate my research findings, or for that matter, they should be able to recreate the entire experiment, obtaining their own data/measurements/observations and redo the research from the start coming to the same conclusion - this will happen across the board, regardless of race, regligion, nationality, language spoken, etc. but this isn't the same for 'Spiritual' from what I can see - what if I had an experience, documented it in great detail, then discussed it with a spiritual leader of Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and Judaism - I can guarantee I'll have a different conclusion from all of them - heck, I'll have different interpretations to 5 spiritual leaders of the same faith! So somewhere before this 'Spiritual' step, there has to be a way to discern truth from fiction, otherwise it simply becomes a useless exercise. How do we do this?

As far as not enough evidence there are a LOT of Scientific Theories being moved about some with a preponderance of evidence and some without, but the theory only becomes valid / TRUTH after it is tested and proven TRUE if you are unwilling to test it then you will never know if it is true or not. There are a lot of things Science does not have the answers to yet, but perhaps one day they will. Is "Religion" or God "falsifiable" well depends on who you ask and what "evidence / tools" you use.

Sure. but I think you misunderstand Scientific Theories. A Scientific Theory is already the result of a wide range of tests and supporting results, all that correlate, and none that disprove the theory in question, they wouldn't be scientific theories otherwise. If you note there are quite a few being bandied about, then it's because they are well supported Theories - a Scientific Theory is the pinnacle of Science. It generally (but not always) contains Facts, evidence, scientific laws, other scientific theories, mathematical formula, measurements and observations.

I agree that the supernatural is untestable by science, unless of course said supernatural acts in reality we experience in any way.

Just know that for now those that are "trying to" "Help" you see the light are "trying" to do what they believe is right and they don't mean to insult " Forgive them, for they know, NOT what they do" .

thanks, I do know this to be the case for a majority of them, but I suspect a very vocal few. aren't here to help.

Matthew 13:24-30 King James Version (KJV)

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Cool, thank you!

 

[dad]

Right. Just like common sense used to tell us the sun, moon and stars all went around the earth, and the earth stood still and firm, right?

No.

Nope, as defined by reality. Observable, testable reality.

Actual reality and support of a science claim can be posted. You merely recite the words as if running through some ritual on beads or something.

And I'm sure many do. Been to Saudi Arabia? Iran? Thailand? Sri Lanka?

I said God...not gods.

Not in the Least. Until now, Man had no say in how God punished us in this fallen world - now we've been able to take matters into our own hands and correct what used to be uncorrectable, you don't seem to like it! Well, Tough! We took it on ourselves to fix non-binary gender because it was obvious nobody else will do it... Now, those born half male/female, or both, or neither now have a recourse they didn't before. A prime example of science tackling and overcoming a problem some people never (thought would be/wanted) fixed, depending on your disposition.

On your justification on fighting nature...phooey.

No! No, Try it sometime, see how far you get (unless you find a third-world surgery somewhere) before being referred to a psychologist to get assessed as such. Just go into a surgery on a spare day and tell them you want a sex-change operation because you just want to see what it's like. One of two things, you'll be committed for some mental condition (I rate this), or you'll start a lengthy assessment and a criteria hurdling 5 to 10 year exercise of extensive gene & hormone therapy to prepare you for the process of an actual gender change - some of which will require you to dress, act and live as the opposite sex years before a scalpel is even lifted in anger.

I see. So you seem to be saying that part of medical procedure today is spending years in deep sin.

...or do what you can, where and when you can. I hope you don't own any apple products, do you? I don't.

Ha. I am not sure that all other companies are pure as the driven snow either.

Slightly off-topic, of course given these chinese workers technically have the right to not go to work, just as they do in the states, but I agree that working conditions for those who need to work for whatever reason is still not humane in the least.

Thank goodness for the right to starve to death I guess.

Whatever woman was brought before tohe Priest to be judged. Incidentally, do you know what recourse the woman has if the claim winds up false, and she doesn't miscarry?

I know it is a serious thing to lie to the Holy Spirit. In the new testament we see Ananias and Saphira got a fresh lesson on that.

Call it names all you like, it's still the same science.

Label fables any way you like, it is still not knowledge and fact and science.

Dream on.... It's the best thing to happen to us. I challenge you tho to drop everything you enjoy, go back to eating non man-made bananas, wheat and barley before man modified it, in fact, any food before we got to it (there isn't much left that we haven't severely genetically modified through breeding & selecting) - Drop all the technology you enjoy, fuels you use (besides possibly wood and some oils), drop all the medical technology and treatments derived out of the last 400 years, and see how you go.

Believers may use this world, and we are to try and take care not to abuse it. There is good and evil that has come to the world through science as there is in the medical fields.

 

[dad]

Righto, part of the bible narrative, then he'll only be famous to people who believe the Bible, that'll be why he doesn't ring a bell...

No problem.

I find his time quite interesting. In his days, the earth was divided. In his days Noah lived still. In his days, by many accounts the tower of Babel happened. In his days lifespans of mankind took a nosedive of incredible proportions. (some have said that was at the time of the flood, but a simple graph shows it was in Peleg's time) In his days Greece, and Egypt and Babylon had their start! And, I deduce that probably in his days also the nature change on earth happened!

Ahh, now THAT'S a Belief. Radioactive decay rates are not a belief though, they are substantive, tangible, observable and measurable pieces of evidence - as are lake varves showing seasonal runoff, ice cores showing 6 monthly day/night cycles in the trapped permafrost going back literally hundreds of thousands of years, dendrochronology dating back 14,00 years, so on.

Radioactivity and decay are quite real and do happen...today.

You need to prove nature was the same to have it happen in the far past though. Same with the deposition rate/methods of varves or ice. Trees used to grow in weeks, so rings at that time were not representing the seasonal yearly time that they now grow in in this present state/nature.
Claiming otherwise is unsupportable.

Well, there seems to be a lot of people that didn't then, The Chinese didn't die, the Indians didn't die, Aboriginals and Africans didn't die - all have cultures, history and written records maintained right throughout the time of this supposed worldwide flood, just as if there wasn't a worldwide flood after all.

Were they before Egypt? Ha.

You have no evidence do you? Yet you can't admit it.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

No.

.....BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahaha! Cognitive Dissonance much? It's even in your bible! Unless of course, it's an Allegory and not meant Literally?? lol!

Actual reality and support of a science claim can be posted. You merely recite the words as if running through some ritual on beads or something.

I've posted you references and links to the evidence, you just won't acknowledge it and demand it's all lies - even though we get useful predictive results from that science all the time... You make me laugh!

I said God...not gods.

Yours is one of many, many gods. It wasn't the first by far, and won't be the last. Deal with it.

On your justification on fighting nature...phooey.

so no comeback then? Noted.

I see. So you seem to be saying that part of medical procedure today is spending years in deep sin.

Sin? Isn't that specific to your religion? It only applies to you and believers of such a demonstrably incorrect doctrine. I'm not even convinced your God exists, so if he wants me to abide by such subjective & arbitrary rules, then he ought to let me know he exists.

Ha. I am not sure that all other companies are pure as the driven snow either.

Correct - and of course you'd be remiss to not exercise due diligence to ensure you aren't supporting such entities, surely you do, right?

Thank goodness for the right to starve to death I guess.

it's a free world... unless you have a God to worship for eternity...

I know it is a serious thing to lie to the Holy Spirit. In the new testament we see Ananias and Saphira got a fresh lesson on that.

non-sequitur. What is the woman's recourse if she doesn't miscarry after drinking the bitter waters for the accusation of infidelity?

Label fables any way you like, it is still not knowledge and fact and science.

Well, you're demonstrably wrong. I'm going with the science. All of it.

Believers may use this world, and we are to try and take care not to abuse it. There is good and evil that has come to the world through science as there is in the medical fields.

bible gives us good and evil too - in fact, your God lays claim to having created it. If he loves us, why would he bestow us with evil too?

No problem.

I find his time quite interesting. In his days, the earth was divided. In his days Noah lived still. In his days, by many accounts the tower of Babel happened. In his days lifespans of mankind took a nosedive of incredible proportions. (some have said that was at the time of the flood, but a simple graph shows it was in Peleg's time) In his days Greece, and Egypt and Babylon had their start! And, I deduce that probably in his days also the nature change on earth happened!

I think you misunderstand - Peleg is a fictional character - or is of so little importance as to have missed out on all of the written and archaeological records we have ever found for all of the cultures we've ever unearthed. Show me any extra-biblical record of such a ruler in history please.

Radioactivity and decay are quite real and do happen...today.

You need to prove nature was the same to have it happen in the far past though. Same with the deposition rate/methods of varves or ice. Trees used to grow in weeks, so rings at that time were not representing the seasonal yearly time that they now grow in in this present state/nature.
Claiming otherwise is unsupportable.

they also happened billions and billions of years ago, which we can literally see in real time today whenever we swing a telescope to the night sky. There's the evidence you don't want to acknowledge - that we can see it the same as it happened billions of years ago.

Were they before Egypt? Ha.

Maybe. The cradle of civilisation is not considered to be a single place, because it seems to have developed independently several times at several places, both middle east and Asia being just two of. The middle east has been long associated with the cradle of civilisation, as has both India and China, and there are quite a few scholars and archaeologists following that at the very least, bronze metallurgy and agriculture (if not the people themselves) were shared among them as early as 2300bce. Using China as one example, the western asian rulers of the northern egyptian territories (Hyksos), who invaded, settled there and either appropriated these technologies when they were eventually expelled back to Asia/China, and/or took egyptian natives with them is a prime well-substantiated historical record. Nobody doubts that they came to ancient egypt as asians before incorporating each others' civilisation techniques and reappropriating that combined civilisation as their own in both Asia and Ancient Egypt (and possibly India along the way).

You have no evidence do you? Yet you can't admit it.

Evidence for what? Chinese being Chinese before civilisation? Sure!

https://www.ancient.eu/Hyksos/
https://www.quora.com/Which-ancient...-the-Chinese-and-how-far-back-did-they-extend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization​

I like our talks, dad... I learn new things all the time while debunking your nefarious and unsubstantiated claims...

 

[dad]

.....BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahaha! Cognitive Dissonance much? It's even in your bible! Unless of course, it's an Allegory and not meant Literally?? lol

Chapter and verse?

I've posted you references and links to the evidence, you just won't acknowledge it and demand it's all lies - even though we get useful predictive results from that science all the time... You make me laugh!

Calling unfounded beliefs evidence doesn't change anything.

Yours is one of many, many gods.

Says you. I do not call demons God.

Correct - and of course you'd be remiss to not exercise due diligence to ensure you aren't supporting such entities, surely you do, right?

Not really. We can make an effort, but the whole world lies in sin, so we should not expect that a boycott will save the planet or anyone else.

it's a free world... unless you have a God to worship for eternity...

Looks like we have a different definition or worship also.

non-sequitur. What is the woman's recourse if she doesn't miscarry after drinking the bitter waters for the accusation of infidelity?

You mean what WAS her recourse. That was written to ancient Israel. I think her best option would be truth.

bible gives us good and evil too - in fact, your God lays claim to having created it. If he loves us, why would he bestow us with evil too?

Maybe to appreciate the good. Who knows all His reasons? If it was never dark how would we appreciate the light?

I think you misunderstand - Peleg is a fictional character

No. He is in the record. Not sure what records you think he should be in that predate Egypt?

they also happened billions and billions of years ago, which we can literally see in real time today whenever we swing a telescope to the night sky.

You see it in what you call real time. In other words fishbowl time. Time here on earth. The billions of years thing is your belief only and based on the unsupportable assumption time is the same in all the universe.

Maybe. The cradle of civilisation is not considered to be a single place, because it seems to have developed independently several times at several places, both middle east and Asia being just two of. The middle east has been long associated with the cradle of civilisation, as has both India and China, and there are quite a few scholars and archaeologists following that at the very least, bronze metallurgy and agriculture (if not the people themselves) were shared among them as early as 2300bce. Using China as one example, the western asian rulers of the northern egyptian territories (Hyksos), who invaded, settled there and either appropriated these technologies when they were eventually expelled back to Asia/China, and/or took egyptian natives with them is a prime well-substantiated historical record. Nobody doubts that they came to ancient egypt as asians before incorporating each others' civilisation techniques and reappropriating that combined civilisation as their own in both Asia and Ancient Egypt (and possibly India along the way).

People spread out after the tower of Babel.

Naturally several civilizations started to spring up.

Evidence for what? Chinese being Chinese before civilisation? Sure!

https://www.ancient.eu/Hyksos/
https://www.quora.com/Which-ancient...-the-Chinese-and-how-far-back-did-they-extend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization​

From your second link..
(talking of China and Egypt)
" I would say that both civilizations are of the same age."

I like our talks, dad... I learn new things all the time while debunking your nefarious and unsubstantiated claims...

Good to think I guess.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Chapter and verse?

Take your pick - from : http://www.testingtheglobe.com/bible.html - there's too much to copy/paste. Do you interpret any of these to mean a literal firmament with windows to let in/shut out the rain, on an earth set upon foundational molten pillars?

Calling unfounded beliefs evidence doesn't change anything.

Of course not - the Evidence is what does it - that's why I want you to address the Evidence!

Says you. I do not call demons God.

Satanists would say the other way round. Same with Islam and Judaism. How do you know you have the God and they have Demons beside your opinion? In fact, how do you even know Gods and Demons are real?

Not really. We can make an effort, but the whole world lies in sin, so we should not expect that a boycott will save the planet or anyone else.

so you don't bother then? Noted. If only we could get a few million people like you to think differently, you'd make a massive difference. Irony of the highest order.

Looks like we have a different definition or worship also.

Well, I don't worship, so not particularly fussed - but it is mentioned that this would be your eternal task on arriving in heaven.

You mean what WAS her recourse. That was written to ancient Israel. I think her best option would be truth.

Nope. there's no mention of her opinion being considered anywhere. Biblically, her testimony is only half that of his, so his say so is all the Priest would care about. So if I suspected my wife of infidelity for whatever reason I thought, and I take her to the priest to be forced that bitter water cocktail that would make her unwell enough to cause a miscarry - and she didn't abort her pregnancy, but just got sick for a few days, then all good? Her fault for being a woman?

Maybe to appreciate the good. Who knows all His reasons? If it was never dark how would we appreciate the light?

Do you beat your wife and kids so they know how good they have it? That's absolutely Asinine.

No. He is in the record. Not sure what records you think he should be in that predate Egypt?

No he isn't, he's only in the Bible. Same with Moses and Noah. King Nebuchadnezzar and his failed prophet made it into history though...

Here, Start with this list & point out where you think your biblical characters lived and major events occurred:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharaohs​

Oh, Maybe you could point out why the ENTIRE CIVILISATION of ANCIENT EGYPT doesn't ever reference your God, not even once?

You see it in what you call real time. In other words fishbowl time. Time here on earth. The billions of years thing is your belief only and based on the unsupportable assumption time is the same in all the universe.

Not at all. you have no evidence for your magical state past for a start, and all the measurements, observations and evidence we have (you know, ALL the support) would only correlate if there was the same state past as there is now. I know you'll fail to grasp why, you always do.

People spread out after the tower of Babel.

Naturally several civilizations started to spring up.

Well the evidence indicates otherwise.

From your second link..
(talking of China and Egypt)
" I would say that both civilizations are of the same age."

Right...(?) I said that - don't you read my responses?? What does it take to make a civilisation - perhaps people already in the area? I tell you what doesn't happen though, people who speak different languages don't all wander off to different parts of the world. Wherever they are, will become multicultural and they all tend to speak and learn each others' languages until or unless one language becomes prominent from among them. You then also have to account for why we can trace back all the various languages as they evolve from previous languages for as long as we've had written history. At no point did they all just appear at once.

https://theoreticalecology.wordpres...pansion-of-the-indo-european-language-family/
​

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you interpret any of these to mean a literal firmament with windows to let in/shut out the rain, on an earth set upon foundational molten pillars?

Let's go with a figure of speech on this one.

How about ... by "windows" ... God means an insertion (or arrival) point, preset by Him before Earth was even created, for the points on the earth by which the waters "above the firmament" are to return?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Let's go with a figure of speech on this one.

How about ... by "windows" ... God means an insertion (or arrival) point, preset by Him before Earth was even created, for the points on the earth by which the waters "above the firmament" are to return?

so not literal after all?

 

[AV1611VET]

so not literal after all?

That would be correct.

 

[Aman777]

Let's go with a figure of speech on this one.

How about ... by "windows" ... God means an insertion (or arrival) point, preset by Him before Earth was even created, for the points on the earth by which the waters "above the firmament" are to return?

Scripturally, Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven, was a solid expanse with a metallic like covering or boundary of Adam's entire Universe. This solid firmament had windows in the top of it. When the windows on high were opened, it rained for 40 days and nights and the bottom half of Adam's firmament filled with water and sank. This released the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake 11k years ago in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. That's God's Truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

Scripturally, Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven, was a solid expanse with a metallic like covering or boundary of Adam's entire Universe. This solid firmament had windows in the top of it. When the windows on high were opened, it rained for 40 days and nights and the bottom half of Adam's firmament filled with water and sank. This released the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake 11k years ago in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. That's God's Truth.

You've been reading Strong's Concordance, haven't you?

 

[dad]

Take your pick - from : http://www.testingtheglobe.com/bible.html - there's too much to copy/paste. Do you interpret any of these to mean a literal firmament with windows to let in/shut out the rain, on an earth set upon foundational molten pillars?

Yes. My opinion is that 'wormhole/stargate/cosmic taps' sort of portals were opened in our time and space connecting to the region outside our 'known universe', where waters above the firmament were at the time.

Satanists would say the other way round. Same with Islam and Judaism. How do you know you have the God and they have Demons beside your opinion? In fact, how do you even know Gods and Demons are real?

God came to earth to prove it by dying for us and also fulfilling hundreds and hundreds of precise prophesies about Him coming.

Well, I don't worship, so not particularly fussed - but it is mentioned that this would be your eternal task on arriving in heaven.

Well, that is a bit like saying it is my eternal job to love my mom and dad who will be there also. Not really, it is just a facet of life there, lots of love everywhere. The folks there will always remember what Jesus did for us, and love Him t bits. Many cal that worship.

Webster says this..
: to honor or reverence as a divine being or supernatural power
2: to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion

• a celebrity worshipped by her fans

Of course He will be honored and respected. Remember also that He honors and respects us also. Like in a marriage, don't they talk about love honor and respect?

Nope. there's no mention of her opinion being considered anywhere. Biblically, her testimony is only half that of his, so his say so is all the Priest would care about. So if I suspected my wife of infidelity for whatever reason I thought, and I take her to the priest to be forced that bitter water cocktail that would make her unwell enough to cause a miscarry - and she didn't abort her pregnancy, but just got sick for a few days, then all good? Her fault for being a woman?

The issue is not man or woman, but adultery and lying to God in that ancient nation that was set up to prepare the way.

No he isn't, he's only in the Bible. Same with Moses and Noah. King Nebuchadnezzar and his failed prophet made it into history though...

Flood stories of various kinds involving a big boat and mankind being saved abound. Now Moses was a great man of Egypt that brought a great defeat and humiliation to the nation so it is no surprise they tried to erase the memory!

Here, Start with this list & point out where you think your biblical characters lived and major events occurred:

There is some debate about what leader was there at the Exodus. I could zoom in and maybe make an educated guess, but that is another thread. One clue I would look for in dating Egypt is life spans. We could look at the dropping life spans of man listed in the bible, and get approx dates! Far better than so called science/same state past based dates.

Oh, Maybe you could point out why the ENTIRE CIVILISATION of ANCIENT EGYPT doesn't ever reference your God, not even once?

They apparently latched onto other spirits whom they love honored and respected. After Babel, the folks who had rejected Him formed nations and adopted various demon gods.

Not at all. you have no evidence for your magical state past for a start, and all the measurements, observations and evidence we have (you know, ALL the support) would only correlate if there was the same state past as there is now. I know you'll fail to grasp why, you always do.

However it looks to your circular religion in the fishbowl, the bottom line is that science does not know the state of nature in the past.

Right...(?) I said that - don't you read my responses?? What does it take to make a civilisation - perhaps people already in the area? I tell you what doesn't happen though, people who speak different languages don't all wander off to different parts of the world.

No? You make it sound like you have some experience with this? I assume that Babel was at the time of the nature change, and probably one of the effects of it caused by God. That means that also about this time was massive rapid plate movements, and mountain building/uplift etc etc. The area that was then the plains where they were building the tower of Babel likely was pushed under fairly quickly, so tha is why the tower is not now a historical tourist trap I would think. (probably also why ancient temples at Karnak would now have the summer solstice blocked by hills, so they deduce it must have been a winter solstice they were oriented to)

I suspect that the way man processed info in our brains may have been somewhat affected. (thus perhaps different brain sizes became needed/adapted). This is why I think some early 'nations' resorted to scrawling picture words to communicate with others! It seems logical that peoples with the same language would tend to stick together, even if they traded and communicated with other 'nations'. It may have been that the groups of people at Babel, building that tower to the spirit realm above at the time, (the nature change also resulted in the spiritual realm being separated from this physical real to a greater degree apparently!) may have shared 'gods'. That would have been an added incentive to band together. (and perhaps help explain why different areas had different gods!).

So one could hardly wave away the idea that nations would have tended to form.

Wherever they are, will become multicultural and they all tend to speak and learn each others' languages until or unless one language becomes prominent from among them. You then also have to account for why we can trace back all the various languages as they evolve from previous languages for as long as we've had written history. At no point did they all just appear at once.

History is after the fact! There are no records for the time of Babel except the record God preserved and handed down! Men in my opinion possibly never even had written..anything...before Babel, as there was such superior communication then.

By the time man started to need to draw pictures to communicate, and later progressed to writing, Babel was long gone, and we were well into this present state.nature!

 

[Aman777]

You've been reading Strong's Concordance, haven't you?

Amen. A preacher got me a copy of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance back in the 70s. I've been a fan since. When the web came along, so did Blue Letter Bible, with the Strong's online helps. Here are the Scriptural references to my last post along with Strong's insights:

Aman777 said: ↑
Scripturally, Adam's firmament, Gen 1:6 which God called Heaven, Gen 1:8 was a solid expanse with a metallic like covering or boundary of Adam's entire Universe. Strong's...firmament רָקַע râqaʻ, raw-kah'; a primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.

This solid firmament had windows in the top of it. When the windows on high were opened, Isa 24:18 it rained for 40 days and nights Gen 7:12 and the bottom half of Adam's firmament filled with water and sank. This released the 450 ft long Ark Gen 6:15 into the Lake 11k years ago in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4 That's God's Truth.

 

[Aman777]

History is after the fact! There are no records for the time of Babel except the record God preserved and handed down! Men in my opinion possibly never even had written..anything...before Babel, as there was such superior communication then.

Amen. Writing came along later.

By the time man started to need to draw pictures to communicate, and later progressed to writing, Babel was long gone, and we were well into this present state.nature!

Amen, but what is state.nature? At the time of Peleg, the Lord transported Noah's descendants all over the world from Babel. The division was among Noah's descendants and NOT the dividing the planet from one state to another.

Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.